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post #11461 of 12043
The station on RF24 calling itself WRKJ-LD had infomercials running on 22.2 and 22.4 this morning.  22.3 still had Diya, 22.1 and 22.5 still had the silent two-tone blue screen, and 22.6 was still silent and black.
post #11462 of 12043
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Originally Posted by dave73 View Post

It is a possibility that you're getting multipath from the watertower. You may have to move your antenna around a bit to see if reception improves for all stations that come from Chicago. I'm sure the only John Hancock station that you might like is WYCC (WGBO-DT is the only other full power on the John Hancock), & if that isn't affected now, it might be when you move the antenna around to improve reception for the other stations that broadcast from the Sears Tower. Is WBBM-TV on RF 12 or WLS-TV on RF 7 or 44 affected as well? I know for me in Gary, IN, WLS-TV on RF 7 has a higher signal strength than on RF 44 (even after installing a new antenna on the Sears Tower's east tower. When on the John Hancock, RF 44 is stronger, & RF 7 on the John Hancock is about the same (currently, RF 7 is broadcasting from the west tower of the Sears Tower, their original VHF antenna from the 1970's). For myself, I've had to change antennas twice to improve UHF reception. I originally used a Philips deep fringe all channel VHF/UHF/FM antenna, & UHF was horrible on that antenna. I switched to separate VHF & UHF antennas & got the Antennacraft CS600 for VHF & Winegard HD9032 for UHF. The Antennacraft works fine, but the Winegard antenna has given me problems with stations that broadcast on channels in the 40's (especially RF's 43 & 44). This past December, I switched to the Antennas Direct DB8 for UHF, & not only did RF 43 & 44 improve, but RF 39 also came in better, & on all UHF channels, higher signal strength. I also use a pre-amp on my antennas (RCA TVPRAMP1R), & that helps a lot for RF 25, 39, & 40 (though only RF 39 is the only important one), & RF 4 (only cared about RF 4 when America One was carried on VC 13.4)

The strange thing is WLS and WBBM are fine, it is only WMAQ that has really deteriorated. Moving the antenna around and messing with the gain on my amp improved things quite a bit. Thanks.
post #11463 of 12043
I'm watching World News Tonight, and they are airing a crawl on RF7 (not on RF44) that they will be turning off RF7 on Monday, March 18. RF44 has been on its new 1 million watt signal since they'd installed its new UHF antenna back in October. WLS was one of the last stations in the country to do the dual-frequency after reception issues after the digital transition. Good that they waited until after the sweeps to do this.

More info on the website.
post #11464 of 12043
What's a bit scary is that I saw that crawl on Comcast! If they are getting their feed OTA, then they need to change, although I thought most major stations had some other direct link to Comcast and similar?
post #11465 of 12043
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Originally Posted by csworldwide1 View Post

[WLS] will be turning off RF7 on Monday, March 18.
Thank you.  That is both good news and bad news for me: two of our televisions are very confused by there being two sets of channels with the same virtual numbers (7.1, 7.2, and 7.3), and whenever they need a channel removed I can't simply rescan on them but have to do the first half of a double rescan to clear the table and then re-add every ATSC frequency one by one.  (And on one of them I have to be careful of the order, since it prefers known virtual channels to physical ones.)  Come March 18 that nonsense will be over.  (Some of you may remember that way back when I posted a wish that one physical channel or the other would be PSIPped to 7.4, 7.5, and 7.6, and another member answered that that would require a second PSIP encoder, which Disney wasn't going to pop for.)

But it's also bad news for me, because the antenna connected to the DVR receives RF7 quite a bit better than RF44, with fewer dropouts, even since RF44's power boost.  In fact, RF7's signal gets higher marks the DVR tuner's strenght meter.  Of course the solution is to add a second outdoor antenna so that the DVR can receive all channels better, but that's beyond my skills.  I have been coping with it by using the DVR's two tuners to record both RF7 and RF44 when I want something on WLS; where one would dip and weaken, the other would usually be watchable.  On March 18 that option will be gone.
 
post #11466 of 12043
I am impressed. There is a thread about our Channnel 7 crawl less than half hour after we started it! I would have liked for us to keep Channel 7...but the FCC has other ideas. Once our Channel 44 facility was complete and at the full authorized 1MW power they would not renew the Channel 7 STA we operated on since we acquired Channel 44. So on March 25 midnight our STA expires. We will be shutting down RF Channel 7 on Monday March 18. We do not expect any issues, but this gives us an option to go back on air and put up a slide. We really hope people heed our message and perform a rescan on their TV's and switch to a VHF/UHF antenna if they have not already done so. Thanks about the info about Comcast...that is a surprise! We are contacting all the Cable/Satellite carriers in our database regarding the change.

