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post #11071 of 12045
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Originally Posted by ADTech View Post

WBBM is the only VHF-only major station in Chicago. Select an indoor antenna with rabbit ears to try out.

My antenna has some sort of "rabbit ears". Two silver twigs that extend outward, and can be extended up to about 3 feet.
post #11072 of 12045
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Originally Posted by Tigerriot View Post

CBS is very important to me because of the NFL games in the fall.

Have you tried for WIFR, out of Rockford?

It's channel 23.1 (41.1 RF).
post #11073 of 12045
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Originally Posted by Tigerriot View Post

I'm looking into dropping Directv, and going antenna.

I live in the Elgin area. I've got one indoor powered antenna I bought about 5 years ago, and I set it up last night to see what we'd have available. It picked up 5,7, 9, 11, 32, and 50 very well.

Just curious about channel 2. WBBM. I know it's the most difficult to pick up, but I was wondering if short of an outdoor antenna it's going to be impossible for me to get?

CBS is very important to me because of the NFL games in the fall.

If you have a good enough outdoor antenna and preamp you'll be OK. If you rely on rabbit ears no way.
post #11074 of 12045
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Originally Posted by swiat View Post

If you have a good enough outdoor antenna and preamp you'll be OK. If you rely on rabbit ears no way.

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Originally Posted by Tigerriot View Post

I'm looking into dropping Directv, and going antenna.

I live in the Elgin area. I've got one indoor powered antenna I bought about 5 years ago, and I set it up last night to see what we'd have available. It picked up 5,7, 9, 11, 32, and 50 very well.

Just curious about channel 2. WBBM. I know it's the most difficult to pick up, but I was wondering if short of an outdoor antenna it's going to be impossible for me to get?

CBS is very important to me because of the NFL games in the fall.

I live in Elgin, West of Randall Rd, and South of Rt. 20.
I put a Radio Shack outdoor antenna in the attic, similar to

http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...uctId=11000532

I also used a pre-amp similar to:
http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...ductId=3780245

With these you will probably get all of the Chicago Locals.
Rockford may also be a possibility, but may require a rotor, in which case you will definitely need to be outdoors.

You may want to try the attic route first, and then go for outdoors if that does not work.
post #11075 of 12045
Wow... I was cruising through the channels and stopped for a moment when I saw WTTW broadcasting Over Hawaii. Way to really munge the picture quality! Instead of a beautiful and crisp HD picture you got a smeared-looking picture that looks like 480p. Shame on you, WTTW!
post #11076 of 12045
The latest I've heard on the WPVN/Trump Tower situation is that it's "moving along".

That is all.
post #11077 of 12045
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Originally Posted by Rammitinski View Post

The latest I've heard on the WPVN/Trump Tower situation is that it's "moving along".

That is all.

Hopefully soon!
post #11078 of 12045
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Originally Posted by surf_fun85 View Post

Hopefully soon!

..."hopefully soon" they'll have a color picture on 24-1 that doesn't look like there is a loose wire and cause an interference pattern with flickering Color/BW.

How long has that been going on for now? Who's running the place?
post #11079 of 12045
I know nothing!
Just commenting
post #11080 of 12045
Anybody notice the ad today, May 15, on pages 18 and 19 of the Sun-Times for the "invention that pulls in free TV with no bills"? Somehow, at least in my mind, it is a classic just like the Amish craftsmen hand making cabinets one by one for Chinese electric heaters.
post #11081 of 12045
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Originally Posted by Inspector 13 View Post

Anybody notice the ad today, May 15, on pages 18 and 19 of the Sun-Times for the "invention that pulls in free TV with no bills"?

It appears to be ad for this antenna.

Here's a PDF of a similar ad from another market.

The PDF ad claims that "The micro diagonal arms pull in VHF low frequency, the horizontal bars at the base of the Clear-Cast pull in the UHF high frequency signals and the bowtie configuration pulls in UHF medium frequency" -- which seems pretty hard to believe as it looks like just another mediocre-performing UHF indoor antenna.
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post #11083 of 12045
Where do they get the "953 free channels" number from?
post #11084 of 12045
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Originally Posted by dicko2 View Post

Where do they get the "953 free channels" number from?

It doesn't say that. Read it again.
post #11085 of 12045
Thread Starter 
Hello everyone,

There has been movement in getting everyone off of channel 51. That's next to the new area allocated to wireless providers, and they say that DTV stations on channel 51 interfere with those broadcasts. So, the FCC has been trying to figure out how to boot
them off. Here in Chicago, WPWR-DT rf 51 (50.1), aka MyNetworkTV, needs to be
moved. But where?

