AVS › AVS Forum › Blu-ray & HD DVD › Blu-ray Software › My Blu-Ray Movie Burning Experiences...
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

My Blu-Ray Movie Burning Experiences... - Page 21

post #601 of 2482
9/4/07 at 11:05pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brajesh View Post

I'm not an expert on this, so that's why I asked a few questions one post up .

I'm a lot more familiar w/HD DVD authoring on DVD media (see my signature for an excellent guide by another AVS member), which IMHO is more stable & predictable. No 5.1 audio issues, the stuttering is now fixed, plus w/Ulead MovieFactory 6+ the workflow is streamlined & you get full motion menus if you want.

The workflow for BDMV with menus is to author with DVDit, but since it re-encodes most everything, the kludge is to replace the video files it creates with ones compiled by TSRemux. But to get TSRemux working is a kludge unto itself, first have to demux into audio+video elementary streams, and then remux it with XMuxer Pro just to get a TS that TSRemux can author into Blu-Ray, and hope that you have sound, hope that 1440x1080 plays without stutter. Good grief, and good luck.

You could skip the DVDit step and just let TSRemux author the BDMV without menus, but if you would settle for only that why bother, just author to BDAV with MF6+.

At some level, you can get home authored BD video to play. At best, HDV plays back on the PS3 without any special effort. At worst, you don't get playback at all on some Blu-ray players no matter what you do. To me, Blu-ray as a distribution format is a broken mess. Creator441 and Mozartman have been instrumentally helpful, but unless you just want to prove that you can get something to play, I don't see the point in spending the money on BD burners, media and software because there is zero assurance of playback compatibility across the board. Understand, there is a big difference in achieving personal playback (most likely on your PS3), and being able to hand out a BD disk to your friends and family and say, "Here, play this."

Most people who own a Blu-Ray or HD DVD player are probably thrilled if they are able to achieve HD playback of their personal HDV video. But honestly, if that's all I was trying to achieve, I had that covered 3 years ago with the I-O Data AVeL Linkplayer II, or HTPC, or streaming HD media servers from Buffalo, JVC and others.

The realization is that HD DVD and Blu-Ray are mere tools for personal playback of HD files. My judgment as a distribution format is that HD DVD is demonstrably superior except for storage capacity. So that's the trade off. Storage capacity versus ease and universal compatibility.

I've concluded at this point in time, for commercial success your project has to succeed on DVD-ROM. Blu-Ray and HD DVD are irrelevant. The only reason to author for HD DVD or Blu-Ray is personal playback enjoyment. Get a Sony PS3 or Toshiba HD DVD player.

Just my $0.02
Reply
Reply

AVS Top Picks

post #602 of 2482
9/5/07 at 5:33am
Tom, well said. With my home movies in HDV, I create a HD DVD version for myself & a standard DVD version for my family. I always save the raw MPEG2 captures because who knows if either HD DVD or BD will survive.
Reply
Reply
post #603 of 2482
9/5/07 at 5:36am
Quote:
Originally Posted by creator441 View Post

Excuse my ignorance but you are in the US right? So the US HD stations are starting to go H264 now like in Europe? That's a good thing actually but I wonder why it's not 1920x1080. Maybe the other channels will be... they actually should be 1920x1080... that's weird. In Europe the resolution is fine for BDMV but the PAL (25fps) is bad. I hope the US stations use 1920x1080 because with the NTSC feeds I'm pretty sure using TSRemux will make the BDMV play perfectly on a NTSC PS3.

Yes, I'm in the U.S. Satellite providers like Dish & DirecTV here are switching many of their HD channels to H.264, but most are 1440x1080 or even 1280x1080. Bitrates are low as well. All the new channels being added are H.264, but it's quantity over quality at this point.
Reply
Reply
post #604 of 2482
9/5/07 at 6:46am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Roper View Post

I've concluded at this point in time, for commercial success your project has to succeed on DVD-ROM. Blu-Ray and HD DVD are irrelevant. The only reason to author for HD DVD or Blu-Ray is personal playback enjoyment. Get a Sony PS3 or Toshiba HD DVD player.

Just my $0.02

Well, you did more tests than me on the compatibility issues. You are right, I am doing it for personal playability and for my friends with PS3s basically. I know PS3 will ensure that blu-ray will always be there (the games are on Blu-Ray discs) so I am not afraid of players disappearing. HD-DVD can easily die though (only Toshiba players and 360 add-on that would get discontinued if HD-DVD dies) so keep that in mind.

