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post #11401 of 12036
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Originally Posted by chgo1967 View Post

Is 24.3 TNN old repeats of the cable channel or a revamped version of TNN before Spike tv?

Some of both. There's definitely some material from the original TNN running on it, but it's intermixed with new productions, current music videos, and the live morning show. There's roughly a 50/50 split between new and old.

- Trip
post #11402 of 12036

Still getting it, but at 10-12 points on my TiVo HD's SSM lower than before, at 62-63%. frown.gif

post #11403 of 12036
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Originally Posted by dave73 View Post

Believe it or not, I'm getting WPVN-CD in Gary, IN. I don't know how long it'll last. Now when I went to pull up the coverage map from the FCC, via google), I'm now shown being outside the protected coverage area. I don't know what happened with that one. I just know that for now, I get WPVN-CD. Whenever WUVI-LD goes on the air, I expect to lose WPVN-CD, since I would pick up WUVI from the back side. That station would broadcast exactly 180° in the opposite direction of the Chicago stations. I hope it never makes it to the air (WUVI-LD that is). 24.1 is the only channel at the moment that has no audio. Picture quality is ok for all other channels. My mom might watch TNN, as she likes country music (if the channel plays more than music videos). I however noticed that when I picked up WPVN-CD, I lost W25DW-D. I wonder if W25DW-D is getting interference from WPVN-CD now that they're broadcasting in the city.

I'm happy you're at least temporarily getting the channel, Dave! But honestly very shocked. I was leaning toward maybe a 25 percent chance or less you'd be able to get them in Gary. But it's nice to be wrong sometimes. wink.gif It's also really impressive their new signal seems to be getting out as far as DeKalb and Geneva. For a TV signal of that power both of those places are a long trip to make.

So with WPVN's move, not only is WUVI gonna complicate things when/if they go live but also looks like maybe W25D-W might have a mess on their hands too. Except if I read that post right they will be dealing with Weigel..ouch frown.gif

That whole WUVI situation...that would be like if one of the Rockford or Milwaukee stations somehow moved to downtown Chicago, but were still licensed to and served those areas plus ours. That's just an odd situation I've never heard of happening before.

I looked at the TNN website and it's a pretty decent variety of stuff actually. I'll be home all of Monday and Tuesday so I'll really check out 24.1, 24.2 and 24.3 then. Hopefully 24.1 will have sound by then!
post #11404 of 12036
Other than having to turn the antenna, reception has never been a problem for me. But and this is a little off topic, but now I would like to see WPVN 24.1, 24.2 and maybe 24.3 up on Directv.
post #11405 of 12036
well no one has mentioned ... or no one cares ...
44.3 no longer there today
adios SOI-tv ?

kd9fz
comments, criticisms and questions of sanity are always welcome
post #11406 of 12036
Other than having to turn the antenna, reception has never been a problem for me. But and this is a little off topic, but now I would like to see WPVN 24.1, 24.2 and maybe 24.3 up on Directv.



I'm happy to be seeing them at all. But if I were Directv they would not be allowed on till they correct their levels.
Whites and bright colors are completly blown out,how hard is that to correct in the year 2013?
post #11407 of 12036
It's been reported all day today. But Weigel Broadcasting is launching a new digital subnetwork that will be aring on the Fox O&Os. This venture will be the first network that won't be airing on any of the Weigel Stations in Chicago. This new network which the name entitled "Movies!" will be launching later in the spring, will be airing on the DT2 subchannel. Not sure if its WFLD or WPWR. More on this new can be read HERE.
Edited by csworldwide1 - 1/28/13 at 7:32pm
post #11408 of 12036
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by kd9fz View Post

well no one has mentioned ... or no one cares ...
44.3 no longer there today
adios SOI-tv ?

kd9fz
comments, criticisms and questions of sanity are always welcome

Just checked their website, and yep, they took it off in Chicago, but not
LA or New York. Muy interesante...
post #11409 of 12036
source: Northpine.com and
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/491563-Fox_O_Os_Weigel_Launch_Movies_Digi_Net.php

Fox O&Os, Weigel Launch Movies! Digi-Net
Another player in crowded entertainment subchannel space

By Michael Malone -- Broadcasting & Cable, 1/28/2013 1:58:33 PM


Fox Television Stations and Weigel Broadcasting are partnering on Movies!, a film-themed subchannel launching in 17 Fox-owned markets this spring. The network's aim is "to create a new destination for movie fans that is fan-friendly and available for free via over-the-air television, and in many cases via local cable carriage," said Fox in a statement.

