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post #11551 of 12036
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Originally Posted by juergenrusnak View Post

Is Channel 22 WRKJ broadcasting anything. When I rescanned my TVs and DVRs for Channel 7 going dark, the tuners found Channel 22. But whenever I tune there, I get no signal. If the station is licensed to Arlington Heights and is broadcasting from the Hancock, I should be able to receive it in Des Plaines. I have no problem getting a great signal on all the other low powers (except 25) in the Chicago area with my outdoor antenna pointing downtown. Any ideas?

Yep, there's something weird going on with 22.

The tuners in both my Samsung TV's pick it up OK - but an old Pro Brand 3150 HD tuner that I have shows no picture/no sound on 22.1 - 22.6. It scans it OK and shows signal strength, there's just no picture/sound when I tune to those channels. This same tuner has problems with those pesky hidden/encrypted subchannels on 38 so I just assumed it was because the tuner was old / incompatible.

One other interesting thing - right now 22.5 is showing a badly distorted Windows 7 desktop with some sort of HP property page displayed.
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Since WLS left 7, guess who finally wants to move to that allotment? This LP friend.

I can't say I didn't see this coming.
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If the FCC grants this one to Venture Technologies, they better make sure they get Class A status, rather than simply LP status. That is what got them bumped off of RF 44 in the first place. I heard that people got them better on RF 44 than on current, RF 33. I only got them once on RF 33, & that was because WEDE-CA was off the air. Even at 3kw, I expect to get them on RF 7 than on RF 33 at 15kw, which get interference.
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Thread Starter 
The FCC doesn't grant anyone class "A" status unless it is requested. That's up to Venture.
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Neither my Samsung nor Sony TVs show anything on Channel 22 even though it shows up when scanning. The DVRs are all Magnavox and it's the same thing there, shows up when scanning, but nothing there when tuned to the station.
post #11556 of 12036
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Originally Posted by sebenste View Post

The FCC doesn't grant anyone class "A" status unless it is requested. That's up to Venture.

I'm not sure what you meant, but when I said "they", I meant Venture Technologies. Venture Technologies already got bumped off RF 44, because Pappas Broadcasting decided to change then WWAZ (now WIWN) from RF 44 to RF 5, making RF 44 available as a full power channel in the Chicago market, & WCHU-LD didn't have Class A status.

As for WLS-TV, I still have problems here & there with pixilation. I still stand firm that RF 43 & RF 44 aren't filtered properly up on the Sears Tower, since those are the 2 stations I still have problems with to this day (RF 43 primarily at night, & RF 44 at all hours). When WLS-TV was running RF 44 from the John Hancock, I had better reception, but people in the western suburbs had problems from what I heard.
post #11557 of 12036
There was a list of Class A eligible to LPTVs around 2000 and there was a single window opened to convert LPTV stations to Class A. If WCHU-LP was not on the list then, it cannot become Class A now.

- Trip
post #11558 of 12036
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by dave73 View Post

I'm not sure what you meant, but when I said "they", I meant Venture Technologies. Venture Technologies already got bumped off RF 44, because Pappas Broadcasting decided to change then WWAZ (now WIWN) from RF 44 to RF 5, making RF 44 available as a full power channel in the Chicago market, & WCHU-LD didn't have Class A status.

As for WLS-TV, I still have problems here & there with pixilation. I still stand firm that RF 43 & RF 44 aren't filtered properly up on the Sears Tower, since those are the 2 stations I still have problems with to this day (RF 43 primarily at night, & RF 44 at all hours). When WLS-TV was running RF 44 from the John Hancock, I had better reception, but people in the western suburbs had problems from what I heard.

Yep, I meant Venture, sorry I didn't make that clear to you. As for WLS...

I have over a half dozen installs of antennas around the metro Chicago area, and none have had problems with 43 or 44. They have had some issues with 12 (WBBM), but...sigh...I can't do antenna miracles. Those with the issues with WBBM are in Aurora and beyond. But WLS...my signal meter is pegged on 44, and is very high on the meter on 43. I also have a pegging signal on 42 from the 900 kw WQRF in Rockford. And, a near peg on 45, WSNS. None of those stations ever give me any issues except on extreme tropospheric ducting, or "skip" days.
post #11559 of 12036
Thread Starter 
By the way, one other thing about WLS: By design of most antennas, channels between 41 and 48 (or so) seem to have more difficulty with multipath. I wonder if that is the issue you are experiencing? One thing I do is get oversized antennas, even for close-in signals. Why? Because the FCC and great sites like Tvfool only (and correctly) show what your signals levels are likely to be under ideal weather conditions. The FCC doesn't take those, or buildings, or trees when determining signal strength. Those charts assume there isn't but grass between you and the transmitter when they make those, because they assume your antenna is 30 up', away from all obstructions. Of course, in the real world... :-|
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Is there any idea what will be offered by Venture on RF44? Will it be more spanish language programming ?
post #11561 of 12036
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Originally Posted by alnielsen View Post

Is there any idea what will be offered by Venture on RF44? Will it be more spanish language programming ?