Another point to take into account imho is that little people have HD-DVD or Blu-Ray players anyway. Only DVD is widespread for now so making HD-DVD or Blu-Ray discs right now for giving to your family is pointless.

I do it for my personal viewing or inviting people to my place to view my footage. I also prefer Blu-Ray for quality of media, more storage space and better player. My Toshiba HD-DVD skips, my PS3 never gave even a hint of a problem while playing back Blu-Ray movies. The hardware is bad right now on HD-DVD side, they need to correct all the freeze and bugs. Maybe the stand-alone Blu-Ray players are not better but I know the PS3 is perfect.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brajesh View Post

Yes, I'm in the U.S. Satellite providers like Dish & DirecTV here are switching many of their HD channels to H.264, but most are 1440x1080 or even 1280x1080. Bitrates are low as well. All the new channels being added are H.264, but it's quantity over quality at this point.

Well, that's kinda bad. At that resolution it was almost better to have the 1920x1080 MPEG-2 streams. The problem with cable is that they will lower the bitrate or res or both because they need to fit so much HD channels on the cable. Thank god for HD-DVD and Blu-Ray.
Reply
Reply
post #605 of 2482
9/6/07 at 4:43pm
I have two simple questions that I don't think have been addressed by the thread, but it's 11 pgs. long and I'm hoping for a quickie answer.

1.) Has anyone used the latest version of Toast for Mac OSX that burns Blu-rays?
2.) Is there a utility that converts .TY files from Tivo to an HD format that can be placed on a Blu-ray disc using Nero, Toast or other Blu-ray authoring utlities?

I would LOVE to get some of the recorded content I've archived to my PC onto Blu-ray discs.

Thanks in advance.
Reply
Reply
post #606 of 2482
9/6/07 at 4:58pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by kheiden View Post

2.) Is there a utility that converts .TY files from Tivo to an HD format that can be placed on a Blu-ray disc using Nero, Toast or other Blu-ray authoring utlities?

I would LOVE to get some of the recorded content I've archived to my PC onto Blu-ray discs.

Thanks in advance.

I use TSRemax to convert .TS files to BDMV structure and burn to BD-RE with Nero. You may try to convert your .TY file to .TS first.

Try this thread:

Transport Stream De/Re-muxer with blu-ray/Sat/OTA and now MPG/VOB/EVOB stream support:

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=125447
Reply
Reply
post #607 of 2482
9/6/07 at 7:05pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by kheiden View Post

I have two simple questions that I don't think have been addressed by the thread, but it's 11 pgs. long and I'm hoping for a quickie answer.

1.) Has anyone used the latest version of Toast for Mac OSX that burns Blu-rays?
2.) Is there a utility that converts .TY files from Tivo to an HD format that can be placed on a Blu-ray disc using Nero, Toast or other Blu-ray authoring utlities?

I would LOVE to get some of the recorded content I've archived to my PC onto Blu-ray discs.

Thanks in advance.

If it's from a D* HDTivo, most likely it will not work. The resolution on those is 1280x1080 and I don't think that's a "legal" resolution for BluRay. Someone else may know, but I can't get any of my stuff to play on the ps3 because of the res...
Dug
Reply
Reply
post #608 of 2482
9/6/07 at 9:14pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Roper View Post

The workflow for BDMV with menus is to author with DVDit, but since it re-encodes most everything, the kludge is to replace the video files it creates with ones compiled by TSRemux. But to get TSRemux working is a kludge unto itself, first have to demux into audio+video elementary streams, and then remux it with XMuxer Pro just to get a TS that TSRemux can author into Blu-Ray, and hope that you have sound, hope that 1440x1080 plays without stutter. Good grief, and good luck.

You could skip the DVDit step and just let TSRemux author the BDMV without menus, but if you would settle for only that why bother, just author to BDAV with MF6+.

At some level, you can get home authored BD video to play. At best, HDV plays back on the PS3 without any special effort. At worst, you don't get playback at all on some Blu-ray players no matter what you do. To me, Blu-ray as a distribution format is a broken mess. Creator441 and Mozartman have been instrumentally helpful, but unless you just want to prove that you can get something to play, I don't see the point in spending the money on BD burners, media and software because there is zero assurance of playback compatibility across the board. Understand, there is a big difference in achieving personal playback (most likely on your PS3), and being able to hand out a BD disk to your friends and family and say, "Here, play this."

