My Blu-Ray Movie Burning Experiences... - Page 30

Do you have any links? doom9 is my next stop. I thought that x264 always output an H264 compliant stream. I don't understand why it doesn't, what good is an encode that can't be decoded?


I wish. We use an AVIsynth script to basically create the video from still frames, so feeding Ulead an AVIsynth script and letting it encode would be ideal. Of course, they didn't see the need for that To their credit, the Ulead software is relatively cheap (big thanks to alluringreality for buying it).


Glad I know that now. That sucks.


We will probably need it

I am talking about the HD authoring not burning here.
I am assuming most people on this board want to make HD home vidoes not the two hour HD feature films.
For the purpose of making a short 40min film with all the menus like a commercial HDDVD or BD, HDDVD authoring on a DVD9 meets all the objectives with minimal cost. There is every reason to believe that burning the same content onto the HDDVD disk would also be workable process.
The thing that bothers me is that BD authoring is now a $$$$ option. I just think it should offer the average home video enthusiast a $40 option and $4000 option, depending on how fancy he wants to go.
Right now if I want to make 40min HD home video with all the menus for a total investment of less than $50 and less than $2 a disk, BD simply does not give any choice.

Here is quote from another forum;

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/...lies=91#569854

"On the other hand, my PS3 can do the following:

1. I can play my own HD content with menus from cheap DVD+-Rs.
...."

If its true it is a big deal.
Over the last one and a half years I have seen many claims like that, only to be later disappointed to learn that others could not replicate the success.

If you don't mind can you publish the steps of this process so we all can test it.

Ulead Movie Factory 6+ with the plugin or Nero can do AVCHD which will play on most Blu-ray players from DVD. Some players like my BDP-S1 can also play BDMV from DVD. With BDMV you might not have to transcode mpeg2 video, but with the other options you'll almost certainly have to transcode. MF6+ can accept m2ts H264, but it's not an easy to create file format from our testing. The top link has an AVCHD created from MF6+ by transcoding.

We're talking about authoring HD-DVD content on to red laser DVD media. There's a sticky at the top of the HD-DVD Software section that describes how to do it. Works great...but like Brajesh, I'd like to try my hands at blu-ray burning on red laser media.


It's possible, but I've burned 50 HD-DVD movies from various transport streams (720P, 1080i, different audio, with glitches and without) and I've never had a problem playing them in either of my 2 HD-DVD players.

Chris

If the recorded shows miss some time stamps in the stream they would have lipsync or stuttery problems. But VidoeRedo has a special feature to add all the missing time codes. Over 200 hours of HD TV shows I have on red laser disks there is not a single stutter.
PS3 seems to give me most difficulty. Samsung players play red laser disks just fine.

I use MPEG2Repair to fix glitches.

I'd also be very interested in this. Has anyone described the process (and identified the software used) in authoring and burning HD content onto DVD +/- R for playback on a standalone BR player? Not looking for anything fancy, just something with simple menus like the ones in Ulead Movie Factory 6+.

Get the plug in http://www.ulead.com/dmf/plugin.htm

Here is a good guide:

Tutorial: Guide for mini-Blu-ray-Disc Authoring

http://www.hdtvtotal.com/module-page...-pid-1051.html

Thanks! I'm not too familiar with the software used in the tutorial so I'll have to study it a little bit.

Thanks for the info.
But it didn't work me.
It doesn't talk about creating a menu for BD, which I assume it can't be done with this guide.
I try to follow this guide but TsRemux.exe won't even load most of the video files. For the ones that were loaded the end product didn't play on my PS3.
Well, just another one of those heresay reportings of how BD authoring would work.

Well, I got the Ulead DVD Movie Factory 6 Plus today, the retail box. Alas, I couldn't install it on my Windows 2003 computer.

The Ulead's answer is that they don't support Windows 2003. But this is simply a matter of their installation program incorrectly determining the DirectX version installed.

I was able to extract and modify the inx script to bypass the DirectX check; but I am not sure how to make the install accept my modified script. If anybody was successful installing the DVD MovieFactory 6 Plus under Windows 2003, let me know.

What a disappointment.

MozartMan and alluringreality thank you for your advice anyway.

