My Blu-Ray Movie Burning Experiences... - Page 20

MozartMan and Creator,

Would you try one more experiment to see if either of your respective workflows will produce a BDMV video in sync with the audio using this file.

1.) Rename the ts file extension to mpg and play it back with Windows Media Player or another player to confirm the source file audio is in sync with the video.

2.) Demux the ts file using Elecard Xmuxer Lite, into elementary streams mpv and ac3.

3.) Mux the elementary streams back together into a ts file once again using Elecard Xmuxer Lite.

Playback the file. Don't use the Elecard for this, use another player. Move ahead to the part where the bald headed guy with the hangover is muttering "This is NOT pretty."

Did the audio remain in-sync with the video? For me, the audio is ahead of the video by 1/2 second at this step of the workflow.

Tom,

I get audio out of sync after demuxing and then remuxing with Elecard Xmuxer Lite. I also tried to mux with Womble Mpeg Video Wizard and audio/video in-sync.

BTW, video looks great. What camera is that? Is this re-encoded video/audio, or raw captured HDV? How did you get this ts file?

Thanks so much for helping me again MozartMan!

FYI, it is raw unencoded HDV clips taken by the Canon XH-A1, cut with Videoredo, the audio stream converted to AC3 by Womble.

Which gave me a thought...I wonder if you passed that AC3 audio stream through Vegas 7 if it would mux back together in-sync with the video...hmm...

Then again, it shouldn't matter.

I tried what you asked for. To be clear, I demuxed the clip to get a mpv and mpa (mpeg 2 audio) file and then I immediately remuxed it with Xmuxer Pro. Everything is perfect, no delay. Which made me think about Xmuxer Lite being the problem. So, I downloaded the Xmuxer Lite trial and did the same test and yes I have an audio sync issue. Xmuxer Pro, at least the version I have, is perfect.

By the way, a program named delaycut, which is free, can help out when you need to sync an AC3 file with a video. It can add silence delay or cut a part of a ac3 without recompression. You can find it here

Very helpful. Thanks for trying! Would that latest file of mine successfully burn to BDMV and play with AC3 5.1 384 kbps sound? Earlier you said you had to convert the audio stream to 192 kbps 2.0 but MozartMan has reported success with AC3 5.1.

I'm been through so many steps I actually can't retrace them all. It occurs to me the choppy play could be something I'm doing. The latest file of mine (which you have) seems to play smoothly I think, even after the TSRemux, or at least the BDMV 0001.m2ts file which VideoLan VLC player does manage to play well but without sound. The choppy play may have been when I used TSRemux to create a regular TS file, one that I could playback with sound in Windows Media Player 10. I haven't got a super great PC, it's a HP laptop with T2250 1.73GHz DuoCore, 7200rpm hard drive and Nvidia 7600. It manages okay but is outclassed. My point about that, is that I'm used to not always having non-choppy stutter free video, but when it gets burned to HD DVD, it's utterly smooth every time. With BDMV I don't know as yet what result I've got because I don't have the burner. In fact I'll probably have the burner before I even have the Blu-ray player itself, because my focus right now is on authoring, not movie watching. Same for HD DVD. I have that workflow down pat, but will the format survive, who knows.

Do you or MozartMan have a BD burner recommendation? I only see one option for an external, the LaCie, expensive and uncertain. I'm probably better off getting an internal and finding a PC case to put it in, that leaves the Sony, Panasonic, LG and Phillips/BenQ. The Sony I know uses an IDE interface, the others I think may have SATA. It's only important in the sense that some of the new desktop PCs from HP or Compaq don't even have the IDE interface anymore. The Sony however is the only unit I've seen at retail, the others are all solid brands but I know that Phillips/BenQ has been regarded as top tier at CD Freaks. Anyway, other things factor in, what it ships with, if anything, and whether and what media it supports. Do you have strong preferences for any?

Well, the problem I had before with the AC3 5.1 sound was that I was unable to mux in Xmuxer Pro without Xmuxer Pro freezing in the middle of the job. I'm sure if it would mux it would work perfectly. I can try to do it tonight.

