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post #901 of 2482
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Originally Posted by benes View Post

Ulead does not need a guide. It is probably the easiest to use authoring program I have ever seen for ANY format.

I agree that the Ulead software specifically doesn't necessarily need a guide, but one thing nice about the HD DVD sticky is that right there on the first post with a minimum of reading someone can see that yes there's software that's reasonably priced and can be used to create HD on DVD.
post #902 of 2482
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Originally Posted by benes View Post

GodobeHD:

Ulead does not need a guide. It is probably the easiest to use authoring program I have ever seen for ANY format. It guides you through every step. If someone can't use this program I question if they should be making discs in the first place. I don't mean to sound elitist or rude here. I'm just being honest.

If there are any *specific* issues you are having then I'm sure someone here can offer help. You are just saying that it "doesn't work". Its hard to troubleshoot that. I think the issues for most people come *before* the authoring and that is with getting the video and audio in the proper format. Its hard to write a guide for that since there are so many different sources of HD. But many folks here have been importing video from cameras and from HDTV so they can help. Most of use here are just home users figuring this out as we go.

I only used Ulead once so here is the one tip I can give you. In the options make sure you check "Do not convert compliant MPEG files". If it still ends up re-encoding your video then well we know what the problem is. Your video is not compliant. Try repairing it with MPEG2Repair and/or VideoReDo. If it still doesn't work then lets look at the details of the video and go from there.

The program only has settings for BD25 and BD50. To make a BD-9 all you have to do is keep your project under that size limit on your own. Nothing more to it. Keep in mind though that the PS3 will not play BD-9 (BD-9 = blu-ray format on a regular DVD). PS3 only supports AVCHD on a regular DVD. But I don't believe Ulead will let you put MPEG-2 in AVCHD format. Thats where TSRemux comes in.

Everyone needs to keep in mind that TSRemux is a FREE tool just created by some guy on doom9. I don't think he even intended it to be used for serious authoring to real discs. Its not perfect and it is super slow. Also keep in mind that it will NOT check video for compliancy. It will put almost anything into a AVCHD container. So if you are unsure as to whether your video is compliant or not then this is not the place to start. First lets get Ulead to accept the video, then lets bring it into TSRemux.


Also comments like this are not particularly helpful either. Especially since people have been authoring BDs for almost 2 years now. Just because its not working for YOU doesn't mean you need to vilify the whole format.

I guess I will just ask a simple question:
With Ulead, Can you create a BD disk with menu(on blue laser or red laser media) that will play on PS3s?
Yes or No?
If yes I would like to know what I am doing wrong; if no then BD authoring still has long way to go, because there is no point in authoring a BD disk if it can't play in ALL players especially PS3s.
post #903 of 2482
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Originally Posted by GodobeHD View Post

I guess I will just ask a simple question:
With Ulead, Can you create a BD disk with menu(on blue laser or red laser media) that will play on PS3s?
Yes or No?
If yes I would like to know what I am doing wrong; if no then BD authoring still has long way to go, because there is no point in authoring a BD disk if it can't play in ALL players especially PS3s.

Yes, you can.

Can you give more details what kind of problem are you having?
post #904 of 2482
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Originally Posted by benes View Post

Do you happen to have Ulead? I can offer the same advice I did to godobe. Import the video into Ulead and check to see whether it is actually compliant or not. If its not then that is the problem. TSRemux does not check for compliancy. You can use MPEG2Repair or VideoReDo to fix MPEG2 files.

I'm actually a little surprised to see so many issues with broadcast caps. I've made many discs from broadcast/cable/satellite MPEG2 with Scenarist and they work perfectly. And Scenarist is absolutely NOT forgiving of errors. It must be 110% compliant with the Blu-ray spec before Scenarist will even *look* at the video.

If you or GodobeHD want to send me a sample I'll be happy to take and look at them. And see what Scenarist makes of them too.

Thank you Benes for the help here is the same sample that I've testing with TSRemux:

http://www.megafileupload.com/en/fil...Worlds-ts.html
post #905 of 2482
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Originally Posted by benes View Post

Guys how about we start a new cleaned up thread with all of the guides and important information at the top? It does seem kind of silly to point people here when the first few pages are filled with more questions that answers. Someone can write a simple guide for Ulead and TSRemux. Including important steps like using UDF2.5. And we can use my Scenarist guide.


Anyone agree?

Sounds like a great idea - I'll start asking questions there once you start the new thread
post #906 of 2482
Here's a link from the Tivo community forums that appears to be a simple guide to creating 3xDVD and BD9 discs. The author states that the BD9 discs are playable on a limited number of players. It has instructions for both MF6+ and Nero as the authoring software with the caveat that there will be some quality loss because the MPEG2 must be re-encoded into MPEG4-AVC.