Kal Hassan
VP & Dir of Engineering
WLS-TV
post #11467 of 12043
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Originally Posted by Kal Hassan View Post

I would have liked for us to keep Channel 7...but the FCC has other ideas. Once our Channel 44 facility was complete and at the full authorized 1MW power they would not renew the Channel 7 STA we operated on since we acquired Channel 44. So on March 25 midnight our STA expires. We will be shutting down RF Channel 7 on Monday March 18.

Kal Hassan
VP & Dir of Engineering
WLS-TV

Here in Dallas-Ft. Worth, KTVT's simulcast on RF-11 and RF-19 ended on 26 NOV 2012. They had it going for over three years, about the same length of time that WLS-TV was on both channels. It looks like the only VHF-UHF simulcast in a top 50 market that will go on in perpetuity is WLAC, err WTVF in Nashville with RF-5 operating as "low" power station with 3 kW.

And of course with repacking, who knows where everyone will end up in a few years? mad.gif
post #11468 of 12043
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Originally Posted by Kal Hassan View Post

I am impressed. There is a thread about our Channnel 7 crawl less than half hour after we started it! I would have liked for us to keep Channel 7...but the FCC has other ideas. Once our Channel 44 facility was complete and at the full authorized 1MW power they would not renew the Channel 7 STA we operated on since we acquired Channel 44. So on March 25 midnight our STA expires. We will be shutting down RF Channel 7 on Monday March 18. We do not expect any issues, but this gives us an option to go back on air and put up a slide. We really hope people heed our message and perform a rescan on their TV's and switch to a VHF/UHF antenna if they have not already done so. Thanks about the info about Comcast...that is a surprise! We are contacting all the Cable/Satellite carriers in our database regarding the change.

Kal Hassan
VP & Dir of Engineering
WLS-TV

Let's hope for my sake that I have no problems with RF 44. With my last UHF only antenna, the Winegard HD9032, WLS-TV on RF 44 dropped out constantly at all hours, & WCPX pixelated a lot after sunset, with the worst of it after midnight. Since switching to the Antennas Direct DB8, both stations come in better, though RF 44 is actually weaker than RF 7 signal wise. With your station being forced to vacate RF 7, I wonder if Venture Technologies will resubmit their application for RF 7 in place of RF 33 for WCHU-LD. They did put in one to switch to RF 28, but I see it hasn't been acted upon yet. All I know is that I hope RF 44 will be better. My experiences with the Winegard HD9032 & my original Philips deep fringe VHF/UHF/FM antenna, that RF 44 didn't work too well with those antennas. I may not need a deep fringe antenna for full power stations from Chicago in Gary, IN, but I need one for WWME-LD on RF 39, due to the station's null toward Indiana, along with WPVN-CD on RF 20, & have a pre-amplifier attached to the antenna. For VHF, I'm using the Antennacraft CS600, & got it for WOCK-CD on RF 4, when they used to carry America One on 13.4. Otherwise, I would have bought the Antennacraft Y5-7-13. I'm keeping this antenna, just in case channel repackaging takes place, & some stations go to VHF-Lo.
post #11469 of 12043
Thread Starter 
Kal,

I just posted this to a group of Chicago air over-the-air users:

WLS-TV 7 is going off the air...forever

No, WLS isn't going off the air on channel 44. But it IS going off the air on channel 7.

On September 17, 1948, a TV station signed on in Chicago on chaannel 7 called WENR-TV. Since then, Chicago has always "had" channel 7: first on analog, and then, after analog shutdown, to digital.

Of course, we all know how that digital transition went for channel 7, and they got a permit to change from channel 7 to 44 over 3 years ago. Back in November of last year, they finally got their new antenna and transmitter up on Willis Tower, and now that they are 1 million watts on channel 44...the FCC wants channel 7 back.