They started out on RF 44 back in early 2009, but got bumped off when WLS-TV learned that then WWAZ changed their station from RF 44 to RF 5. That made RF 44 available as a full power channel in Chicago. Since WCHU-LD did not have Class A status, they were forced off that channel. They had to settle for RF 33, which gets interference, & not receivable in most of the market. I got it one time in Gary, IN, & that was only because WEDE-CA was off the air, & WCHU-LD came in. What I saw for that only time was Azteca America on the main channel, 61.1, & 61.2 & 61.3 being Chinese programming from CCTV.
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Originally Posted by sebenste View Post

By the way, one other thing about WLS: By design of most antennas, channels between 41 and 48 (or so) seem to have more difficulty with multipath. I wonder if that is the issue you are experiencing? One thing I do is get oversized antennas, even for close-in signals. Why? Because the FCC and great sites like Tvfool only (and correctly) show what your signals levels are likely to be under ideal weather conditions. The FCC doesn't take those, or buildings, or trees when determining signal strength. Those charts assume there isn't but grass between you and the transmitter when they make those, because they assume your antenna is 30 up', away from all obstructions. Of course, in the real world... :-|

I'm currently using an Antennas Direct DB8 (original DB8), & while I still have problems here & there with RF 43 & RF 44, it's not as bad as when I used a Winegard HD9032 antenna, & WLS-TV pixelated & dropped out constantly, & RF 43 only pixelated & dropped out after local sunset (even more so after midnight). That same antenna was not as good at getting RF 39, since it's too directional, & not aligned just right, & it goes out. I could not get my mom's favorite translator on RF 25 with that antenna, but can most of the time with the DB8. The only obstructions between my home & the Sears Tower/John Hancock/AON Center/Trump Tower transmitters are trees. There are no tall buildings in my path on the Indiana side. Regardless of UHF only antenna, RF 43 & RF 44 have been the channels that give me the most problems, with RF 44 being the worst. I will admit that since the DB8 isn't as directional, it has helped at getting some LPTV stations better, including WPVN-CD, which my mom watches Retro TV occasionally & TNN (when there's no pixilation, since I'm outside of their protected contour), WWME-LD on RF 39 (care about this LPTV the most), W25DW-D on RF 25, whatever the call letters are for RF 24 (VC 22), & WESV-LD on RF 40.

There's also a difference between you & me for distance & antennas. You live in DeKalb, & need large antennas. I live in Gary, IN, & large antennas aren't needed for most stations. Most can get away with DB4's & medium yagis for full power UHF stations & medium size antennas for VHF. For LPTV stations in Gary, IN, most need deep fringe antennas with pre-amps in order to get them. Out of all LPTV stations that I get from Chicago, only WDCI-LD on RF 30 & WMEU-CD on RF 32 have strong signals aimed in my direction to not need a pre-amp.
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WBBM Chicago (CHannel 2 Help)

I know Channel 2 in Chicago (CBS) was always tough. I bought a RCA Voxx ANT751 and can't get it even though its a UHF and VHF antenna. Can anyone help? I'm new to a lot of this and watch several shows on Ch. 2. I live like 15-20 south of the city where the TV channel antennas are. Please help!
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I literally don't get it. My rabbit ears work for CBS (chicago ch 2) but the RCA VOXX ANT751 won't! Doesn't make sense! Can anyone help?
post #11564 of 12036
Move the antenna. Try different locations, be persistent.
post #11565 of 12036
Thread Starter 
Sorry, I thought my post went through, but the above one nails it. You'll have to move it around as that antenna doesn't pick up channels 7-13 well. It's just two dipoles, far from perfectly tuned to channel 12, where WBBM broadcasts on.
post #11566 of 12036
Thread Starter 
WSPY-LP channel 30 (broadcasting physically on channel 35) was just sold to a firm in New Jersey for a cool
$6 million:

https://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/cdbsmenu.hts?context=25&appn=101522981&formid=314&fac_num=72078
post #11567 of 12036
LocusPoint is another one of those Spectrum Spectators, who's willing to cash in after the auctions. The FCC just approved WOCH's app to assign the license to another speculator NRJ TV, just the other day. Once those auction comes, those stations will go bye-bye. Any station that gets acquired by NRJ, LocusPoint or OTA Broadcasting, those are the ones that care less about the future of OTA Television. They only care about buying stations left and right so they can see how much money they're going to cash in for those 2014 auctions.