GodobeHD,

I am testing one .TS file that Brajesh sent me. I already see the problem with the file before even loading it into TSRemux. This is HD-Lite (1440x1080) MPEG-2, probably from Dish or DTV; cable, Comcast in my case, doesn't use HD-Lite. AC3 audio is 5.1, but sound coming only from the center speaker when I play the file with Media Player Classic or Nero ShowTime. I can say already that the problem is file itself. I ran file through MPEG2Repair, and I got text file with 900 lines of errors.

So, before you blame PS3 and Blu-ray, please test your files with available tools.

Here is some sections from the log file from MPEG2Repair:
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MPEG2Repair: F:\\Temp\\1440-2.ts


Sequence Frame 0(0-X) / Time 0:00:00 :
Error: Failed parsing PES PTS/DTS. PTS Bits 32...30
Error: Failed parsing PES PTS/DTS. DTS Bits 32...30
Error: Failed parsing PES PTS/DTS. PTS Bits 32...30
-----
Sequence Frame 17(16-B) / Time 0:00:00 :
Error: Failed parsing PES PTS Bits 32...30
Additional error(s) detected. Increase VerboseLogLevel in INI file for details.
Error: Failed parsing PES PTS/DTS. PTS Bits 32...30
Error: Failed parsing PES PTS/DTS. DTS Bits 32...30
FileInfo: Last video errors span 20 bytes at file offset 1111260
---------
Sequence Frame 48(22-B) / Time 0:00:00 :
VideoWarning: TemporalRef gap of 1021. Timestamp gap of 0.050044 sec. ending at file offset 164654
VideoWarning: Timestamp gap of 0.050044 sec. ending at file offset 244518
VideoWarning: TemporalRef gap of 3. Timestamp gap of 0.033367 sec. ending at file offset 298855
VideoWarning: TemporalRef gap of 1021. Timestamp gap of 0.033367 sec. ending at file offset 387022
VideoWarning: Unexpected TFF/RFF flag change in previous GOP.
VideoWarning: Timestamp gap of 0.033367 sec. ending at file offset 436878
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VideoWarning: Repeated picture from previous GOP.
VideoWarning: Timestamp gap of -0.050044 sec. ending at file offset 2095607
VideoWarning: Unexpected TFF/RFF flag change in previous GOP.
VideoWarning: Repeated picture from previous GOP.
VideoWarning: Timestamp gap of -0.050044 sec. ending at file offset 214090
--------------
Sequence Summary:

File Size Processed: 63.96 MB, Play Time: 00h:00m:45s
1440 x 1080, 29.97 fps (25.62 fps Telecine), 65.00 Mbps (11.13 Mbps Average).
Average Video Quality: 53.05 KB/Frame, 0.28 Bits/Pixel.
AC3 Audio: 3/2 Channels (L, C, R, SL, SR) + LFE, 48.0 kHz, 384 kbps.
Dialog Normalization: -30.0 dB, Center Mix Level: -3.0 dB, Surround Mix Level: -3.0 dB
410 of 1161 video frames found with errors.
715 of 1416 audio frames found with errors.
7792 corrupted video bytes in file.
-30.779223 seconds of video timestamp gaps.
0.000000 seconds of audio timestamp gaps.

End of Log
=====================

Mozart, after fixing the file did you author the file and play on PS3?
I have all kinds of programs, with Ulead MF and VS. I see many people reporting success but few procedures posted.
I myself was able to author a few BDMVs that played, going way back in 2006, but until the results are consistent with full motion menus, I wouldn't call it a success let alone put out a fool proof process.
Please people if you are convinced you got a winner here you need to put out a step by step guide, especially for red laser BD authoring.

After I ran that file through MPEG2Repair I tried to play that file on PC first.
Media Player Classic crashes, and Nero ShowTime doesn't play it at all.

Then I ran file through TSRemux and created just .M2TS file and then put it on USB jump drive into VIDEO folder and played it on PS3 using XMB.

PS3 plays video and audio, audio coming only from the center channel, other speakers are silent. Video is jerky, freezing sometimes.

I didn't even try to create BDMV structure with TSRemux.

Well, HD-Lite sucks.