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...d.php?t=371324

Another note - I skimmed through the thread and most of the participants are backing up to 3xDVD; not very much feedback on BD9.

Since I don't have a Blu-ray player yet, would anybody here be able to test this out and give a report? It would be good to know the player(s) you've had success with and the media type (e.g. Verbatim DVD+R DL).
post #907 of 2482
I have my Blu-Ray folders authored. I tried burning a data disk with UDF2.5 onto DVD5 media. If I navigate to it, the .m2ts file inside the STREAM folder plays on the PS3, but it's not being recognized as a compliant BDMV disk with chapters, menus etc.

What needs to happen?
post #908 of 2482
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Originally Posted by Tom Roper View Post

I have my Blu-Ray folders authored. I tried burning a data disk with UDF2.5 onto DVD5 media. If I navigate to it, the .m2ts file inside the STREAM folder plays on the PS3, but it's not being recognized as a compliant BDMV disk with chapters, menus etc.

What needs to happen?

What did you use for authoring? What video codec, MPEG-2 or AVCHD?
post #909 of 2482
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Originally Posted by benes View Post

Red laser - Sort of. This is where it gets complicated. PS3 does not support Blu-ray format on a regular DVD. It only supports AVCHD on a regular DVD. Since you are using MPEG2 video Ulead cannot help here because it will re-encode the video to AVC.

Looks like benes answered my question. But this is hard to swallow. 100% certain, no red laser mpeg2 BDMV playback on PS3? (sobbing...)
post #910 of 2482
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Originally Posted by MozartMan View Post

What did you use for authoring? What video codec, MPEG-2 or AVCHD?

I used ULEAD MF6+ with HD pack, mpeg2, BDMV. Thanks btw...
post #911 of 2482
You can use the AVCHD option and allow the program to transcode. That will give you menus with the PS3 on DVD. The downside is that you have to wait for it to transcode and I don't think the Ulead software does 24p if that's preferable for your application. The upside is that more HD video can fit on DVD because of the higher compression format.

It is possible to pre-transcode before the disk-build process using the export option, and you can also reimport m2ts off an AVCHD disk. Most people won't find that very useful, but the point is that if you can supply the program with a compliant m2ts H264 file it will not re-transcode when you go to disk (the same as it can do with BDMV). The problem is that there are few cheap ways (none that I have confirmed work) to create that format outside of the Ulead software. The best lead I have seems to be http://www.redkawa.com/forums/showthread.php?t=881 and the tsremux information, which appear to indicate that a special build of x264, muxing with xmuxer, and using tsremux to go to m2ts might work, but I cannot confirm that would work. There have been reports that Sony Vegas 8 Pro can do compliant H264 m2ts, but it might require video straight off a camera because I couldn't get the Sony trial to do the render to Blu-ray for some reason. Most other leads I've ran across seem to involve software costing over $200.

At some point I suppose it's possible that Ulead might change their software to work like the software that tsremux used for their AVCHD support. I think it's been reported that tsremux can do mpeg2, and I think tsremux took their AVCHD support from maybe Nero. Based on the tsremux development comment I read, it might be possible that Nero will do mpeg2 AVCHD. You can check out Nero AVCHD in their trial. There is an option for it to avoid transcoding compliant files, but it transcoded the files I tried using. You could try using the BDMV m2ts file off of your BDMV and using them in Nero. I never tried feeding Nero an m2ts, so I don't know if Nero might actually not transcode like the setting would indicate it should do.
post #912 of 2482
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Originally Posted by benes View Post

This is where TSRemux comes in. It allows you to make AVCHD discs even with MPEG2 video. However TSRemux doesn't do menus. As the name suggests its just a simple muxing tool.

TSRemux will re-encode MPEG2 to AVCHD? Or just put it inside a wrapper? I'd be very happy without the menus if MPEG2 could go inside the AVCHD wrapper, creating a menu-less BDMV red laser disk to break the 2gb filesize limitation for PS3. Possible?
post #913 of 2482
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Originally Posted by Tom Roper View Post

TSRemux will re-encode MPEG2 to AVCHD? Or just put it inside a wrapper? I'd be very happy without the menus if MPEG2 could go inside the AVCHD wrapper, creating a menu-less BDMV red laser disk to break the 2gb filesize limitation for PS3. Possible?

TSremux will just put it inside a wrapper without re-encoding.

1. You load MPEG-2 .TS file into TSRemux
2. Check audio and video streams check boxes.
3. Select Blu-ray option radio button
4. Select folder on your hard drive
5. Select chapter interval
6. Run

TSRemux will create BDMV and CERTIFICATES folders in your selected folder.
What TSRemux does is modifies two xxxxx.hdmv files inside BDMV folder to look like AVCHD disk with video encoded with AVCHD codec. This tricks PS3 and should trick other BD players.