I'm for Over-The-Air Television. I don't want to see any channels go off the grid. But it's going to happen, whether we like it, or not. And its really sad.
post #11568 of 12036
B&C stated today that Tribune Broadcasting will be taking over operations of Weigel's This TV Network. This TV will also be moving from WCIU-TV's 26.5 subchannel to WGN's subchannel, assuming it will be 9.3.

Weigel, which started this subchannel digi-net in October 2008, will be focusing on its new subchannel Movies!, which will start operating soon on the Fox O&Os, and its big digi-net, Me-TV.

Most Tribune stations carry Antenna TV & This TV on its subchannels.
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Another movie sub channel, Get TV, is suppose to start this fall on 66.2 locally. It will provide classic movies from Sony Pictures.
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/493011-Sony_Pictures_Television_Launches_Entertainment_Digi_Net_getTV_.php
post #11570 of 12036
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Originally Posted by sebenste View Post

WSPY-LP channel 30 (broadcasting physically on channel 35) was just sold to a firm in New Jersey for a cool
$6 million:

https://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/cdbsmenu.hts?context=25&appn=101522981&formid=314&fac_num=72078

Assuming they keep WSPY-LP on the air, hopefully they will do something to make the channel watchable. In its current state, the video is a mess.
post #11571 of 12036
Thread Starter 
The switcher they have is an analog one dating back to the 1730s. OK, not quite that far, but I believe it's from the 1980s. When it took a lightning hit
a few years ago, you saw hum bars and other goodness, and it's been getting worse ever since. You can bet it won't be replaced now.
post #11572 of 12036
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Originally Posted by csworldwide1 View Post

B&C stated today that Tribune Broadcasting will be taking over operations of Weigel's This TV Network. This TV will also be moving from WCIU-TV's 26.5 subchannel to WGN's subchannel, assuming it will be 9.3.

Weigel, which started this subchannel digi-net in October 2008, will be focusing on its new subchannel Movies!, which will start operating soon on the Fox O&Os, and its big digi-net, Me-TV.

Most Tribune stations carry Antenna TV & This TV on its subchannels.
If it does become 9.3, let's hope WGN updates their compression box (or whatever fancy name you call it.) AntennaTV already looks like crap. If WCIU can get 1 HD and 4 SD without looking so bad, why can't WGN do that with just 1 HD and 1 SD?
post #11573 of 12036
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Originally Posted by andyross63 View Post

AntennaTV already looks like crap. If WCIU can get 1 HD and 4 SD without looking so bad, why can't WGN do that with just 1 HD and 1 SD?
Part of the explanation is that WCIU's HD is 720p while WGN's is 1080i, so 9.1 needs more bits than 26.1, but I'm sure it goes beyond that.
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I have a good feeling, since This will be gone (and that's truthfully sad too), WCIU would probably replace This TV for Bounce TV on that 26.5 slot. But if you read that article, it says that it's now 'creating on a news-focused multi-platform product'. I hope its not a new subchannel derived by its show, First Business. Weigel did The Stock Market Observer for several years on 26.
post #11575 of 12036
I'd certainly love to see an OTA news channel of some kind. I am hopeful Weigel can deliver something in that area that is worthwhile.

- Trip
post #11576 of 12036
I just read an article from Chicagoland Radio and Media that Movies! will be aired on WPWR 50.2, not WFLD 32.2.
post #11577 of 12036
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Originally Posted by csworldwide1 View Post

I just read an article from Chicagoland Radio and Media that Movies! will be aired on WPWR 50.2, not WFLD 32.2.
I think someone said so earlier, or I saw it in another thread.

The question for us is whether it will be on RF31 or RF51: that is to say, whether WFLD or WPWR is sacrificing the bits.
post #11578 of 12036
lets hope that when this tv moves to 9.3 wgn does something to get rid of the multipath problem that they have in the summer months ...
post #11579 of 12036
does any know when wbbm might get it sub station so to speak... and is anything going on with our favorite infomercial channel channel 62.... or more infomercials or religious programs on 3 channels
post #11580 of 12036
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Originally Posted by dattier View Post

I think someone said so earlier, or I saw it in another thread.

The question for us is whether it will be on RF31 or RF51: that is to say, whether WFLD or WPWR is sacrificing the bits.

I'm checking a source about that, right now.
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