Most people who own a Blu-Ray or HD DVD player are probably thrilled if they are able to achieve HD playback of their personal HDV video. But honestly, if that's all I was trying to achieve, I had that covered 3 years ago with the I-O Data AVeL Linkplayer II, or HTPC, or streaming HD media servers from Buffalo, JVC and others.

The realization is that HD DVD and Blu-Ray are mere tools for personal playback of HD files. My judgment as a distribution format is that HD DVD is demonstrably superior except for storage capacity. So that's the trade off. Storage capacity versus ease and universal compatibility.

I've concluded at this point in time, for commercial success your project has to succeed on DVD-ROM. Blu-Ray and HD DVD are irrelevant. The only reason to author for HD DVD or Blu-Ray is personal playback enjoyment. Get a Sony PS3 or Toshiba HD DVD player.

Just my $0.02

I'd been sending DV->DVD regularly to parents and in-laws. They want to see their grandchildren and they live too far away to visit regularly. This is an old family tradition that I intend to keep for as long as I can do it. Hopefully my children will do the same too when they have their own families.

I was about to upgrade parents to a HD-A1 earlier (but couldn't do it because they're not tech savvy enough to do firmware upgrades via linux, and the DVD-R DL didn't work very well either).

I switched to BD-RE and everything other than difficulty in creating menus is much easier.

My expectation is that I will probably buy a PS3 or S300 or some easy to use player and I can start sending them BD-Rs made from my HDV or AVCHD instead of having to shrink the HDV to DVD resolutions.
Reply
Reply
post #609 of 2482
9/7/07 at 6:46am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Bester View Post

If it's from a D* HDTivo, most likely it will not work. The resolution on those is 1280x1080 and I don't think that's a "legal" resolution for BluRay. Someone else may know, but I can't get any of my stuff to play on the ps3 because of the res...
Dug

It may depend on the type of authoring, but in BDMV authoring, I don't think anything else than HDV 1440x1080 or full 1920x1080p will work. OF course 720p will work too. 1280x1080 will probably not be BDMV compliant. Maybe it is AVCHD compliant though?
Reply
Reply
post #610 of 2482
9/7/07 at 3:44pm
Are you saying my HD DirecTivo isn't recording full 1080i or 720p when iit records? That's news to me, and disappointing news at that. How have I missed that little detail when purchasing two HR10-250s? I've seen nothing about them being incapable of full HD broadcast resolutions.
Reply
Reply
post #611 of 2482
9/7/07 at 4:32pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by kheiden View Post

Are you saying my HD DirecTivo isn't recording full 1080i or 720p when iit records? That's news to me, and disappointing news at that. How have I missed that little detail when purchasing two HR10-250s? I've seen nothing about them being incapable of full HD broadcast resolutions.

kheiden,

It's called HD Lite: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_Lite
Reply
Reply
post #612 of 2482
9/7/07 at 6:39pm
That was interesting reading. I knew about higher compression rates, but I'd never heard about resolution changes. What that article doesn't clarify is:

a.) How many channels does DirecTV do this on today if at all?
b.) Have they been found guilty or paid any fines as a result of this?
c.) Have they done anyrthing to address customer concerns in this area?
d.) What about 720p? It isn't mentioned at all in this Wikipedia thing.
e.) Are any channels at all delivered at true 1080i or 20p?

My units have the options of changing output resolution, but they dont tell me what the native resolution is. I'll dump DirecTV in a heartbeat if they still do this on all HD channels. They've already forced me to chose between them and Tivo and I'm mad as hell about that. Trouble is I've no idea if Verizon FIOS, which I've been thinking about anyway, does the same thing. Un-frackin'-believable. I've been with DirecTV for over 13 years.
Reply
Reply
post #613 of 2482
9/7/07 at 8:20pm
One more request. Those of you who author BDMVs, can you see if this disk will play on your machine? (I will compile a list of players that can play such content).

http://www10.sendthisfile.com/d.jsp?...haHR4ilquAq6B0

Note it is an ISO image of the elephant dreams VC-1 encode from microsoft. It peaks at 50Mbps, it's a VC-1 torture test, technically it is not within BD specs, but a PS3 and panasonic player plays it.

You must use an 8X DVD-R, 4X might stutter in places, and 2.4X RW definitely fails. You need an iso burner. The file is almost 1GB, so it could take a while.
Reply
Reply
post #614 of 2482
9/8/07 at 10:19am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Neo1965 View Post

One more request. Those of you who author BDMVs, can you see if this disk will play on your machine? (I will compile a list of players that can play such content).

http://www10.sendthisfile.com/d.jsp?...haHR4ilquAq6B0

Note it is an ISO image of the elephant dreams VC-1 encode from microsoft. It peaks at 50Mbps, it's a VC-1 torture test, technically it is not within BD specs, but a PS3 and panasonic player plays it.

