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post #11131 of 12036
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Originally Posted by judget View Post

so is the new 1 million watt wls tv antenna up and running yet.... could this be affecting wmaq tv.. the signal seems to be breaking up... also what is new with wbbm on rf 26 ....

WLS is on 44, WMAQ is on 29. If one's interfering with the other, something is horribly wrong.
post #11132 of 12036
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by judget View Post

so is the new 1 million watt wls tv antenna up and running yet.... could this be affecting wmaq tv.. the signal seems to be breaking up... also what is new with wbbm on rf 26 ....

No, it will be up sometime in August. No, it's not affecting WMAQ. Nothing new on WBBM.
post #11133 of 12036
thanks... by the way anything new with chicago's 24 hour infomercial/ religious program station, channel 62.. are they going to do anything with that station or just run it into the ground with there current programming ...
post #11134 of 12036
I hope the new WLS signal on RF44 comes in better than the current one.  Right now I get more reliable ATSC reception of RF7 and went through a lot of gyrations to get my DTV Pal DVR to assign RF7 to its 7 and RF44 to its 70 rather than the other way around, so that it would associate the Rovi guide with RF7 (for RF44, there's still WLS's PSIP).
post #11135 of 12036
Is Mundo Fox going to be on 32.2 or 50.2?
Logicaly I would think 50.2 would be better because of where all the other Spanish Stations are located and Fox wouldn't want to mess with NFL and MLB reception.

Also when is 24.1 going full power? I live in the city and can't their signal.
I used to get 13.1 for awhile and occasionally and only got 61.1 a few times.
I have an indoor amplifed antenna hooked to my tv. (I'm around the DePaul area).
post #11136 of 12036
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Originally Posted by chgo1967 View Post

Is Mundo Fox going to be on 32.2 or 50.2?

Neither.

- Trip
post #11137 of 12036
Thread Starter 
Neither? Then where to? You know something we don't? :-)
post #11138 of 12036
In Evanston, on the 3rd floor with a southeast exposure. Have an Insignia converter box (twin of the Zenith DTT901) and use rabbit ears. My reception is usually great. Over the last couple of weeks have had a terrible time with reception. Used to get all the channels with ease but especially Channel 9 has been really bad as of late. Just wondering if any of the smarter technical folks know of anything going on with the transmitter or something else affecting reception?

Thanx.....
post #11139 of 12036
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Originally Posted by sebenste View Post

Neither? Then where to? You know something we don't? :-)

They're trying to get as many primary channels as possible.
post #11140 of 12036
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Originally Posted by chgo1967 View Post

Also when is 24.1 going full power? I live in the city and can't their signal.

They're not.
post #11141 of 12036
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Originally Posted by sebenste View Post

Neither? Then where to? You know something we don't? :-)

Yes, I do. wink.gif

- Trip
post #11142 of 12036
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Originally Posted by cgmv123 View Post

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Originally Posted by sebenste View Post

Neither? Then where to? You know something we don't? :-)

They're trying to get as many primary channels as possible.
No problem if Fox wants another PSIP x.1 for MundoFox in the Chicago DMA, so long as they don't want to crowd the spectrum with another RF channel.
post #11143 of 12036
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Originally Posted by dattier View Post

No problem if Fox wants another PSIP x.1 for MundoFox in the Chicago DMA, so long as they don't want to crowd the spectrum with another RF channel.

I think there's an FCC restriction against PSIP'ing more than 1 primary channel. I'm also assuming they want MundoFOX in HD, so no sub channels.
post #11144 of 12036
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Originally Posted by cgmv123 View Post

I think there's an FCC restriction against PSIP'ing more than 1 primary channel.
OK; that's something I wouldn't know.
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I'm also assuming they want MundoFOX in HD, so no sub channels.
As you say, you're assuming, and even if your assumption is right, WLS and WYIN are both transmitting mutliple 720p channels on a single signal, so WFLD or WPWR might do the same.  The quality would suffer but we've seen time and time again that very few broadcasters care about that.
post #11145 of 12036
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Originally Posted by jerryknite View Post

In Evanston, on the 3rd floor with a southeast exposure. Have an Insignia converter box (twin of the Zenith DTT901) and use rabbit ears. My reception is usually great. Over the last couple of weeks have had a terrible time with reception. Used to get all the channels with ease but especially Channel 9 has been really bad as of late. Just wondering if any of the smarter technical folks know of anything going on with the transmitter or something else affecting reception?
Thanx.....