"Trip" Erickson of "RabbitEars" fame got a hold of a list the FCC
published Monday. There are 15 stations across the country on channel 51
that will have to move, and the FCC has to give them no degredation of
service. And it's very interesting how they plan to do it:

http://www.rabbitears.info/tvq.php?c...est=list&sort=

They're going to boot WPWR-DT to channel 14. People who know RF know
that's the frequencies used by some of the area police departments. But,
thanks to narrowbanding and digital, they're moving off, clearing the way
for channel 14 to be used. But it looks like WPWR will need a new
directional antenna, with major nulls at 30 degrees and 70 degrees to
protect stations in Michigan (no worries there, fish don't watch them!),
and minor nulls to the west and south:

http://www.rabbitears.info/antimages/30328_0.gif

The black area is coverage; the ring is where 100% of the signal is going. White areas indicate the
nulls with lower power, largely over the lake. That also means that out
here in DeKalb, I'd be getting an effective 350 kw or so instead of the
full 1 million. I should still be fine...at that channel, it should boom
out far.

At some point, it looks like we'll need to rescan our
TV's to get WPWR when they move.
post #11086 of 12045
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Originally Posted by sebenste View Post

But it looks like WPWR will need a new
directional antenna, with major nulls at 30 degrees and 70 degrees to
protect stations in Michigan (no worries there, fish don't watch them!),
and minor nulls to the west and south:

http://www.rabbitears.info/antimages/30328_0.gif

This is the same directional pattern WPWR uses right now on channel 51.

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The black area is coverage; the ring is 60 miles. White areas indicate the
nulls with no service, largely over the lake.

The ring is not 60 miles, it represents 100% of the power going in that direction. If the black area touches the outer ring, then 1000 kW is going in that direction.

Quote:


That also means that out
here in DeKalb, I'd be getting an effective 350 kw or so instead of the
full 1 million. I should still be fine...at that channel, it should boom
out far.

It's the same amount of power you are receiving now.

Quote:


At some point in a year or two, it looks like we'll need to rescan our
TV's to get WPWR when they move.

We will see how fast this moves. There has been nothing formally announced yet, this data just sort of appeared in the FCC database last night.

- Trip
post #11087 of 12045
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Originally Posted by sebenste View Post

Hello everyone,

There has been movement in getting everyone off of channel 51. That's next to the new area allocated to wireless providers, and they say that DTV stations on channel 51 interfere with those broadcasts. So, the FCC has been trying to figure out how to boot
them off. Here in Chicago, WPWR-DT rf 51 (50.1), aka MyNetworkTV, needs to be moved. But where?

They're going to boot WPWR-DT to channel 14. People who know RF know
that's the frequencies used by some of the area police departments. But,
thanks to narrowbanding and digital, they're moving off, clearing the way
for channel 14 to be used. But it looks like WPWR will need a new
directional antenna, with major nulls at 30 degrees and 70 degrees to
protect stations in Michigan (no worries there, fish don't watch them!),
and minor nulls to the west and south:

[


Many small towns will have to move their police to 700 MHz from 470 MHz in the next 10 years. So I guess the swap is the municipalities on 470 go to 700 MHz and the broadcasters will nudge in RF 14-15 in NYC, LA, Chi where there were police and fire that get moved?
post #11088 of 12045
Wasn't channel 14 allocated to Joliet in the analog days, I mean before channels 14-19 were taken from Chicago.
post #11089 of 12045
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Originally Posted by Markxxx View Post

Wasn't channel 14 allocated to Joliet in the analog days, I mean before channels 14-19 were taken from Chicago.

It sure was. 66 was allocated to both Joliet & Elgin, but when 14 - 20 got allocated to Land Mobile use, with certain TV channels off-limits in that market (14 & 15 currently off-limits in Chicago market), 14 was deleted & 66 allocated to just Joliet. Had 14 been allowed for the Chicago market, then I believe 66 would have been allocated to Elgin.
post #11090 of 12045
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

This is the same directional pattern WPWR uses right now on channel 51.

The ring is not 60 miles, it represents 100% of the power going in that direction. If the black area touches the outer ring, then 1000 kW is going in that direction.

It's the same amount of power you are receiving now.

We will see how fast this moves. There has been nothing formally announced yet, this data just sort of appeared in the FCC database last night.

- Trip

Thanks, Trip, for the corrections and clarification. I edited the post above. Slowly, they are whittling away at broadcasters' spectrum. Why not have the wireless companies deal with "channel 52" issues instead of the broadcasters? We were there first!
post #11091 of 12045
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Originally Posted by sebenste View Post

Why not have the wireless companies deal with "channel 52" issues instead of the broadcasters? We were there first!