March 24 would have been the last day for channel 7 per the FCC, but WLS' chief engineer, Kal Hassan, said this on AVS Forum today (STA= FCC Special Temporary Authority to operate a license):

(Reference post above)

And there it is. After 65 years, what all of us have essentially known as WLS all our lives will leave the airwaves---forever. Now, another low-power or full-power station could grab that frequency/channel...and I suspect someone will on the day it expires with an FCC application. In any case, WLS is running crawls on their RF 7 frequency (but NOT on their permanent rf 44 frequency) that you'll need to rescan your TV on March 18th to get the station again. The crawl is also accidentally going out to pay TV providers, including Comcast (whoops).

So, everyone will still get WLS, aka "ABC 7 Chicago", and only a handful really understand what's going on here. But it's the end of an era for channel 7, and a long, interesting and storied history of that channel will come quietly to an end after over 6 decades.
post #11470 of 12043
I wonder what this bodes for WBBM on RF26, or is that already dead in the water?
post #11471 of 12043
All they say at WBBM TV is we will here some news soon. That was back in January 2013. They have been saying that for over a year. Getting old. I now receive CBS via WIFR in Rockford. Put a second antenna in the attic and aimed it at Rockford. No issues, they broadcast the correct way, UHF. Not sure why channel 2 wanted to stay on VHF. You would think when everybody else was going UHF, they would have gotten on the same bandwagon. Doesn't make sense.
post #11472 of 12043
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Originally Posted by snoopy1954 View Post

All they say at WBBM TV is we will here some news soon. That was back in January 2013. They have been saying that for over a year. Getting old. I now receive CBS via WIFR in Rockford. Put a second antenna in the attic and aimed it at Rockford. No issues, they broadcast the correct way, UHF. Not sure why channel 2 wanted to stay on VHF. You would think when everybody else was going UHF, they would have gotten on the same bandwagon. Doesn't make sense.

By now, there are no open channels in the Chicago market that would allow for WBBM-TV to go to UHF. If WWME-CA weren't still broadcasting an analog signal on RF 23, & being Class A, 23 might be the only open channel in the market. For now, they've had to settle on a fill-in translator on RF 26 for those in the city & a few nearby suburbs (whenever it goes on the air), while those further out will have to make VHF work. Since I'm using outdoor antennas, & my VHF only antenna is optimized for 2-13, WBBM-TV on RF 12 (even when they were on RF 3) comes in fine. Even WLS-TV on RF 7 (while it's still on the air) comes in fine.
post #11473 of 12043
It would seem to me, that WBBM channel 2 has always had issues with a good signal. Even when it was analog, it was tough to get. You would think the brain surgeons over there would have been the first in line to get a UHF channel. Are you telling me that a PBS channel or channel 50 has more pull than a major network like CBS. They just don't have a clue, and power they are using is far less than the other channels. I am surprised they do not have a ratings issue due to this is signal. The only savior to them is cable and satellite. Once those guys get to expensive, more people will want to use the antenna. They should do whatever they can to get to UHF, whether it is buying another channel out. They are in a major market. The U on channel 26 should not be kicking their butts with signal. Just saying.
post #11474 of 12043
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Originally Posted by snoopy1954 View Post

It would seem to me, that WBBM channel 2 has always had issues with a good signal. Even when it was analog, it was tough to get. You would think the brain surgeons over there would have been the first in line to get a UHF channel. Are you telling me that a PBS channel or channel 50 has more pull than a major network like CBS. They just don't have a clue, and power they are using is far less than the other channels. I am surprised they do not have a ratings issue due to this is signal. The only savior to them is cable and satellite. Once those guys get to expensive, more people will want to use the antenna. They should do whatever they can to get to UHF, whether it is buying another channel out. They are in a major market. The U on channel 26 should not be kicking their butts with signal. Just saying.