I suppose that you are burning HD-DVDs on DVD-R discs? Frankly, I don't see the point of HD-DVD for burning your own movies on a PC because you have less space than on Blu-Ray discs. This is where the space factor all comes in. I would not even bother to make HD-DVDR discs and HD-DVD burners if I were them. Besides, Blu-Ray is looking way better than HD-DVD so far.

As for BD recommendations, well I don't know much about them. I own the Sony BWU100A because it was so cheap at my Future Shop here. I got it for 500$CAN plus taxes. It is rather cheap for a Blu-Ray burner. At the same time when I bought it, I saw the drive and the other brands at about 750 to 850$US on the net. The Sony works like a charm so far but I only use it when I burn BD-R or BD-RE. I use my other burner for DVDs. You can get full 2.0x sustained burning speed ont he Sony but you need to use ImgBurn to burn the file since it's the only application I saw so far that can turn off the drive's internal verification system that slows down the process to 1.0x speed which is way too long. The veirifcation process I am talking about is not the VERIFY software option, it is something else that the drive uses internally (hardware) and seems to be forced when using most burning software with no option to turn it off (except in ImgBurn).

I also had the choice of the LG 4x burner when I got my Sony but I read that the LG did not support dual layer Blu-Ray discs for writing. If that is true, I would not touch that drive because you need that support for the future. I have one dual layer disc myself but I am still wondering what I will put on it because frankly it is so costy that I want to use it when it's really worth it. Still, the disc cost will go down so get a dual layer capable writer.

As for the comparison of the software that comes with the burners, the Sony one doesn't have anything super with it if I remember correctly. Maybe Power2Go from Cyberlink and a couple other Cyberlink apps. I don't know what programs comes with the other drives but I know there is a bundle somewhere on the net with a Blu-Ray burner that comes with DVDIt Pro HD... I think it is the Pioneer burner. That would be good as DVDIt Pro HD is worth it imho. The bundle was still near 1000$US I think though but I think I saw it more near the 500$-700$US lately but I may be mistaking.

I got a reply from doom9's forums for my H264 to m2ts problem about my PS3 reverting to 480p on playback.

It seems like since I have an NTSC PS3 and the clip that I use is 25fps (PAL), that it is the normal behavior of the NTSC PS3 Blu-Ray software player to go down to 480p60.

Supposedly, the XMB on the PS3 (dashboard) can play 25fps without the resolution change though as the software is identical in both NTSC and PAL PS3 for that part.

I already have 25fps DVD MPEG-2 clips that plays fine on my PS3 so I only need to test it with that HD clip of mine to see if it's true that it will play full-res in the dash without re-encode.

In any case, it seems I will never be able to get those european broadcast clips to work on my PS3 without transcoding them to 60 fps which will probably end up looking pretty bad from what I know of PAL to NTSC conversions. Then again I did manage to do that with Nero Vision 4 and the motion was still smooth at first glance... I still need to confirm that Nero converted the clip to 60 fps when it worked though... maybe it did something else.

Does anyone have a good method for converting MKV's to a Blu-ray disc. Doesnt matter what programs you use, I'm just interested to hear from anyone who has a good track record with doing this. It looks like TSRemux will be gearing up for this, but yeah.

Cheers!
Ben

I'm waiting on TSRemux to support h.264 AVC MKV-to-Blu-ray ... it already does MPEG2 MKV-to-Blu-ray as far as I know.

Does anyone know if TSRemux can do h.264 TS-to-Blu-ray for 1440x1080 & 1280x1080 resolutions?

I did some more tests yesterday night with H264 TS to blu-ray using TSRemux (no re-encode) and it already supports it correctly from what I can see BUT you will need to have a 29.97 (60i) framerate if you plan on using it on an NTSC PS3... The reason for this is that the PS3's Blu-Ray software player will play the clip in 480p (low res) if you do not have a 23.976 or 29.97 clip.

I changed the header of my 25 FPS H264 TS source to 23.976 or 29.97 before passing it in TSRemux using h264info. The result was that the clip finally played in high res but the PS3 was not deinterlacing anymore so it wasn't pretty in 1080i output mode.

The best method so far is to use Nero Vision 4. It will re-encode the stream and all works fine BUT it seems that he leaves the framerate to 25FPS and it still plays to full res on my PS3. Something is weird in all this. Maybe the creator of TSRemux can do a patch for NTSC machines when using a 25 fps h264 source since the 25 fps Nero Vision 4 clip played perfectly on my PS3 in BDMV?