That was how it was supposed to be. They complained anyway and the FCC listened.

- Trip
post #11092 of 12045
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Originally Posted by FSugino View Post

Wow... I was cruising through the channels and stopped for a moment when I saw WTTW broadcasting Over Hawaii. Way to really munge the picture quality! Instead of a beautiful and crisp HD picture you got a smeared-looking picture that looks like 480p. Shame on you, WTTW!

wttw has gone for quantity over quality, and their signal looks like
crap. Which is why i had to put my ku band fta setup back in service.
The difference between the two is why wttw will never ever get
any money from me in the future. And their hd channel is already
severely bit reduced 720p.
post #11093 of 12045
Last I noticed, they had changed it back to 1080i again, and it was worse than it's ever been, with any inkling of motion at all.

So if they're showing nothing but still photos, it's sharp as a tack ().
post #11094 of 12045
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

That was how it was supposed to be. They complained anyway and the FCC listened.

- Trip

i thought it was the money complaining

kd9fz
comments, criticisms and questions of sanity are alwyas welcome
post #11095 of 12045
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Originally Posted by kd9fz View Post

i thought it was the money complaining

The only thing money ever complains about is loneliness.
post #11096 of 12045
Just wanted to update that I got my hands on a new converter box: a Digital Stream DTX9950. I put the ailing converter box in my room with a rabbit ears antenna (cos i really dont care since it barely works anyway). I do like the new box but it's been a helluva time getting remote codes since the damn thing didnt come with one. Luckily dad kept a couple remotes from the past years, but still using two remotes (one for the vcr, one for the tv & new box). Gonna try the old comcast remote, but doubtful it'll work on the new box.
post #11097 of 12045
The channels have to be moved to lower frequencies for the sake of better building and structure penetration
post #11098 of 12045
picked up a Magnavox converter box at a garage sale recently for only $5
with remote and a/v cable
it works good, better than the RCA unit that i bought at Target not too long ago
only buggy thing is the remote control acts slow to respond
using RS rabit ears for antenna
post #11099 of 12045
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Originally Posted by msbklipsch View Post

picked up a Magnavox converter box at a garage sale recently for only $5
with remote and a/v cable
it works good, better than the RCA unit that i bought at Target not too long ago
only buggy thing is the remote control acts slow to respond
using RS rabit ears for antenna

If your converter box is model# TB100MW9, then you got one of the good converter boxes. I however don't like that if one station is using a virtual channel number of another station that uses that same channel number for their RF channel, that you have to delete the virtual channel in order to enter the RF channel. For me, if I want to enter WLS-TV's RF channel of 44, then I must delete WSNS's virtual channel 44 in order to do so. WLS-TV on RF 44 maps to 7.1 - 7.3 (same as when virtual channel 7 isn't stored, & you enter the RF channel of 7, then it still maps to 7.1 - 7.3. For now, WLS-TV is the only one broadcasting on 2 RF channels (WBBM-TV will become the second one once their get their translator installed on the tower on top of the former WXRT studios). WBBM-TV will broadcast on both RF 12 & 26 (both will map to 2.1). My other gripe is that you can't delete subchannels you don't like. I can't delete virtual channels: 5.2, 7.2, 7.3, 11.4, 20.2, 23.3, 38.1, 56.2, 56.4, or 60.2. Unlike TV tuners & some converter boxes, this one ties the subchannels to the RF channel, & won't let you delete one without having to delete the entire channel. It however is nice if a new subchannel is created by a station, that you don't have to rescan (or manually enter the RF channel to scan that channel) in order to get it.

For the remote, I simply use an RCA universal remote than the manufacturers remote. The buttone on the universal remote are bigger for my fingers than the main remote. I only use the main remote when I have to. As for antenna, rabbit ears won't work in my home, as I've already tried (even in the analog days), & got nothing. I'm using separate VHF & UHF antennas (by choice rather than a combo antenna), & I get nearly all channels that TV Fool says I can get, including some low power digital stations. With pre-amp, I even get the most difficult low power VHF, WOCK-CD on RF 4. I'm using an Antennacraft CS600 for VHF & Winegard HD9032 for UHF for Chicago stations, & 3 years ago, bought the Winegard HD-1080 for 1 station broadcasting south of me, since it won't lock in with a steady signal off any antenna not pointed south.
post #11100 of 12045
FM 87.7 now has the audio from WIQI radio's HD3, and NTSC channel 6 is using that audio and labeling itself WKQX-LP, and so is channel 61.2 (RF33); but 61.2 is still using "WLFM" as its PSIP name.
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