I forgot where I read it at, but they had tried to acquire WYCC's channel (we know it's non-commercial, but that wouldn't have stopped it from being reallocated to commercial & WBBM-TV's pre-transitional channel of RF 3 to non-commercial), but WYCC supposedly wanted too much money from WBBM-TV. So they backed out of that deal. Had they gone with their original plan to go to RF 11, their coverage would be worse than when they were on RF 3, since RF 11 in Chicago would have to protect WGVU Grand Rapids & WLFI Lafayette, IN, & to a lesser extent, WWTO Lasalle, IL (RF 3 was at 2.8kw while RF 11 would have only been at 1.8kw). I don't know how many people can't get WBBM-TV with an outdoor antenna (one that's actually optimized for VHF, & not solely trying to rely on a 4 or 8 bay antenna), but I believe most of the complaints are from people using indoor antennas. When they were on RF 3, it was a legitimate concern, as 2-6 don't work at all with rabbit ears, or antennas with shorter elements. For 7-13, reception varies with rabbit ears, & outdoor antennas that have elements optimized for 7-13, it usually isn't a problem. Distance from the downtown area also plays a role in how well you can get a station too. I don't know how far you are from Chicago, but I'm about 30 miles SE of Chicago in Gary, IN, & I have no problems with full power stations. My problems are certain low power stations:WWME-LD on RF 39 (nulled toward Indiana, & the only one that matters to me), W25DW-D on RF 25 (not that it matters, though my mom likes it, but it has an even sharper null toward Indiana), WPVN-CD on RF 20 (somewhat important, but the null is that sharp in my direction, & future interference may pop up if WUVI-LD on RF 20 signs on from Merrillville on a Lafayette area license), & WCHU-LD on RF 33 (not important, but TV Fool shows coverage being strong, but it doesn't come in, due to interference from WEDE-CA, since that station still broadcasts an analog signal).
post #11475 of 12043
My impression was that WBBM's original digital channel was 3 because they wanted it, because they couldn't see past the lower power bills.  They probably planned to move it to 2 on transition day until they found out how bad VHF-low reception was and settled reluctantly for VHF-high.
post #11476 of 12043
Thread Starter 
They had no choice by the FCC rules *unless* they negotiated with another station. WYCC wanted too much...it was literally tens of millions of dollars (I cannot recall the exact amount), but WBBM said no. WGBO 66.1 wanted 38, and 12 as a backup if someone got 38. Well, as it turns out, WXFT got 38, the FCC let WBBM go out of band. They saw the opening on 12 and got it.

And if repacking occurs, WBBM might very well be on beachfront property.

Gilbert
Edited by sebenste - 3/4/13 at 6:53am
post #11477 of 12043
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Originally Posted by sebenste View Post

They had no choice by the FCC rules *unless* they negotiated with another station. WYCC wanted too much...it was literally tens of millions of dollars (I cannot recall the exact amount), but WBBM said no. WXFT 60.1 wanted 38, and 12 as a backup if someone got 38. Well, as it turns out, WXFT got 38, the FCC let WBBM go out of band. They saw the opening on 12 and got it.

And if repacking occurs, WBBM might very well be on beachfront property.

Gilbert

Gilbert -- What you and dave73 is very interesting and I wasn't aware of hurdles that CBS would have needed to jump to end up with a UHF. Did they ever consider negotiating with WJYS? I would think that Javon could have been persuaded back prior to 2009 of the benefits of power savings on the VHF band, whether it be RF-3 or, at things turned out, RF-12.

But, as you so correctly evaluated, WBBM may have the last laugh especially if a very aggressive repacking plan emerges. And should that come to pass, thin of the huge investment by ABC to move to 44, a frequency almost certain to vanish under all of the proposals being floated.

Fascinating stuff and thanks to both of you for filling in some of the gaps. I've read all 11,000+ posts in this thread but must've overlooked the potential for WYCC to become involved.
post #11478 of 12043
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by re_nelson View Post

Gilbert -- What you and dave73 is very interesting and I wasn't aware of hurdles that CBS would have needed to jump to end up with a UHF. Did they ever consider negotiating with WJYS? I would think that Javon could have been persuaded back prior to 2009 of the benefits of power savings on the VHF band, whether it be RF-3 or, at things turned out, RF-12.

But, as you so correctly evaluated, WBBM may have the last laugh especially if a very aggressive repacking plan emerges. And should that come to pass, thin of the huge investment by ABC to move to 44, a frequency almost certain to vanish under all of the proposals being floated.

Fascinating stuff and thanks to both of you for filling in some of the gaps. I've read all 11,000+ posts in this thread but must've overlooked the potential for WYCC to become involved.

I don't know if they ever did negotiate with WJYS or another station. Having said that, their only recourse now...and I think it is coming...is to get much higher power levels for VHF-LO and HI (channels 2-13). Across the board, they are WAY too low. The FCC really blew it there.
post #11479 of 12043
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Originally Posted by sebenste View Post

I don't know if they ever did negotiate with WJYS or another station. Having said that, their only recourse now...and I think it is coming...is to get much higher power levels for VHF-LO and HI (channels 2-13). Across the board, they are WAY too low. The FCC really blew it there.