Thanks for posting your test results. My MKVs are 720p h.264 files, which TSRemux did process, but the m2ts stream it created didn't work. It also took a long time for the MKV file to load in TSRemux.

I had success to make DVDIt Pro HD recognize some MPEG-2 TS (1080i) has Blu-Ray compliant!!! I'm pretty happy about that as this means I don't need TSRemux for those streams and it will make things way more easier since I can add chapters, subtitles, etc. with no re-encode. I don't know what will happen to the sound though... hope it will be no re-encode too, else well too bad for the sound eheh.

I got it to work with a new TS I got. As for my first TS test, I got a new version of the TS and it is now compliant. What I saw as the difference is that one was saying 1920x1080 and 1440x1080 (display res) in videoredo and the new one says 1920x1080 for the two boxes, so that must have been the problem with the first one although I find that hard to believe.

Another TS I already had didn't work before but I changed the 65MBps bugged value for the bitrate to 20Mbps with videoredo and now it's compliant. I think I tried that before and it didn't work? I did upgrade to the latest videoredo version though in the last days. I still had an old version installed before. Maybe that's it.

Audio can be a problem if the source starts as 2.0 and changes to 5.1 after a few frames of audio. DVDit Pro HD will use the channel arrangement of the first frame. It is possible to fake out the first frame to look like 5.1 to get around this (though there is no tool for it commonly available, you can do it with a hex editor).


TS streams from Movie Central in Canada have this characteristic and sometimes it causes compatibility issues. I have found that removing the display extension that has the 1440 information in it (I believe Restream.exe can do this) allows the TS to be used.

65Mbps headers are a problem also of course

Have fun! Glad you made progress.

Once a TS is demuxed, Restream.exe is an excellent tool for tweaking the headers in an MPEG2 video elemental stream.

Hey Phloyd, thanks for remembering me

I'll check out and try to find Restream.exe. I have 300 programs right now with all the tests that I did but I don't have Restream.exe.

Yes, I do have some that starts in 2.0 and then gos to 5.1. This was not the problem with my test stream so far though as I didn't use those types yet or cutted the start of the stream to remove that DD2.0 section.

Hi all,

I have a question regarding max file size for blu-ray. Is it correct that i cant go above 22000mb in nero when i want to make an blu-ray image?

I think that's correct.

The disc capacity is different between BD-RE and BD-R.

I don't have the exact numbers handy, but it can be annoying. BD-R can handle the full '25GB' but BD-RE is a little short. I think that Nero shows that difference with a short yellow bar at the bottom if you exceed BD-RE but not BD-R (it has been a while I burned with Nero).

Dear Gurus,

I have the Sony HC3 hidef camcorder, and would like to be able to make hidef DVD playable on the BD player (similar to the HD-DVD reauthoring). Have any one been able to do the same thing for BD ?

BD burner & recordable media is still expensive at this time. What I understand is (forgive my poor knowledge in this subject):
1. content in HC3 can be captured and encode in MPEG2, MPEG4 etc. BD (as well as HD-DVD) can decode MPEG2/4
2. as long as the content is not larger than 4.7G, we should be able to write to a single layer DVD, and play back on the BD player.

If some one knows how to do this, please share the knowledge & the software used. Thanks - Grazie & Gracias...

I have the same HD camcorder. If your BD player is the PS3, all you have to do is convert from TS to MPG and burn to a single- or double-layer DVD+/-R. Even MPGs larger than 4GB work. You don't get any menus, but the PS3 plays the MPGs just fine. Instead of a single, large MPG, I create segments, then just use the PS3's XMB to play whichever MPG segment I want.

If your BD player is NOT the PS3 or you want a true BDMV on a DVD+/-R, then see my next post as I'm looking to do the same thing...

Two sets of questions for creator441, or anyone who can help...

Are you saying the 1920x1080 works, but not 1440x1080 (most HDV camcorders) w/DVDIt Pro HD? In the previous page, you outlined steps in this post to create a BDMV w/MPEG2 HDV footage...does this still work w/the latest v0.0.18 TSRemux? I don't need menus, so I'm wondering if TSRemux will work if I have 1920x1080 or 1440x1080 MPEG2 files w/DD5.1.