Nero:

1. Select DVD-ROM (UDF) compilation
2. Type whatever label you want
3. On UDF tab select Manual settings-Physical partition-UDF 2.50
4. Drag BDMV and CERTIFICATES folders into your compilation window
5. Burn on DVDV-R/RW, +R/RW, DL

Also if your MPEG-2 files from broadcast capture has video or audio glitches, you may have playback problems on PS3.
Also, latest TSRemux version 0.19 may have audio remuxing bug and cannot load MPEG-2 program files (bug). I had problem yesterday. I tried previous 0.18 and it played ok on PS3.
Also, this method doesn't have 2gb file size limitation for PS3.

I was using this method with TSRemux before I bought Ulead DVD Movie Factory with HD pack.
post #914 of 2482
Man, I must have the worst TS-MPEG2 files ever. I tried the TSremux way - even after trying to repair the streams and the PS3 couldn't play the file. I then just tried to have Nero reencode - same issue. The weird part is they play fine either using my Fusion software, VLC player or MyHD. It's almost like there's a bug in the PS3 decoder or the error correction isn't very good or something.

Chris
post #915 of 2482
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Originally Posted by benes View Post

I may have missed this but does BDAV format on a DVD not work in PS3 either?

Ulead would not let me burn BDAV on red laser media, but I will try tonite using it to create the folders, and Nero to burn it.
post #916 of 2482
MozartMan,

You are right about TSRemux 0.19 having the mpeg loading bug. I found version 0.18 and switched to that. I checked the checkboxes for both streams, audio and video. It authors the folders, and creates 00001.m2ts in the STREAM folder. The file plays in VLC but without the audio.

What I'm wondering about, would it be viable to replace 00001.m2ts with the file Ulead MF6+ authored, because it manages to maintain the audio with the video? That way I would still have the index.bdmv and MovieObject.bdmv files authored with the AVCHD "trick" from TSRemux to fool the PS3 into allowing it to play.
post #917 of 2482
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Originally Posted by Tom Roper View Post

What I'm wondering about, would it be viable to replace 00001.m2ts with the file Ulead MF6+ authored, because it manages to maintain the audio with the video?

.m2ts replacing can work. Actually that's what people were doing before tsremux added AVCHD. One thing I ran into with m2ts replacing involving MF6+ was that chaper skipping could mess up playback, but I don't remember exactly what I was doing when I ruled out considering that for our application. I needed menus and tsremux wasn't an option for that reason, so it's quite likely it might work for your application.

EDIT: Also in your discussion at http://dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=111598 Vegas Pro 8 has a render as Blu-ray option. I can't seem to get it to work in the trial, but it should be able to be used to create compliant m2ts for putting video on AVCHD by reports from the Sony forum. I don't think the Vegas program can create a disk, but other programs like MF6+ are reported to be able to accept the Vegas output without any re-encoding.
post #918 of 2482
How do I author vobs to single-layer DVDs compatible in PS3 and other blu ray players?
post #919 of 2482
Tsremux is reported to accept vobs.
post #920 of 2482
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Originally Posted by alluringreality View Post

Tsremux is reported to accept vobs.

Does it encode to fit on a DVD-5?
post #921 of 2482
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Originally Posted by alluringreality View Post

.m2ts replacing can work. Actually that's what people were doing before tsremux added AVCHD. One thing I ran into with m2ts replacing involving MF6+ was that chaper skipping could mess up playback, but I don't remember exactly what I was doing when I ruled out considering that for our application. I needed menus and tsremux wasn't an option for that reason, so it's quite likely it might work for your application.

EDIT: Also in your discussion at http://dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=111598 Vegas Pro 8 has a render as Blu-ray option. I can't seem to get it to work in the trial, but it should be able to be used to create compliant m2ts for putting video on AVCHD by reports from the Sony forum. I don't think the Vegas program can create a disk, but other programs like MF6+ are reported to be able to accept the Vegas output without any re-encoding.

I can't wait to try this. FWIW, m2t playback on the PS3 has not worked well for me if I use the fast forward or fast reverse buttons. It will freeze the playback, or start over at the beginning. I'm just mentioning that as a disclaimer that I could live with chapters or FF/FR freezing or not working on a BDMV authored using the TSREmux/MF6+ replacement trick, if it would just workaround the *$?&! 2GB file size limit, (argh!)

Vegas 8 would be an option but I think it's going to re-encode the video.
post #922 of 2482
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Originally Posted by 30XS955 User View Post

Does it encode to fit on a DVD-5?

