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post #11701 of 12043
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Originally Posted by andyross63 View Post

One of the annoying issues with SD@4:3 and 16:9 is that not all TV's properly auto-change. I have a Sony that does (if I use OTA or ClearQAM), but my Samsung does not. The result is that I ended up with vertically stretched on the Samsung. It's even more annoying on some stations (like Polvision), that air anamorphic 16:9 material, but the broadcast is tagged as 4:3.

That problem there is with the station itself than with your TV. I've seen the 16:9 stuff when I go past 24.1, 24.2, & even 24.4 (I barely get WPVN-CD from Gary, IN), & it not display properly, & this is on an Insignia TV at my house. Even Soul Of The South on 13.5 doesn't show 16:9 content properly in a 4:3 picture. It requires the station itself, & along with any networks to display the content properly. With TNN for example on 24.2, Luken already isn't showing the content properly, since their content that is in 16:9, has bars on the sides. Then WPVN-CD is also making the problem worse, by squishing it further inward, making stuff look skinny. Same thing was done with Soul Of The South on WOCK-CD.
post #11702 of 12043
Even the big guys sometimes have odd issues. I've seen WYCC (or was it WYIN?) air letterboxed SD in HD (in other words, windowboxed). When it's further reduced for the SD channel on Comcast, you end up with a REALLY tiny picture!
post #11703 of 12043
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Originally Posted by andyross63 View Post

Even the big guys sometimes have odd issues. I've seen WYCC (or was it WYIN?) air letterboxed SD in HD (in other words, windowboxed). When it's further reduced for the SD channel on Comcast, you end up with a REALLY tiny picture!

I've seen it done on both stations, with WYCC displaying it correctly on the SD channel. With WNIT South Bend, I've picked up their station from time to time in Gary, & 34.2 would only display the picture that fits in a 4:3 frame, essentially cutting off whatever is displayed on the left & right sides of the picture (basically, the picture is zoomed in). I don't remember if WNIT stopped the SD simulcast on 34.2 or not (34.2 is supposed to be dedicated to The Indiana Channel). I remember that 34.1 was the HD channel, & 34.2 was the SD simulcast, & all locally produced shows were still in SD & 4:3 (same with WYIN, though they ended their SD simulcast on 56.4, & their dual HD on 56.2, though it was 16:9 SD, except for locally produced shows, which are still 4:3)
post #11704 of 12043
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Originally Posted by dave73 View Post

....., because Marcia Cohen had supposedly sold off her translator (W25DW-D) to some speculators, the speculators have no desire to keep their stations they buy on the air. So with a possibility that W25DW-D going off the air, I wonder if CBS will resubmit their application to locate the translator on the Sears Tower again, where it would reach more people than on the short tower on top of the former WXRT studios. The original app. was denied, due to interference with W25DW-D. .......

i'm not trying to be argumentative or sarcastic or anything else negative but i'm wondering why anyone would want to buy a tv station with the goal or results of it disappearing? wouldnt they either revive it in some form or sell it? either way, it would still be on the air.....

by the way, channel 25 has an excellent signal, especially for a low power station...almost as good as some of the full power channels, in my area.... its really shameful that the FCC allows a broadcaster to waste and pollute the public broadcast spectrum with totally self-serving crapola like bs shopping channels, etc etc....it benefits no one except marcia cohen....very sad....
post #11705 of 12043
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Originally Posted by andyross63 View Post

........In another issue, has anyone noticed that on WeatherNation, the local forecast with the actual person is often a week or more old? Right now, it looks like it's from August 24. The maps and other graphics after he stops talking are current.

yes, i have noticed that, at least once...i had to do a double take....lol....very strange...someone at Weather Nation is not paying atttention! ...what i saw was maybe not a week old but it seemed to be at least a few hours or more out of date...

i've heard somewhere that Weather Nation is not using live satellite feeds anymore....they are using an internet feed to get to their stations....if so, maybe it was our local ch 13.4 station staff that screwed this up?
post #11706 of 12043
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Originally Posted by pm3839 View Post

i'm not trying to be argumentative or sarcastic or anything else negative but i'm wondering why anyone would want to buy a tv station with the goal or results of it disappearing? wouldnt they either revive it in some form or sell it? either way, it would still be on the air.....

by the way, channel 25 has an excellent signal, especially for a low power station...almost as good as some of the full power channels, in my area.... its really shameful that the FCC allows a broadcaster to waste and pollute the public broadcast spectrum with totally self-serving crapola like bs shopping channels, etc etc....it benefits no one except marcia cohen....very sad....

She was among a number of sellers, including KM Communications, who is selling off WOCH-CA, with the speculators intentions of removing as many stations from the airwaves as possible, so the FCC can work on the next channel repackaging. So far, it's been minority owners of LPTV stations that have taken the bait to sell off voluntarily. You're not gonna see many station owners of full market signals sell off, as they'll fight to keep themselves on the air as long as possible. The only station owners of full power stations that will sell off voluntarily, are those who see no end to their mounting debt, only own a few stations, & see this as a way to help pay off some of that debt. I know Nelson sold off the former WSPY-CD, which is now WLPD-CD to the same speculators. I don't remember if WRJK-LP was included or not, since I haven't seen that station on the air in months (I also live outside of their signal, so I have no clue, if it doesn't come in at all, or can't decode)

As for W25DW-D & their signal, their signal is mainly good if you're in the city, or the near south & southwest suburbs. I'm over in Gary Indiana, & their signal is iffy, since there's a sharp null toward Indiana. For now, that station still has HSN, but they lost QVC a while back (not sure if Marcia Cohen pulled it, or if QVC pulled it & got a better deal with ION, & being placed on a full market signal vs. a signal that only reaches the city & nearby south & southwest suburbs). W25DW-D also has TVC+ Latino, Sonlife, LATV (surprised this network is still around after being pulled off of 2 stations), & Almavision (not sure what they show).
post #11707 of 12043
If W25DW goes silent some of us will be relieved due to the end of interference to WCGV. That waste signal offers very little to half of Chicagoland except co-channel interference. The other half actually receives it poorly. What a joke. I'm hoping WCHU goes the same way.