I also have H.264 MPEG4 captures off my Nextcom-modded Dish receiver. They are 1440x1080 MTV-HD TS files. When I used TSRemux to create a Blu-ray structure and burned to DVD-R, my PS3 recognized the disc as AVCHD and played it w/perfect DD5.1, but no picture . Would you know if this may be because of the H.264 profile or does the PS3 not like H.264 w/1440x1080 resolution?

Thanks Brajesh,

I don't have the BD player yet, although I am leaning toward the sony S300. Will the S300 works with regular DVD-R & HC3 ? I can wait for S500 if it makes any differences. I can get PS3 if it is the preferred platform.

Would you be able to compile a step-by-step how to burn HC3 to regular DVD for BD player, including the software and hardware requirements (the PC & speed & window XP with service pack #, and the BD player that can play this DVD-R)

Thanks a million.

I'm not an expert on this, so that's why I asked a few questions one post up .

I'm a lot more familiar w/HD DVD authoring on DVD media (see my signature for an excellent guide by another AVS member), which IMHO is more stable & predictable. No 5.1 audio issues, the stuttering is now fixed, plus w/Ulead MovieFactory 6+ the workflow is streamlined & you get full motion menus if you want.

Hello, sorry for the long time to reply.

Yes, do nto worry the HDV footage from an HDV camera will work superbly with my mehtod described as before. For the other footage I had, it seemed to be a mised bag. Using VideoRedo, it was saying 1920x1080 for one resolution and 1440x1080 for DisplayRes. I don't remember the name of the first resolution but it is the two boxes in VdeoRedo when you do CTRL-L. I think that for HDV, both boxes are 1440x1080 and using that with TSRemux on a BDMV makes all work fine. I think DvdItPro HD does not accept the HDV file directly though and says it is not compliant but I don't remember for sure on that part. If I said it didn't work in my previous post then it doesn't but my memory can be short sometimes But yes, the method with TSRemux and Xmuxer Pro works fine for BDMV.

As for the 1440x1080 TS captures, I have no idea. I have had problems (and still do) with H264 to BDMV but it all depends ont he source. If you use a HD-DVD or Blu-Ray video file as source it works fine but my source was a PAL 1920x1080 H264 with DD Ac3 audio and the PS3 reverts to 480p when playback because I have an NTSC PS3. What is the framerate of your MTV-HD captures and do you have a PAL or NTSC PS3? I changed the framerate to 23.976 with h264info and it played full res but no deinterlacing anymore so it looked bad. If your source matches your PS3 (NTSC-NTSC or PAL-PAL), I don't see why it wouldn't work on the PS3. Also, you are right in worrying about the profile or the 1440x1080 with H264. I have no idea if one or both of those are the problems. Try changing the profile to 4.1 with h264info (on the elementary h264 file) and I think you can also change the resolution with h264info so you can try to put 1920x1080 (even if it's not true) and check what happens. That would be what I'd try.

Thanks for the tips on H.264 caps. Guess I need to experiment some more. With Dish (and DirecTV) switching so many of their HD channels to H.264, we need a reliable solution soon. MPEG2 is so much easier to deal with than H.264.

the Sony 300 does not support BD-R/RE. that may be updatable by firmware in the future, but at the moment, that is not a good choice if you want to do BDMV on BD-R

Excuse my ignorance but you are in the US right? So the US HD stations are starting to go H264 now like in Europe? That's a good thing actually but I wonder why it's not 1920x1080. Maybe the other channels will be... they actually should be 1920x1080... that's weird. In Europe the resolution is fine for BDMV but the PAL (25fps) is bad. I hope the US stations use 1920x1080 because with the NTSC feeds I'm pretty sure using TSRemux will make the BDMV play perfectly on a NTSC PS3.

Scott,

Is there any plans to add H264 and VC1 support in DVDIt Pro HD so that you can import those in elementary stream format and have no recompression done to them?

I didn't try H264 yet but I think it's only supported in a mp4 container and will probably recompress always and VC1 is not supported at all.

Sony already released firmware upgrade for S300 to support BDMV on BD-R/RE.

Fry's have Panasonic BDRs for $8, 50 GB for $25.

Have fun!