Probably tropospheric ducting from WXMI over the lake causing issues. Next time it happens see if there is a correlation with this website's forecast: http://www.dxinfocentre.com/tropo.html

You can also check realtime APRS (144.39 MHz) data here: http://aprs.mountainlake.k12.mn.us/
WGN uses UHF but if VHF is open solid, there is a chance the MUF (maximum usable frequency) sneaks up to 488-494 MHz where WGN Chicago and WXMI Grand Rapids both occupy RF channel 17.
post #11146 of 12036
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Originally Posted by chgo1967 View Post

Also when is 24.1 going full power? I live in the city and can't their signal.
I used to get 13.1 for awhile and occasionally and only got 61.1 a few times.
I have an indoor amplifed antenna hooked to my tv. (I'm around the DePaul area).

You're really looking for WPVN to move to the Trump Tower and no one knows when. Their website says it was supposed to happen in January. They will be operating 15 kW which is about the same they currently use from the Zurich building in Schaumburg. That's still a far cry from the 1000 kW ERP WPWR and WFLD use.
post #11147 of 12036
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Originally Posted by cgmv123 View Post

I think there's an FCC restriction against PSIP'ing more than 1 primary channel. I'm also assuming they want MundoFOX in HD, so no sub channels.

Not sure about that one. WCIU PSIP'd 23.2 and 48.1 and 26.1-26.6.
post #11148 of 12036
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Originally Posted by swiat View Post

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Originally Posted by cgmv123 View Post

I think there's an FCC restriction against PSIP'ing more than 1 primary channel. I'm also assuming they want MundoFOX in HD, so no sub channels.

Not sure about that one. WCIU PSIP'd 23.2 and 48.1 and 26.1-26.6.
As far as I remember, at no time did more than one .1 come from the same RF signal, though.
post #11149 of 12036
i have also noticed the issue with wgn tv. and there ota signal.. anything we can do to fix this problem.. or wgn can do to fix this problem
post #11150 of 12036
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Originally Posted by judget View Post

i have also noticed the issue with wgn tv. and there ota signal.. anything we can do to fix this problem.. or wgn can do to fix this problem

please see post #11145
post #11151 of 12036
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Originally Posted by swiat View Post

Probably tropospheric ducting from WXMI over the lake causing issues. Next time it happens see if there is a correlation with this website's forecast: http://www.dxinfocentre.com/tropo.html
You can also check realtime APRS (144.39 MHz) data here: http://aprs.mountainlake.k12.mn.us/
WGN uses UHF but if VHF is open solid, there is a chance the MUF (maximum usable frequency) sneaks up to 488-494 MHz where WGN Chicago and WXMI Grand Rapids both occupy RF channel 17.

In the Chicago market, WYIN operates on RF 17, not WGN-TV. WGN-TV Chicago & WXMI Grand Rapids are on RF 19.
post #11152 of 12036
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Originally Posted by swiat View Post

Not sure about that one. WCIU PSIP'd 23.2 and 48.1 and 26.1-26.6.

They used to (around the time of the digital transition). Not any more. In fact, 23.2 is now PSIP'd from the low-power RF channel 39 (which 23.1 is also PSIP'd from) while 48.1 is now PSIP'd from a new low-power RF channel 32. 26.6 is no longer in existence.
post #11153 of 12036
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Originally Posted by RJL1965 View Post

They used to (around the time of the digital transition). Not any more. In fact, 23.2 is now PSIP'd from the low-power RF channel 39 (which 23.1 is also PSIP'd from) while 48.1 is now PSIP'd from a new low-power RF channel 32. 26.6 is no longer in existence.