Movies! will be available on Fox subchannels in New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Philadelphia, Dallas, Boston, Washington, Atlanta, Houston, Detroit, Phoenix, Tampa, Minneapolis, Orlando, Austin, Memphis and Ocala.

"We're doing Movies! because this content works in the D2 space," said Frank Cicha, senior VP of programming at Fox Television Stations. "Weigel has proven that in their other ventures, which is why we've chosen to work with them. While we've successfully used our D2 spectrum to some degree, this is the first time we're going in with all stations on board, which is exciting."

Movies! enters a crowded entertainment multicast net space that includes This TV, Me-TV, Antenna TV and NBC Owned Stations rookie Cozi TV. Weigel owns Me-TV, which airs classic TV shows, and is a partner, with MGM, on This TV.

The films will air 24 hours a day and will appear in a 16 by 9 format.

"We are excited to work with the Fox Television Station Group in the creation of the next digital network franchise," said Neal Sabin, president of content and networks, Weigel Broadcasting.
post #11410 of 12036
Saw a story in the paper that WOCK 13.4 is now airing WeatherNation. Not totally local weather, but at least something always available for broadcast viewers (or Comcast 392/690). It does have a tiny MidWest weather radar in the corner.
post #11411 of 12036
Too bad their transmitter is so weak...
post #11412 of 12036
I don't think they care too much. Like more and more broadcast channels, they seem to exist more for retransmission rights and $$$.
post #11413 of 12036
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Originally Posted by andyross63 View Post

Saw a story in the paper that WOCK 13.4 is now airing WeatherNation. Not totally local weather, but at least something always available for broadcast viewers (or Comcast 392/690). It does have a tiny MidWest weather radar in the corner.
It's nice that there's a weather channel available, but I'm however not happy that America One was removed from that subchannel. I did watch that from time to time.
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Originally Posted by swiat View Post

Too bad their transmitter is so weak...

It's true that this is a weak station. At only 300 watts, you must have an outdoor antenna & a pre-amp in order to get it. Since I use separate VHF & UHF antennas, I must have my VHF antenna (Antennacraft CS600) at the very top of the pole & pre-amp in order to get it. I would rather have my UHF antenna (Antennas Direct DB8) mounted at the top of the pole instead, as it would make getting WWME-LD a lot easier than it is now. That's one station I lost when I rescanned my new TV.
post #11414 of 12036
It's strange. If I program the DirecTV Am-21 receiver it will get WPVN on 24-1 when I choose Milwaukee as the secondary market and tune 24-1. I think it's a hiccup in the guide. But we'd all like to see 26-5 THIS on the tuner. No luck for over 2 years. The channels on the AM-21 are locked down by DirecTV. Good luck getting WPVN. I doubt it'll happen. I don't get why WWTO is in the guide if less than 10% of viewers in the area can get their signal. DirecTV has complained they have no more room for new OTA channels on the AM-21. Why not just remove WWTO, the erroneous WYIN feeds, the STA feeds for WLS, and then allow 26-4 and 24-1? Then again, I do have an education, and these types of suggestions go nowhere with those DirecTV clowns in California.
post #11415 of 12036
The UHF tuner in my HR20 receiver is broken, otherwise I would have the same problem with it as you do with the AM21. I use the TV's tuner to get OTA. My H20 can scan for local OTA, so I get WPVN without a problem. Even though it has it's own small 2 bay un-amplified antenna.