Tsremux has nothing to do with encoding. It can only change compliant video and audio into the format used on Blu-ray players. If your video and audio is too big then the original file would have to be changed. I can't think of why you would have a vob except from sd, but for splitting HD movies into a size to fit on DVD there's a mention of a program in this http://club.cdfreaks.com/f142/bd2dvd...-guide-232165/ If that works with a vob I don't know, but I figure there has to be a program that could do the same because there's a decent number of mpeg2 tools.
post #923 of 2482
Can someone help me locate v0.0.18 of TSRemux? Thanks in advance.
post #924 of 2482
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Originally Posted by Brajesh View Post

Can someone help me locate v0.0.18 of TSRemux? Thanks in advance.

PM me with your email.
post #925 of 2482
Thanks to your help, MozartMan, benes, alluringreality, Brajesh and others, I was way more successful than I expected.

Basically, what I was able to do was take native MPEG2.ts from an HDV 1440x1080i60 camcorder, put 5.1 AC3 audio on it, author it to BDMV without re-encoding the video, burn it to a DVD+RW disk, and play it back on the PS3.

The surprise is how perfectly the disk plays. There are no menus, but it does have chapter stops every 1 minute (that work), and it fast forwards/reverses perfectly. There's no stutter, and the audio is in sync.

The workflow is a bit of a kludge, but I think one key to repairing whatever is iffy in the source is having the .m2t pass through Ulead's transcoding.

Here's the entire workflow:

1.) Shoot 1080i60 HDV video with Canon XH-A1 or HV10 to tape.
2.) Capture from tape playback to .m2t using CapDVHS via IEEE firewire.
3.) Edit with Womble MPEG Video Wizard DVD, export to MPEG program stream with 5.1 audio. No re-encoding of video.
4.) Use Womble format converter to transcode it back to transport stream. No re-encoding of audio or video.
5.) Author it to BDMV folders with no chapters, using Ulead MF6+ HD Pack.
6.) Using 0.18 TSRemux, author it to separate BDMV folders using 0000.m2ts from the Ulead BDMV/STREAMS folder as the source.
7.) Delete 0001.m2ts from the TSRemux BDMV/STREAMS folder, and replace it with 0000.m2ts from the Ulead BDMV/STREAMS folder.
8.) Rename 0000.m2ts as 0001.m2ts
9.) Burn it on red laser DVD with UDF2.5. I used Ulead for this as well.
10.) Perfect! (So far)

Now I want to try the same workflow on a longer video, burn it to different media and see if it still works. But this was progress.

If this all works, I'll have some crow for dinner, since I didn't believe it was possible.
post #926 of 2482
Here is a link to TSRemux 0.18
There is another workflow shown. I used the method above. It just depends on what tools you are working with.


http://club.cdfreaks.com/f142/bd2dvd...-guide-232165/
post #927 of 2482
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Originally Posted by benes View Post

OK as far as I can tell the video and audio are 100% compliant.

Next question (and I should have asked this before). How are you burning the disc? Are you using UDF2.5 format? And are you putting both the BDMV and CERTIFICATE folder on the root level of the disc?

Also make sure you use the latest TSRemux 0.0.19. I had to UNCHECK the option for Bypass Audio Alignment in order for it to work in PowerDVD.

Yes Benes I put BDMV and CERTIFICATE folder on the root level of the disc, I use roxio 9 to burn as data disc it has 2 modes of burning: mode 1 and mode 2XA and 3 options for file system: ISO + Joliet, ISO + Joliet + UDF and ISO Level 2 So a total of 6 possibilities which I tried all of them.
post #928 of 2482
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Originally Posted by benes View Post

Does it say what version of UDF it is? It most likely is not UDF2.5. I'm pretty sure that is the error the PS3 is giving you. Try Nero. You can get a trial version from their site.

I downloaded nero 8 trial version it's worse than roxio there no option to set UDF not even an option to set open session or open disc, what kind of nero software are you using?
post #929 of 2482
I got it nero installs a bunch of applications on my computer I used one of them that I can set the UDF I don't know why its broked into diffrent burning data applications, anyway I got the disc to play on PS3 however it plays slow and broken frames with no sound.
post #930 of 2482
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Originally Posted by Tom Roper View Post

The workflow is a bit of a kludge, but I think one key to repairing whatever is iffy in the source is having the .m2t pass through Ulead's transcoding.

Tom-

I'm not sure I follow this statement. I have some 1080i60 TS-MPEG files I recorded off my cable box and I am having a very difficult time getting them to work on my PS3. They worked on my HD-DVD player when I authored them and play fine on my PC based TS playback system. However, they studder at many spots when playing back on my PS3. So, I'm trying to figure out why and the only thing I can think of is errors in the stream that the PS3 isn't good at correcting.

Thanks,
Chris
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