All my TS files from cable are 1920x1080 and I can repair them if there are any problems.

This is exactly the case.


Yes. I can author my home movies in HDV format 1440x1080i from my Sony HC1 camcorder with TSRemux, or Ulead DVD MF without any problem. I just have to re-encode audio into AC3 because BD specs don't allow MPEG audio from HDV.

Would you mind posting a step-by-step description of your workflow using Ulead MF? I'm looking to do something similar (but with a Canon HV20). Which players have you been able to play the final authored DVD with no issues?

Thanks!

MozartMan, thanks for testing. If you can, please try the 1920x1080 sample I sent. That one I got from someone who already ran it through MPEG2Repair. The 1440x1080i sample I sent you was from Dish, but I had not repaired it yet. I guess HD DVD authoring is a lot more forgiving because it works on any MPEG2 TS. What's surprising is that several files that I have that show errors by MPEG2Repair play completely fine w/o any visible video or audio issues on actual playback as authored HD DVDs. Again, thanks for doing the test; I'll keep trying at my end.

Thanks for undertaking this...I'd really like to find out the results.

I know benes was saying that maybe HD-DVD is "loose" with the spec, but to be honest, I'd rather that. I'm not trying to start an argument, but I do think the HD-DVD home authoring ability is more forgiving, and it could be said the other way: the blu-ray home authoring ability is too "strict".

Again, not trying to start an argument, just want to know how to take my 50 TS files that I've made perfect HD-DVDs out of and make a blu-ray compatible disc that will play in the PS3 or other blu-ray player.

Chris

I would like to echo the above sentiments by urging some gurus here to post their consistently working procedures. Since everybody here has Ulead MF5 or 6 Plus and its fairly cheap ($50 I think), and all of us have plenty of red laser DVDs to test, why don't we have a GUIDE based on Ulead, preferably with the red laser option. Announcing success with a $5000 software is really not going to help us.


Also comments like this is not particularly helpful either.

This is so frustrating. I have yet to author a BDMV or BDAV that plays properly on my Panny BD30. I've used just about every tool and guide posted on this thread and elsewhere on the web and have had experiences nowhere near what some people are reporting. I've patched and patched and patched and all my source files are Comcast-sourced valid and errorfree TS files. Hell, I even dedicated an HP DL380 in my server room to BD authoring to make sure my hardware isn't the problem.

The only problem-free BD disc I've ever made was a BDAV with PowerProducer 3.7 on a Panny BD10, listed on the first page of this thread many, many months ago. Nothing seems to work on my Panny BD30. I've tried PowerProducer 3.7 and 4.0, Nero 7, Nero Vision 4, TSRemux .19, MovieFactory 6+, ImgBurn, VideoRedo Plus, HDPatch, and a few other things mentioned and I can't get any combination mentioned in these 31 pages to create something valid. Meanwhile my HD DVD-on-DVD discs work just dandy. Argh.

Nathan_R,

It's probably time to call Panasonic and bitch about that.

When Sony released BDP-S300 it didn't play BDMV. Later they updated firmware enabling playback of BDMV on BD-R/RE.

When I bought PS3 last February it didn't play AVCHD or MPEG-2 .M2TS files. Later Sony updated firmware in it works great now.

I take that back. The BDAV I made with PowerProducer 3.7 at the beginning of this thread also plays on my BD30.

Someone chimed in on the BD30 thread that she authored a BDMV that plays on her Panny, so it must be something I'm doing.

The only variable I haven't changed is my media. Are the Sony 25GB BD-REs crappy? Should I switch to anther brand? I'd prefer to stick with BD-RE if possible, as I'd be a champ at making $9 BD-R coasters by now.

In short to answer why not, I don't think too many people are using the Ulead software for Blu-ray. The reason is probably that you have to buy the software to try it for creating AVCHD or BDMV. On both of the Ulead programs the Blu-ray options are not part of the trial software.