I believe FCC rule require Directv (and Dish) to carry WPVN now that it is a class A license station. WWTO is within the Chicago DMA so that is why that is carried. I can get it here if I swing the antenna around in that direction.
post #11416 of 12036
cable companies do not have to carry WWTO. An FCC ruling said it does not significantly serve the Chicago market.
post #11417 of 12036
Thread Starter 
That was for their analog signal, outside of their primary service contour. They absolutely must carry it if they are in their primary contour, AND can get an adequate signal. Their digital signal theoretically goes farther, and covers much of Chicagoland now. But I am guessing TBN pays Comcast et al to carry them anyway.
post #11418 of 12036
I imagine that it's a bit like ION or Weigel's services, which are all available over cable/satellite as part of a national feed. TBN probably doesn't care much about Must Carry status, since they're already on Religious tier. Unlike most stations/services, where not being Must Carry means no access to cable viewers, Must Carry just means TBN's in the Local tier.
post #11419 of 12036
Someone want to check for WRKJ-LD, operating on UHF 24?

https://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/cdbsmenu.hts?context=25&appn=101536342&formid=911&fac_num=68061

Edit: Corrected reversed letters in call sign and suffix. Thanks!
Edited by ADTech - 2/12/13 at 11:09am
post #11420 of 12036
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Originally Posted by ADTech View Post

Someone want to check for WRJK-LP, operating on UHF 24?

https://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/cdbsmenu.hts?context=25&appn=101536342&formid=911&fac_num=68061

Here's what I receive on RF24:

virtual 22,1, 22.2, 22.5, and 22.6: all have the PSIP name WRKJ-LD (not "RJK" nor "LP"), and all seem to be silent with a darkish blue bar across the top and the rest of the screen a lighter blue.

virtual 22.3: PSIP name is also WRKJ-LD but the bug reads "Diya TV" and what's on right now is something Bollywoodish.

virtual 22.4: PSIP name is also WRKJ-LD but all I can get are scattered pixel blocks that go back to black, with intermittent instants of undecipherable audio coming in.

All six channels are 720x480i.

This is with an ancient antenna just under nine miles NNW of downtown, aimed probably at the Prudential Building (where the sticks were in the old days).
post #11421 of 12036
Using DTT here in Schaumburg, I do pick it up. Signal is roughly just above the middle of the bar. 22.3 has the Indian stuff (I've seen AVS occasionally on one of the Comcast public access channels). 22.4 was just blank. The others were blue with flickering dark blue on the top.
post #11422 of 12036
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Originally Posted by dattier View Post

This is with an ancient antenna just under nine miles NNW of downtown, aimed probably at the Prudential Building (where the sticks were in the old days).
If it's nine miles from downtown, that wouldn't be the Prudential Building. Besides the Prudential Annex, next door, is taller than it is. Could it be the old WTTW antenna?
post #11423 of 12036
I'm pretty sure he's talking about his antenna, the receiving antenna. Though you've got a good point about the Annex being taller, not that there'd be a significant difference in bearings at 9 miles out, though.
post #11424 of 12036
ALNielsen: Kc9hzn is right.  I was talking about the receiving antenna on my house's roof, which was aimed at the Prudential Building long before the Prudential Annex existed.  WTTW might not even have been on the air yet (WCIU certainly wasn't), so it may have been set just to get WBBM, WNBQ [now WMAQ], WBKB [now WLS], and WGN on VHF 2, 5, 7, and 9 respectively.  It has not been repositioned since then.  Some UHF elements may have been added later, or it just happens to receive UHF with little trouble.

According to the FCC filing at the link that ADTech gave, WRKJ's transmitter is at Willis Tower, if I read it right.
post #11425 of 12036
I read it wrong, sorry for the confusion.
post #11426 of 12036
Sorry for being unclear in the first place.
post #11427 of 12036
Much? and with VHF-DT? I disagree. WWTO doesn't even reliably cover north of I-290. Maybe 1/3 of the metro area, at best. I'll have to look up the article referencing that it is not a must-carry, maybe Trip knows where it is at..
post #11428 of 12036
This may be the document you're looking for. http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Cable/Orders/1997/da970545.txt Found it on Wikipedia, actually.

- Trip
post #11429 of 12036
Thread Starter 
Yep. Again, Chicago and nearby suburbs were affected by that ruling. However, their digital signal technically goes a little farther, so much of DuPage, Kane, DeKalb, Grundy, Will, Kankakee are in it. SO the cable systems there have to carry it.

Anyway, WRJK-LP, formerly analog 22 in Schaumburg, is right at the lock on my DTT tuner here in DeKalb. Obviously, that was a rush job to get something on the air...
post #11430 of 12036
Quote:
WRJK-LP
It's WRKJ-LD.

There seems to be a longitude requirement for getting that right ...
 
Edited by dattier - 2/15/13 at 9:22am
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