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post #11671 of 12036
Did anybody pick up south bend stations last Friday (late) night? Picked up south bend cbs and Abc that was fading also pickup a Bloomington normal station using a indoor omnidirectional antenna with several signal boosters (amp) I thing on Friday late nights the broadcasters put out more power for the tv towers
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Originally Posted by ryadoggy1987 View Post

Did anybody pick up south bend stations last Friday (late) night? Picked up south bend cbs and Abc that was fading also pickup a Bloomington normal station using a indoor omnidirectional antenna with several signal boosters (amp) I thing on Friday late nights the broadcasters put out more power for the tv towers

i didnt notice anything last friday but WSBT ch. 22.x CBS from south bend, ind (which is on on rf 22, i think) is booming in here (near midway airport) right now...also WNDU 16.x south bend NBC (on rf 42, i think) is making it but it is about 10 to 15% weaker....

i'm calling it 'booming' in because i am using a small attic antenna and i seldom ever see any tropo dx signals....

all the chicago channels, including almost all the low power stations and even WYIN 56.x PBS (35 miles away) from merrilville, ind, make it into my attic extremely well...and none are below the pixellation threshold of my DTVPal cecb tuner....so dont hesitate to try an attic antenna before u go to all the hassle/expense/danger of a rooftop antenna....an attic antenna will last forever...it will never corrode/decay due to weather or birds ....or attract a lightning strike....

and lastly, i am sure no broadcaster increases their power on friday nights (or at any other time)...,,the fcc would not allow that...
post #11673 of 12036
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Originally Posted by dattier View Post

Does the New York market or the Los Angeles market have one?  Not challenging, just asking.
Plus, it has weather only for a couple programming slots a day.  As Dave73 said,

ok, i didnt mean to imply other big markets had a weather sub-channel....but i was thinking of all the much smaller markets that i know do have one....like south bend, ind....rockford, il, etc, etc....i'll bet there are several dozen more around the country, at least...and chicago had 2 good ones before the bs korporate klown thinking at ch 7 and ch 5 dropped them years ago....

as for WEATHER NATION, it isnt terrible...they rotate a 2 or 3 hour block of weather and then a 2 or 3 hour block of info-mercials thru the day and night...

yes, the block of info-mercials sucks but if thats what they have to do to pay for it, its ok with me....its a hell of a lot better than the big fat zero of weather sub-channels we get from every other chicago broadcaster....and WEATHER NATION's local weather coverage is very good, with live announcers and not too abbreviated....lots of good info, really....
post #11674 of 12036
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Originally Posted by pm3839 View Post

ok....since you asked >

its INsane....its yet another sad example of worthless crap and a tragic waste of broadcast spectrum space...the fcc should be ashamed/embarrassed/castrated/etc/etc to allow such profiteering commercial/info-mercial garbage on the public airwaves....

what we in the chicago tv broadcast market really need is a weather channel of some sort since the greedy idiots at ch 7 and ch 5 dropped their weather sub-channels a few years years ago....we are in the 3rd largest usa tv market and we have no weather channel! in this digital age of plentiful easily created sub-channels that is pathetic! i'm amazed that WEIGEL (owner of ch's 26, 23 and 48) has not done something here.....

i know there is a good weather channel on ch 13.4 (WEATHER NATION) but its such an incredibly weak signal that i bet most people can not get it...plus its on low band vhf so that makes it even tougher to receive in several important ways....i'm hoping they can move up to uhf (or even hi-band vhf would be a big improvement, i bet) and at a decent power level...

I'm going to mostly agree on this one. I still have no idea why there are 2 versions of Livwell on 7.2 and 7.3. What a waste there. 13.4 is OK, but the signal on that station is pathetic. It's not easy to pull in. I think they'd be better served as a LP translator on RF 7 or 9. RF 4 is a horrendous channel. I would like to tune to a local channel when a storm is moving in. Hell, the station could throw school closings on there too. While we're on the topic of stupidity, I still don't get why CLTV is just on Comcast. There are plenty of us who have DirecTV or Dish network who would never get comcast but would like CLTV. So, this exclusive thing isn't getting them anywhere. If anything it's revenue lost they could be getting by higher billing rates for ads with more people watching. CLTV is an ideal channel that should be OTA. How many $/subscriber are they getting from Comcast?
post #11675 of 12036
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Originally Posted by swiat View Post