I think we all were guilty of having "irrational exuberance" about how DTV would perform on VHF in general and high VHF in particular. Gilbert, don't hate me for this. smile.gif But go back to post #5193 in this thread (as proof that I really did read the whole thing, every one of 'em a few months back). Both you and WBBMTOM were anticipating great things concerning what WBBM-TV's performance would be on RF-12. At that time, pre-transition, 8 kw at ~1660' was thought to be one of the more potent facilities in Chicagoland.

And then...as it has a tendency to do, reality struck on that fateful day of June 12, 2009. The great thing (or maybe the bad thing) about AVS is that all of the posts live forever and we all end up eating crow when our prophecies don't come to pass. I just funnin' with you, Gilbert, in a good natured way on this subject. The poor soul whose sky-high expectations came crashing down on the big day was Hank Volpe of ABC's WPVI in Philadelphia:
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Philadelphia is another DMA where ch. 6 will hang around after the transition. Hank Volpe, vice president and director of engineering at WPVI-TV there said that his new Harris 8 kW digital transmitter isn't "breaking a sweat" in providing full DTV service.

"Our original allocation was for 3.81 kW ERP," Volpe said. "We went up as far as we could without causing interference problems—to 7.56 kW ERP. Right now I'm putting a shade under 4 kW from the transmitter into a standby antenna. When we make the switch to the main antenna I'll only need 1.7 kW. I'm not operating a transmitter; I'm running a hair dryer."

Ch. 6 interference issues don't seem particularly worrisome to Volpe, noting that initial testing at "realistic power levels" indicates that future DTV operations will go smoothly.

[WHOOPS!]

"We were a little worried about some of the ridges north and west of here, and manmade interference, but we've done some testing at night and have been pretty successful," he said. "The reception in the counties we serve has been good."

http://www.tvtechnology.com/news/0110/tv-and-the-mystique-of-channel-/201146

...all of which proves that there's the mystery of voodoo, which is trumped only by the black magic of RF! smile.gif
Edited by re_nelson - 3/2/13 at 10:50pm
post #11480 of 12043
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Originally Posted by sebenste View Post

They had no choice by the FCC rules *unless* they negotiated with another station. WYCC wanted too much...it was literally tens of millions of dollars (I cannot recall the exact amount), but WBBM said no. WXFT 60.1 wanted 38, and 12 as a backup if someone got 38. Well, as it turns out, WXFT got 38, the FCC let WBBM go out of band. They saw the opening on 12 and got it.

And if repacking occurs, WBBM might very well be on beachfront property.

Gilbert

When I looked up this info on rabbitears.info, WXFT actually picked RF 50 as their choice for their final channel (pre-transitional channel was RF 59), with RF 38 as a fallback.

It was WGBO that requested RF 38 for their final channel (pre-transitional channel was RF 53), with RF 12 as a fallback.

Univision got the channels they wanted.

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Originally Posted by sebenste View Post

I don't know if they ever did negotiate with WJYS or another station. Having said that, their only recourse now...and I think it is coming...is to get much higher power levels for VHF-LO and HI (channels 2-13). Across the board, they are WAY too low. The FCC really blew it there.

I don't think WBBM-TV even bothered looking at WJYS during the pre-transitional digital days, since WJYS had a signal that forced them to put a sharp null toward Milwaukee, in order to protect WMVT Milwaukee (who had an analog signal on RF 36). WJYS broadcasts on RF 36, & at that time, could not send their signal to the north. So had WBBM-TV gone on RF 36 back then. they would have had just as bad coverage as their RF 3 signal was getting. If WBBM-TV did look at WJYS back then, they have chosen not to pursue WJYS, because WJYS is licensed to Hammond, Indiana, & not Chicago. I don't know if the FCC would have allowed for RF 36 to be reallocated to Chicago, & RF 3 to Hammond. I forgot to mention, WJYS's coverage prior to June 12th 2009 was terrible in NW Indiana. Their signal was always breaking up for 50kw, all aimed to the south, until sometime in 2010. WJYS's coverage did improve once they upgraded to 145kw, & knocked out most of the nulls. Before June 12th, 2009, WBBM-TV on RF 3 came in better on my DTV box than WJYS did.
post #11481 of 12043
As the broadcaster on RF24 is no longer calling it "WRKJ-LD" in the PSIP names, I'll yield and refer to it as WRJK-LP as the FCC filings do.