If Media Factory 6+ with the plugin software http://www.ulead.com/dmf/plugin.htm needs a guide, I don't know. It works for our application and there's a manual http://www.corel.com/content/pdf/dvd...D_HDDVDAdv.pdf Videostudio 11+ will also probably work http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satelli.../1193331933308 The BDMV option seems to be rather similar to the way of creating a HD DVD with MF6+, and the bonus is that you can probably put H264 on disk. While my player will play BDMV burned with UDF 2.5, the problem is that not every player can use BDMV from DVD. For the PS3 to use menus from the Ulead software, you'll have to use AVCHD and transcode to H264.

Nero is another option. The trial version can be used to create AVCHD. The reports I've read say that it always transcodes even if you give it a compliant file. Ulead will not transcode if you give it a compliant file, but unless you're working with BDMV and mpeg2 though it might be easier to just let the program transcode.

If you want to use tsremux to create disks without menus, http://www.redkawa.com/forums/showthread.php?t=881 is probably the best information I've seen. That's still a bit above my technical level because I really don't care to try to learn what all the x264 switches are about to do 1080p/24 video. The bonus is that the information there might be able to supply compliant files for the Ulead software to use, but I haven't tried using the special build of x264 mentioned. Sony Vegas in their support forums is reported to be able to supply the Ulead software with compliant m2ts files, but using the Sony trial software I have been unable to confirm that.

Out of all the searching I've done for creating our calibration disk, the above contains the most seemingly useful information I've found. If you'd like there to be a guide, why not learn some more, find out how to do what you want to do, and write it yourself?

I tried TSRemux from the 1 min video file bellow burned it on DVD+R DL but my PS3 was unable to read it, error message "The video cannot be played (8002994)" I have already the latest PS3 firmware:

File Name: War Of The Worlds.ts
File Size: 114229176 ( 0.11 GB )
Program Duration: 00:00:59.28
File Type: TS Stream
Encoding: MPEG 2
Video stream Id: 17 (x11)
Encoding Dimensions: 1920 x 1080
Display Size: 1920 x 1080
Aspect Ratio: 16/9
Frame Rate: 29.97 FPS
Bit Rate: 18.000 Mbps
VBV_Buffer: 976 KB
Profile: Main/High
Progressive: Prog or Int
Chroma: 4:2:0
Audio Format: 5.1
Audio Stream Id: AC3: 20 (x14)
Audio Bit Rate: 384 Kbps
Audio Sampling Rate: 48000 Hz

Okay, success w/the PS3. Tried a TS from my Sony HDV camcorder at 1440x1080i that MPEG2Repair had showed zero errors for. The TSRemux-generated AVCHD structure played perfectly on my PS3 using a DVD+RW. In TSRemux, I only selected the video [unchecked audio] as I didn't want to bother converting the MPEG audio to AC3 for now.

My conclusion is pretty much what fatherom speculated...the PS3 is very strict and expects completely error-free files. Technically error-free that is, not necessarily issues you would see on actual playback. But, the PS3 is more forgiving if you simply use TSRemux to generate a M2TS file burned on a DVD for playback via the XMB. I think I'll continue to author HD DVDs and use my HD-A35 for playback. I plan on keeping my player even if HD DVD completely dies, which will likely happen. Later, when real BD is affordable, I'll use EVODemux or similar to migrate any recordings I want to BD.

I like both BD and HD DVD, but the latter definitely made homebrews on DVD media a snap. Oh well.

Brajesh,

In case you didn't know, if you have Sony HDV camcorder, you don't even need TSRemux. PS3 will play raw or edited .M2T file with MPEG-audio from any media, Memory Stick, USB jump drive, external USB hard disk drive, DVD-R/RW via XMB.

I found this dmz (creator of TSRemux) post on Doom9 forum:

So, as far as I understand, when you author to mini-HD-DVD (or 3xDVD by official term), your authoring program converts you .TS (transport stream) files into program stream files somewhere in the process. May be that's why HD DVD looks more loose or more forgiving on specs than BD.

Regarding those files that you sent me. I was testing that 1920x108_sample.ts file. MPEG2Repair crashes when I try to run it and log file shows similar errors that from the 1440x1080_sample.ts. So both files have errors and I have to think what else can be done. But generally, TS files from Dish and DTV is the main problem.

Appreciate your help MozartMan. Thanks. As with DVD, home authoring for BD will advance quickly and become easier. So I hope.