I still have no idea why there are 2 versions of Livwell on 7.2 and 7.3. What a waste there.
The same goes for 20.1 and 20.2, and for 60.1 and 60.2.  Any ATSC setup that can pull in and decode an ATSC signal can downsample HD to SD for an SD display.
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While we're on the topic of stupidity, I still don't get why CLTV is just on Comcast.
Doesn't Comcast own half or more than half of CLTV?  It's not available other ways because they think it will lure people to open accounts with Comcast.  Short-sighted?  Sure.  Surprising?  Nope.
post #11676 of 12036
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Originally Posted by swiat View Post

I'm going to mostly agree on this one. I still have no idea why there are 2 versions of Livwell on 7.2 and 7.3. What a waste there
Remember that 7.2 is HD. They created the SD copy for cable and (probably) satellite users that don't have HD. Since they already carried 7.3, WLS instantly gained thousands of new possible viewers.
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Originally Posted by andyross63 View Post

Remember that 7.2 is HD. They created the SD copy for cable and (probably) satellite users that don't have HD. Since they already carried 7.3, WLS instantly gained thousands of new possible viewers.
Except that there are many other OTA channels that are broadcast only in HD, including WLS's own 7.1, and cable and satellite companies still provide those (downrezzed to SD for customers who don't pay for HD service from them).  Why do LiveWell, MundoFox, WYCC, and WXFT have to have separate OTA channels for HD and SD while so many others manage with only HD for their OTA signals?  [OK, maybe for MundoFox there's the reason that SD was the only way to get onto a full-power station, but that still leaves the other three unexplained.]  WTTW and WYIN used to simulcast in HD and SD and they've both stopped with no dire consequences.
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From what I understand, WLS does this because they wrote some bad cable contracts that basically allowed the cable company to carry Live Well HD in HD, but then not in SD for those without HD boxes. But the agreement said to carry the 7-3 in SD, so they mirrored Live Well there to get around it.

I would hope that once all their bad cable deals expire and are replaced with newer ones, they can kill the simulcast.

- Trip
post #11679 of 12036
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Originally Posted by dattier View Post

Except that there are many other OTA channels that are broadcast only in HD, including WLS's own 7.1, and cable and satellite companies still provide those (downrezzed to SD for customers who don't pay for HD service from them).  Why do LiveWell, MundoFox, WYCC, and WXFT have to have separate OTA channels for HD and SD while so many others manage with only HD for their OTA signals?  [OK, maybe for MundoFox there's the reason that SD was the only way to get onto a full-power station, but that still leaves the other three unexplained.]  WTTW and WYIN used to simulcast in HD and SD and they've both stopped with no dire consequences.

The only reason WYIN discontinued their simulcast is because they could never find alternate programming for 56.2 (720p) & 56.4 widescreen SD). They only got a 24 hour children's channel programmed on 56.3, & carry it in widescreen SD. They simply decided to make 56.1 1080i HD, rather than 720p. Once The Indiana Channel has enough programming available, WYIN may revisit the plan to have another subchannel available, though it might require them to downgrade back to 720p to have a good picture. I just hope next time, that they avoid dual HD. I still wish that they carried the main East Coast PBS feed on a subchannel, or even carry World 24/7, so that maybe WTTW might drop the network, & carry Create 24/7 again. For WYCC, they could make good use of their .2 channel for children's programming & College instructional programming. The instructional programming airs during the hours that children's programming is on the main channel, & children's programming in the afternoon & early evening hours, & could even have some instructional programming on in the evening hours too. I miss the nightly public domain movies that they used to air at 2am (when I couldn't sleep), though they still carry the movies on Friday night into Saturday morning & Saturday night into Sunday morning. They stopped the nightly public domain movie, & moved the instructional programming to the overnight hours, just so they could increase their children's programming to exceed the 3 hours a week E/I requirements (done so that any programming Mhz Worldview thinks is E/I, but might not be under the FCC, WYCC has themselves covered with the extra E/I programming on the main channel)
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

From what I understand, WLS does this because they wrote some bad cable contracts that basically allowed the cable company to carry Live Well HD in HD, but then not in SD for those without HD boxes. But the agreement said to carry the 7-3 in SD, so they mirrored Live Well there to get around it.

I would hope that once all their bad cable deals expire and are replaced with newer ones, they can kill the simulcast.