You must use an 8X DVD-R, 4X might stutter in places, and 2.4X RW definitely fails. You need an iso burner. The file is almost 1GB, so it could take a while.

I'll pass ont he test because I only have a PS3 and you seem to have clarify that the ps3 plays it fine and I only have 4x DVD-R and 2.4x DVD+R DL discs here besides my BD-RE.
Reply
Reply
post #615 of 2482
9/8/07 at 11:22am
I have success with the PS3.

The Panasonic does not have audio on the analog outs but it plays just fine.
Reply
Reply
post #616 of 2482
9/8/07 at 2:32pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phloyd View Post

I have success with the PS3.

The Panasonic does not have audio on the analog outs but it plays just fine.

Thanks. My Panasonic is now a video signal gen in the office. I'll look at it next week. Does optical/digital audio work for you?
Reply
Reply
post #617 of 2482
9/12/07 at 3:51am
Quote:
Originally Posted by kheiden View Post

That was interesting reading. I knew about higher compression rates, but I'd never heard about resolution changes. What that article doesn't clarify is:

a.) How many channels does DirecTV do this on today if at all?

All channels, except Discovery. The MPEG-4 locals are downconverted to 1440x1080, but you can't get those with the HR10 anyway.

Quote:
Originally Posted by kheiden View Post

b.) Have they been found guilty or paid any fines as a result of this?

There no law against downconverting and degrading HDTV. That said, they were sued for making certain claims.

Quote:
Originally Posted by kheiden View Post

d.) What about 720p? It isn't mentioned at all in this Wikipedia thing.

DirecTV re-compresses 720p streams, but they retain full 1280x720 resolution. For example, DirecTV takes ESPN's 18Mbps 720p stream and recompresses it to [as little as] 12-13Mbps.

Quote:
Originally Posted by kheiden View Post

e.) Are any channels at all delivered at true 1080i

Just Discovery, but at a substantially lower bitrate with vertical filtering. The source Discovery Theater HD feed is 19Mbps, but it is less than 12Mbps on DirecTV.

Quote:
Originally Posted by kheiden View Post

Trouble is I've no idea if Verizon FIOS, which I've been thinking about anyway, does the same thing.

They don't. All FiOS HD channels are at full resoluton and full bitrate of the source.

If you have any other questions about HDTV Lite, I suggest you ask them in the HDTV Hardware and/or HDTV Programming forums. It doesn't really belong here, besides the obvious fact that it makes those recordings incompatible with Blu-ray players.
Reply
Reply
post #618 of 2482
9/12/07 at 9:21am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Neo1965 View Post

Thanks. My Panasonic is now a video signal gen in the office. I'll look at it next week. Does optical/digital audio work for you?

I would need to make some changes to my config to test that...
Reply
Reply
post #619 of 2482
9/13/07 at 8:33pm
I finally got my BDRE50 (Panasonic) and can confirm that it works in the PS3 and Panasonic players.

Reply
Reply
post #620 of 2482
9/13/07 at 9:06pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by creator441 View Post

Excuse my ignorance but you are in the US right? So the US HD stations are starting to go H264 now like in Europe? That's a good thing actually but I wonder why it's not 1920x1080. Maybe the other channels will be... they actually should be 1920x1080... that's weird. In Europe the resolution is fine for BDMV but the PAL (25fps) is bad. I hope the US stations use 1920x1080 because with the NTSC feeds I'm pretty sure using TSRemux will make the BDMV play perfectly on a NTSC PS3.

It depends on the provider. On cable channels are 1920x1080i Mpeg2. Dish Network uses h.264 for pretty much all of their HD channels and are 1440x1080i. Directv h.264 channels are also 1440x1080i. However this is not only here. BBC HD is 1440x1080i and so is Artsworld on SKY HD and I believe another channel. It will only get worse, as they will start to run out of bandwith.
Reply
Reply
post #621 of 2482
9/14/07 at 7:30am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phloyd View Post

I finally got my BDRE50 (Panasonic) and can confirm that it works in the PS3 and Panasonic players.


Superb! I'll probably pick one up soon. What burner do you have? The Sony BWU-100A like mine?