Meanwhile, there seem to be infomercials (or color bars some of the time on .5) on the remaining channels, and the PSIP names are now

22.1: 22-1
22.2: 22.2
22.3: 22-3
22.4: 22.4
22.5: 22.5
22.6: 22.8

Why some PSIP names have a hyphen and some a decimal point, or why 22.6's is "22.8," I have no guess.
post #11482 of 12043
Did anyone else totally lose the center channel on WMAQ?
I'm watching the Blackhawk game, and the center just totally has gone away, and the audio is cutting in and out.
(Via Comcast)
post #11483 of 12043
It was off most of the break, but it came back now.
post #11484 of 12043
I have noticed that when WMAQ has something that is only 2.0, it's truly 2.0, with the middle speaker giving you nothing (my receiver is set to not enhance 5.1 audio). I've noticed it with Leno, and also the local news, although some of the commercials do have center channel audio.
post #11485 of 12043
W25DW-D has replaced Punch TV programming for HSN competitor QVC on 25.4. Just discovered it a few hours ago.
post #11486 of 12043
Is was Wiseguy before QVC.
post #11487 of 12043
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by dave73 View Post

When I looked up this info on rabbitears.info, WXFT actually picked RF 50 as their choice for their final channel (pre-transitional channel was RF 59), with RF 38 as a fallback.

It was WGBO that requested RF 38 for their final channel (pre-transitional channel was RF 53), with RF 12 as a fallback.

Univision got the channels they wanted.
I don't think WBBM-TV even bothered looking at WJYS during the pre-transitional digital days, since WJYS had a signal that forced them to put a sharp null toward Milwaukee, in order to protect WMVT Milwaukee (who had an analog signal on RF 36). WJYS broadcasts on RF 36, & at that time, could not send their signal to the north. So had WBBM-TV gone on RF 36 back then. they would have had just as bad coverage as their RF 3 signal was getting. If WBBM-TV did look at WJYS back then, they have chosen not to pursue WJYS, because WJYS is licensed to Hammond, Indiana, & not Chicago. I don't know if the FCC would have allowed for RF 36 to be reallocated to Chicago, & RF 3 to Hammond. I forgot to mention, WJYS's coverage prior to June 12th 2009 was terrible in NW Indiana. Their signal was always breaking up for 50kw, all aimed to the south, until sometime in 2010. WJYS's coverage did improve once they upgraded to 145kw, & knocked out most of the nulls. Before June 12th, 2009, WBBM-TV on RF 3 came in better on my DTV box than WJYS did.

I stand corrected, that was WGBO, not WXFT, my bad...that was a mess to keep track of (and still remember!). Univision indeed got what they wanted. As for WJYS, they not only increased their power, but got a new, less directional antenna that indeed took out many of the nulls. Before the analog shutdown, they had to protect one of the PBS stations in Milwaukee.

Gilbert
post #11488 of 12043
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Originally Posted by csworldwide1 View Post

W25DW-D has replaced Punch TV programming for HSN competitor QVC on 25.4. Just discovered it a few hours ago.
Also, they've relabeled SonLife on 25.3 from "SonLife" to "SBN" and Almavision on 25.6 from "ALMA" to "ALMAVIS."  Wizebuy is back on 25.7 but it comes in only in black and white on both of the tuners where I can receive it.  Also, TVC+ on 25.2 has had nothing but silent color bars for a few days now.

It's unexpected for the same station to carry both HSN and QVC, but they do.
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Originally Posted by mgsports View Post

Is was Wiseguy before QVC.
No, it was Punch, but in the past it had been Wisebuy with a B.  Now there's a Wizebuy with a Z (and a B) on 25.7.
post #11489 of 12043
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Originally Posted by sebenste View Post

...and I think it is coming...

 

I'd tend to disagree.

 

If they change at all, I see the bigger, higher-powered station's levels heading in a downwards direction in the future.

post #11490 of 12043

Chicago OTA - why can't I receive Univsion or WTTW???

Hi ... I used to be able to receive these channels just fine (60.1, 66.1, and 11.1). Then all of a sudden they just stopped. I can still received NBC (5.1) and ABC (7.1) just fine, and the funny thing is that according to antennapoint.com, they are all on the same heading (with the exception of 66.1).

Thoughts?
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