- Trip

It's not just WLS-TV, but all ABC O&O stations doing the simulcast of their .2 channel in HD on .3 in SD.
Edited by dave73 - 8/10/13 at 1:12am
post #11680 of 12036
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Originally Posted by dave73 View Post

It's not just WLS-TV, but all ABC O&O stations doing the simulcast of their .2 channel in HD on .3 in SD.

Cable companies and station owners typically negotiate carriage agreements for all a station owner's stations. Look at what's happening with Time Warner and CBS.
post #11681 of 12036
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Originally Posted by dave73 View Post

The only reason WYIN discontinued their simulcast …
The question is not why they discontinued it but why they ever had it, and why WTTW had had it, and why WXFT and WYCC still do.

That's without counting LiveWell (Trip reported an explanation for that) or MundoFox (I mentioned a wild-rump guess theory for that).

There was a time when Univisión had SD simulcasts of WXFT and WGBO on each other's channels as backups after an incident where one's transmitter went out; but they stopped that of WGBO and moved WXFT's to the same frequency and signal as WXFT-HD, where it doesn't help in case of a transmitter failure.
post #11682 of 12036
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Originally Posted by dattier View Post

The question is not why they discontinued it but why they ever had it, and why WTTW had had it, and why WXFT and WYCC still do.

That's without counting LiveWell (Trip reported an explanation for that) or MundoFox (I mentioned a wild-rump guess theory for that).

There was a time when Univisión had SD simulcasts of WXFT and WGBO on each other's channels as backups after an incident where one's transmitter went out; but they stopped that of WGBO and moved WXFT's to the same frequency and signal as WXFT-HD, where it doesn't help in case of a transmitter failure.

WYIN initially had simulcasts for testing purposes (when they upgraded to HD), with the intention of offering separate programming on the subchannels. They also wanted to run dual HD, which didn't work out too well for them (still doesn't work too well for ABC, since Livewell in HD looks horrible). For WYIN, they only got one channel programmed that isn't a simulcast. For now, their simulcast is done, & they simply decided to go 1080i on the main channel, though it might not have been needed.

Since I never watched much DTV before April 2009 (when I got the outdoor antenna hooked up, & hooked up the converter boxes, though 1 TV was replaced with an HDTV last year), I never knew WTTW had a simulcast. The TV tuner card I was using on an old Compaq Presario (card was bought in 2006) with a crappy antenna made for semis, did not pick up many channels from Chicago. With that crappy antenna, I only got RF 17, 19, 29 (sometimes), 36 (though it pixelated a lot), 51, & out of core channels 53 & 59, since they were on enough power to decode. I do know that WYIN was simulcasting the former Create subchannel, after WYIN dropped Create for cost reasons (not sure which subchanel it was, since the tuner card didn't list channels at all, just what stations called their channels. Once that same tuner card was hooked to a real outdoor antenna (the old-fashion element antenna), it picked up all full power stations, including WBBM-TV on RF 3. Supposedly, Univision will end the simulcast on 60.2 when they start carrying Get TV. Not sure what it would take for WYCC to end their SD simulcast.
post #11683 of 12036
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Originally Posted by dave73 View Post

For now, [WYIN's] simulcast is done,
Yes; that's why I spoke of it in the past tense.
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I never knew WTTW had a simulcast.
Before it was replaced with WTTW Prime, 11.2 and 11.1 were the same content in, if I remember right, HD on 11.2 and SD on 11.1, but that may have transposed to the more common HD on .1 setup a while before the SD simulcast was discontinued and 11.2 became WTTW Prime.
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Supposedly, Univision will end the simulcast on 60.2 when they start carrying Get TV.
Get TV?  Hadn't heard of it, much less that it will be on 60.2.  I'll check into it.
post #11684 of 12036
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Originally Posted by dattier View Post

Yes; that's why I spoke of it in the past tense.
Before it was replaced with WTTW Prime, 11.2 and 11.1 were the same content in, if I remember right, HD on 11.2 and SD on 11.1, but that may have transposed to the more common HD on .1 setup a while before the SD simulcast was discontinued and 11.2 became WTTW Prime.
Get TV?  Hadn't heard of it, much less that it will be on 60.2.  I'll check into it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GetTV
It's internet site isn't up yet, but here it is anyway.
http://gettvchannel.com/
post #11685 of 12036
Thank you; I hadn't done the intended checking-into yet, so that helped.