Thanks for the explanation CKNA.
Reply
Reply
post #622 of 2482
9/14/07 at 7:51am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Neo1965 View Post

My expectation is that I will probably buy a PS3 or S300 or some easy to use player and I can start sending them BD-Rs made from my HDV or AVCHD instead of having to shrink the HDV to DVD resolutions.

Until a firmware comes out enabling BD-R/E playback on the S300 (which hasn't been promised) you're better off with a PS3.

I edited a concert with an HVR-V1U and an HDR-FX7 and exported from Premiere Pro CS3 to Encore CS3 with a HQ MPEG-2 preset (30mbps CBR) and it worked on the PS3, and the BDP-S1 (w/ firmware version 2.10). It would not play on the BDP-S300.

I will be trying it tonight on other blu-ray players, like the Samsung BDP-1200 and maybe a Pioneer and Panasonic.
Reply
Reply
post #623 of 2482
9/14/07 at 9:35am
Quote:
Originally Posted by creator441 View Post

Superb! I'll probably pick one up soon. What burner do you have? The Sony BWU-100A like mine?

Thanks for the explanation CKNA.

Yes, I have a Sony burner. I used Nero to create the image and ImgBurn to write and verify.

For some weird reason, Nero fails verification on discs that I verified manually... I guess that PC has some personality issues...
Reply
Reply
post #624 of 2482
9/14/07 at 11:55am
I have a Sony BDP-S1 with latest fw 2.1 I have tried taking the video files my JVC GZ-HD7 camcorder makes converted from TOD files to mpg with 2.0 or DB5.1 audio streams at 1920x1080i the files play fine in windows vista and play fine with powerdvd
i take mpg file and use tsremux to make a BDMV structure and then burn the BDMV and other folder tsremux makes to a BD-RE using nero 7 and UDF 2.5 i have also tried using 2.6 the discs play fine on pc with powerdvd and also play on the sony BDP-S1 but i get no audio on sony set top, i have tried making mpg/ac3 mpg/db2.0 mpg/db5.1 then making BDMV structure but video always plays but no audio on sony BDP-S1, the discs again play 100% on pc using powerdvd both video and audio are fine. any ideas would be great Im not rich so dvdit or other $500.00 packages are no help i do own pinnacle studio plus 11.1, and also own ulead movie factory plus 6 i can make a DVD AVCHD using pinnacle and it will play 100% on sony set top and if copy the BDMV off dvd and burn it to a BD-RE using nero and udf 2.5 will play 100% but if copy the .m2ts file off the dvd and use tsremux to make new BDMV structure then burn it to a BD-RE then the sony set top only plays the video stream not audio. I am at my last legs on this BD-RE BDMV creation.

PS
for the record I have also taken the video file from the camera imported it to ulead movie factory plus 6 uses the export to make a HD1920 m2t and then tried tsremux as before it works 100% on pc off the BD-RE but the sony BDP-S1 only plays the video stream.
Reply
Reply
post #625 of 2482
9/14/07 at 12:37pm
I believe that TSRemux does not tag the AC3 properly (may depend on what version).

If you simply make a TS into an M2TS without changing the audio descriptor you will not get any sound on a set top player.
Reply
Reply
post #626 of 2482
9/14/07 at 1:34pm
ok im game how do i change audio descriptor.
Reply
Reply
post #627 of 2482
9/14/07 at 2:59pm
If you use a proper authoring tool it will be correct.

Sadly changing it in the stream is not trivial (which is probably why it is not done by TSRemux - though later versions might - just guessing).
Reply
Reply
post #628 of 2482
9/14/07 at 3:39pm
Phloyd

thanks a lot im sure your right, i was on corel website they own ulead and they have press release about an update to ulead movie factory 6 plus that will add BDMV authoring, they said early Sept. but no sign of it yet. they did say BDMV update would be $19.95
Reply
Reply
post #629 of 2482
9/14/07 at 4:01pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by kenwebb View Post

...i was on corel website they own ulead and they have press release about an update to ulead movie factory 6 plus that will add BDMV authoring, they said early Sept. but no sign of it yet. they did say BDMV update would be $19.95

kenwebb,

Let us know when you get an update with BDMV authoring. I might buy it.
Reply
Reply
post #630 of 2482
9/14/07 at 5:51pm
id buy dvdit pro but its just to pricy, I dont need BDMV authorning that bad.
Reply
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Blu-ray Software

AVS Top Picks

AVS › AVS Forum › Blu-ray & HD DVD › Blu-ray Software › My Blu-Ray Movie Burning Experiences...