Up until late 2010, WCIU was PSIP'ing 23.1, 26.1 - 26.4, 26.6, & 48.1 on RF 27, while 23.2 was PSIP'd from RF 39. When they eliminated FBT, then 23.1 was PSIP'd to RF 39, along with 23.2 & 23.3, while RF 27 is now 26.1 - 26.5. Once RF 32 signed on last year, then 48.1 was PSIP'd to that RF channel. I was glad when the PSIP was changed, because if I accidently deleted any channel mapped to RF 27, then I was forced to rescan my converter box in order to get RF 27 back. Otherwise, my converter box couldn't find any PSIP channel when the RF channel was manually entered, except for 23.1. Because of that, RF 27 until late 2010, would manually PSIP to any 23.X channel, if I entered the RF channel manually. All other stations (as long as no PSIP channel was also stored in my box that used another station's RF channel number) could be entered manually with the RF channel. Weigel Broadcasting should have had 23.1 PSIP'd to RF 39 from the time the digital station signed on, & not have it part of a subchannel to RF 27. At least now, once WBBM-TV signs on RF 26 (their translator), I'll delete PSIP 26 from my box, then enter 26 for the RF channel to see if I get it. If I do, then I could decide to store it, or just continue picking it up on RF 12. I know it (translator) won't be as strong on the Indiana side, since they were forced to move the translator site to the former WXRT studios, instead of using the Sears Tower as originally planned.
post #11154 of 12036
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Originally Posted by cgmv123 View Post

I think there's an FCC restriction against PSIP'ing more than 1 primary channel. I'm also assuming they want MundoFOX in HD, so no sub channels.

http://www.boriquachicks.com/mundofox-presents-conexion-en-vivo-tour-next-stop-chicago-photo-gallery/mundofox-wock-chicago-2/

http://www.lawndalenews.com/2012/07/stay-tuned-for-mundofox/

Both of these place Mundo Fox on 13.1 WOCK. "Full carriage" they say...
post #11155 of 12036
The former link is to a page with no article (at least, not any more).

In either case, thanks for the news, Longwong.  WOCK at low power on RF4 isn't reaching many people with their current programming, and carrying Mundofox instead won't improve their penetration or reception unless something is done about that.  The carriage may be full but it won't get very far.
post #11156 of 12036
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Originally Posted by dattier View Post

The former link is to a page with no article (at least, not any more).
In either case, thanks for the news, Longwong.  WOCK at low power on RF4 isn't reaching many people with their current programming, and carrying Mundofox instead won't improve their penetration or reception unless something is done about that.  The carriage may be full but it won't get very far.

In order to get WOCK-CD requires an outdoor antenna, & in most cases, a pre-amp in order to get their puny 300 watt signal. Rabbit ears simply won't cut it with this station, unless you're possibly that close to the John Hancock, then even that's a problem. I get them in Gary, IN on my Antennacraft CS600 antenna & RCA pre-amp, model# TVPRAMP1R. During the summer months, it doesn't always stay steady at 300 watts like it did when they were at 810 watts. If this station could boost their power to more than 1kw, they might have a chance reaching those users with outdoor antennas. I can guarantee you that whenever Venture Technologies decides to convert WKQX-LP to digital (not likely before 2015), their CP for 3kw will reach more people than WOCK ever will operating at 300 watts. I got WBBM-TV when their digital was on RF 3 at 2.8kw, & I was not using a pre-amp at the time either (almost no breakups either).
post #11157 of 12036
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Originally Posted by dave73 View Post

In order to get WOCK-CD requires an outdoor antenna, & in most cases, a pre-amp in order to get their puny 300 watt signal. Rabbit ears simply won't cut it with this station...
That goes without saying.  The rare times I've pulled WOCK-CD in have been through the rooftop antenna without splitting the signal.
post #11158 of 12036
If WOCK is the one that carries KBC, then even Comcast has occasional problems. I've seen the channel blank several times.

Also, is this from the first post still correct for WOCK? I can only pick them up rarely and can't verify right now.
WOCK-LD (4)
13-1 : LATV - 480i
13-2 : KBC - 480i
13-3 : MegaTV - 480i
13-4 : MC-TV - 480i

If so, then the Wikipedia article needs to be updated.
post #11159 of 12036
WOCK-LD should have MundoFox on it soon if it doesn't already.

- Trip
post #11160 of 12036
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Originally Posted by andyross63 View Post

Also, is this from the first post still correct for WOCK? I can only pick them up rarely and can't verify right now.
WOCK-LD (4)
13-1 : LATV - 480i
13-2 : KBC - 480i
13-3 : MegaTV - 480i
13-4 : MC-TV - 480i

If so, then the Wikipedia article needs to be updated.
Last time I could pull it in, MegaTV was on 13.1 and LATV was on 13.3.
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