Let's hope that WXFT's SD simulcast just goes away when GetTV starts and isn't bumped to 60.3 or 66.2.  I personally also hope that Comcast will carry it from the start, since my OTA reception of WXFT is not so good.

That will still leave WYCC as an HD station with an SD simulcast in the Chicago market, besides LiveWell and MundoFox.
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Originally Posted by dattier View Post

Thank you; I hadn't done the intended checking-into yet, so that helped.

Let's hope that WXFT's SD simulcast just goes away when GetTV starts and isn't bumped to 60.3 or 66.2.  I personally also hope that Comcast will carry it from the start, since my OTA reception of WXFT is not so good.

That will still leave WYCC as an HD station with an SD simulcast in the Chicago market, besides LiveWell and MundoFox.

Unlike MundoFox, which is simulcasting on a different RF channel (RF 51, WPWR-TV 50.3, with the main channel being on RF 4, WOCK-CD 13.1, which most people don't get), the other 2 are simulcasting on the same RF channel. If you think about it, Weigel simulcasts MeTV & MeToo as well (MeTV's main channel being WWME-LD 23.1 & simulcasting on both 23.3, & WCIU 26.3, & MeToo's main channel is WMEU-CD 48.1, & simulcasting on WCIU 26.4).
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Originally Posted by dave73 View Post

Unlike MundoFox, which is simulcasting on a different RF channel … the other 2 are simulcasting on the same RF channel.
And that's why MundoFox is a different question from LiveWell, WYCC, or WXFT.
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If you think about it, Weigel simulcasts MeTV & MeToo as well …
Me TV on 23.1, 23.3, and 26.3 are all in SD, and MeToo on 26.4 and 48.1 are both in SD, so that's a different question yet.  In fact, for all I know Me TV on 23.1 and 23.3 could be a single data stream PSIPped to two different minor channels.
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Originally Posted by dattier View Post

In fact, for all I know Me TV on 23.1 and 23.3 could be a single data stream PSIPped to two different minor channels.

That is exactly the case.

- Trip
post #11689 of 12036
Perhaps I missed some sort of announcement but how long has channel 61.1 (WCHU)? been broadcasting Azteca in 720P HD? I just noticed this last night as I was scanning through Chicago stations.
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Originally Posted by retromzc View Post

Perhaps I missed some sort of announcement but how long has channel 61.1 (WCHU)? been broadcasting Azteca in 720P HD? I just noticed this last night as I was scanning through Chicago stations.

It must have happened not too long ago. My HDTV is the only TV that can pick up & decode their signal without a problem. My converter boxes (Magnavox mode #TB100MW9) can't pick it up, & TS Reader Lite on my laptop can pick up the signal, but can't decode it, due to lots of interference from WEDE-CA on analog RF 34, & possibly from WMEU-CD on RF 32. I know when I scanned the HDTV 3 weeks ago, they were still in SD. Even WESV-LD on RF 40 went 720p HD not too long ago (at least 2 months ago). TS Reader can pick up that one from time to time, & can decode it.
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Yes, I happened to catch a brief look at WESV-LD in 720P a few weeks ago when Waubonsee College's digital station which also broadcasts on rf 40 was down for a couple of days. The only time I can receive WESV-LD is when rf 40 from Sugar Grove is down. I don't understand why two channels on the same frequency within 50 miles of each other is allowed even if both are low power stations. I can't pick up either one of them when they are both broadcasting at the same time.
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Getv channel launch October 2013
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GetTV
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Non-mobile version of page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GetTV
post #11694 of 12036
So, it is still accurate that you need a combo (VHF/UHF) antenna to get CBS? I saw the post from the beginning of this thread but i'm not sure if it still applies?

Off-topic question: I'm moving to a new house and I need to have a coax cable run from my attic for the antenna to the basement. What's the best way to find an installer to do this?

Thanks.
post #11695 of 12036
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Originally Posted by puckfreak View Post

So, it is still accurate that you need a combo (VHF/UHF) antenna to get CBS? I saw the post from the beginning of this thread but i'm not sure if it still applies?

Off-topic question: I'm moving to a new house and I need to have a coax cable run from my attic for the antenna to the basement. What's the best way to find an installer to do this?

Thanks.

I will only answer the question about the antenna. Yes, you still need a VHF-Hi/UHF combo antenna for CBS, since they're the only full power VHF left in Chicago (RF 12), & to my knowledge, they haven't turned on their translator on RF 26. Even if they ever get it built & turned on, Rolling Meadows is in the sharp null, in order to protect WKOW Madison Wisconsin. So when the translator comes on, it's not guaranteed that you'll get it. For me in Gary Indiana, I'm too far to possibly receive a reliable signal, despite the signal being aimed in my direction (the translator is being built on the tower on top of the former WXRT studios, which also broadcasts AM 820 WCPT, & all of CBS Radio's backup FM stations (93.1 WXRT, 96.3 WBBM-FM, 99.5 WUSN, 104.3 WJMK, & 105.9 WCFS-FM). I however wonder if they're waiting to install the antenna for the new translator, because Marcia Cohen had supposedly sold off her translator (W25DW-D) to some speculators, the speculators have no desire to keep their stations they buy on the air. So with a possibility that W25DW-D going off the air, I wonder if CBS will resubmit their application to locate the translator on the Sears Tower again, where it would reach more people than on the short tower on top of the former WXRT studios. The original app. was denied, due to interference with W25DW-D. No antenna for VHF-Lo is needed, unless you want to pick up WOCK-CD on RF 4, & then, you almost always need a pre-amp, & it's now MundoFox on 13.1; for now WOCH-CA on 13.2 (last I remembered, Korean language programming, or a shopping channel); no clue about Veria Living on 13.3; Weather Nation on 13.4, & it's infomercials more than weather (replaced America One); & Soul of the South on 13.5, a competing network to Bounce (replaced Mega TV).
post #11696 of 12036
Great info, thanks Dave. We do get CBS now in our current house, but I just wanted to double-check what I needed when I buy a new one.
post #11697 of 12036
I'm watching WCIU 26.2 now, and it looks like the feed is now 480i 16x9 Widescreen. 26.3-5 is still 480i 4x3. I assume they're probably doing that since they've placing more local (high school, collegiate) sporting events on that feed.
Edited by csworldwide1 - 9/1/13 at 12:27am
post #11698 of 12036
A bit annoying now on UToo. It's also that way on the Comcast feed. The DTA on the one TV just chops it to 4:3, but I'm basically losing horizontal resolution (the full box 'upconverts' 16:9 to HD).

In another issue, has anyone noticed that on WeatherNation, the local forecast with the actual person is often a week or more old? Right now, it looks like it's from August 24. The maps and other graphics after he stops talking are current.
post #11699 of 12036
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Originally Posted by csworldwide1 View Post

I'm watching WCIU 26.2 now, and it looks like the feed is now 480i 16x9 Widescreen. 26.3-5 is still 480i 4x3. I assume they're probably doing that since they've placing more local (high school, collegiate) sporting events on that feed.

I believe Weigel is doing that too, for all the widescreen programming they're showing from 26.1 as well. That way, you're seeing the program the way it's meant to be seen, rather than in window box form. That was what always annoyed me when watching WTTW Prime, & seeing all the programming in window box form. For WTTW, I watch WTTW Prime more than the main WTTW channel, & glad they went 16:9. Eventually, we'll see more stations going 16:9 for their subchannel, if programming is in the 16:9 format.
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Originally Posted by andyross63 View Post

A bit annoying now on UToo. It's also that way on the Comcast feed. The DTA on the one TV just chops it to 4:3, but I'm basically losing horizontal resolution (the full box 'upconverts' 16:9 to HD).

In another issue, has anyone noticed that on WeatherNation, the local forecast with the actual person is often a week or more old? Right now, it looks like it's from August 24. The maps and other graphics after he stops talking are current.

I caught a weather report today, & was not impressed by it. Weather Nation to me does not remind me in any way like the Weather Channel. Most of the time when I pass by 13.4, they're showing infomercials more than weather. Also, WOCK-CD kept pixelating for me, because the temperatures are that high, & not enough power for that station affects it in the summer months. When winter rolls around, it'll be back to normal for me (I never had any problems with WBBM-TV on RF 3 at 2.8kw).
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One of the annoying issues with SD@4:3 and 16:9 is that not all TV's properly auto-change. I have a Sony that does (if I use OTA or ClearQAM), but my Samsung does not. The result is that I ended up with vertically stretched on the Samsung. It's even more annoying on some stations (like Polvision), that air anamorphic 16:9 material, but the broadcast is tagged as 4:3.
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