Why can't these stations move to VHF-HI with a lower transmit power? At least they'd make use of the spectrum better and ...um... get this... HAVE A SIGNAL THAT COVERS MORE THAN CICERO AND NAPERVILLE!
post #11708 of 12043
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Originally Posted by swiat View Post

If W25DW goes silent some of us will be relieved due to the end of interference to WCGV. That waste signal offers very little to half of Chicagoland except co-channel interference. The other half actually receives it poorly. What a joke. I'm hoping WCHU goes the same way.

Why can't these stations move to VHF-HI with a lower transmit power? At least they'd make use of the spectrum better and ...um... get this... HAVE A SIGNAL THAT COVERS MORE THAN CICERO AND NAPERVILLE!

WCHU-LD did put in an application for RF 7, since not everyone can get them on RF 33. I'm one of those who really doesn't care if I don't get RF 33, but my Insignia HDTV picks up RF 33 sometimes, but it gets lots of interference. My USB TV tuner stick, Magnavox converter box, & my Haier portable TV however can not decode the signal on RF 33. With my laptop, & use my TV tuner stick, & TS Reader Lite, it picks up RF 33 from Gary, but can not decode the signal, due to interference. Venture Technologies hasn't been happy being on RF 33 for WCHU-LD, due to being forced off RF 44 back in 2009 by WLS-TV, who themselves may be forced to change channels again, if the channel repackaging happens again. If the FCC ever does approve WCHU-LD's application, I'll have no problem getting them on RF 7 at 3kw, since the signal will be strong enough for people in NW Indiana to get. I had no problems with WLS-TV on RF 7 at 4.75kw on the Sears Tower, or at 7kw on the John Hancock.

While it hasn't been made official, but there's rumors that the owners of WEDE-CA might sell off their station as well, since they haven't attempted to convert to digital. & probably won't go digital. I just wish LeSea Broadcasting would shut off WHNW-LD, so I have a chance at getting WVTV again. This station is the reason I can not get WVTV at all. LeSea decided to shut off WHVI-LP 24, due to not being able to afford to convert it to digital. They barely came up with the money to convert WHNW-LD to digital, but glad it did go digital, since it always interfered with WYIN for me when they were analog. I just wonder what Weigel Broadcasting plans to do with WWME-LD & WMEU-CD, since they'll somehow get affected somewhere in the possible channel repackaging. I just wish Weigel would make up their mind about WWME-LD in particular, because I must pick up that station's signal in order to watch Bounce, & I'm in the null. So that station doesn't always come in clearly in the summer months. If they flash-cut RF 23, I'd have a better chance at getting WWME-LD. WMEU-CD on RF 32 comes in with no problems, but only carries MeToo. WWME-CA 23 either needs to go digital, & shut off RF 39, or shut off RF 23, & make RF 39 Class A, & get away from analog. since very few people watch it.
post #11709 of 12043
I able to pick up WYCC 56 miles away, CBS, weird channel 22.1, and 61.2 all with a indoor antennacraft omindirectional antenna but, not weather station 13.4 (i think) channel that's super low powered.
post #11710 of 12043
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Originally Posted by ryadoggy1987 View Post

I able to pick up WYCC 56 miles away, CBS, weird channel 22.1, and 61.2 all with a indoor antennacraft omindirectional antenna but, not weather station 13.4 (i think) channel that's super low powered.

The CBS station you got on 22.1 is WSBT-TV out of South Bend (RF 22), unless you got CBS via WBBM-TV 2.1 (RF 12). 61.1 - 61.3 (RF 33) is not easy to pick up in Chicagoland, due to many forms of interference (WITI Milwaukee to the north, & those in the city of Chicago & the south subrubs & NW Indiana, mainly interference from WEDE-CA & to a lesser extent, WMEU-CD on RF 32. The only station with virtual channel 22.1 in Chicagoland is WRJK-LP (should be WRJK-LD, since it's digital), & there's limited programming on that station. Did you get more than 3 subchannels for this one, or 3? If you only got 3, & it was CBS, then you got WSBT-TV. If you saw infomercials on most of the subchannels, then you got WRJK-LP. WOCK.CD on RF 4 (VC 13.1 - 13.5) is next to impossible to pick up with an indoor antenna. It's been discussed before, that RF 2-6 don't work at all with indoor antennas, & any outdoor antenna that isn't optimized for 2-6. Even if you do have an antenna that's optimized for 2-6, you most likely need a pre-amp in order to get any LPTV station on VHF-Lo. I bought my Antennacraft CS600 VHF antenna, specifically for WOCK-CD, when they had America One on VC 13.4. That antenna however doesn't have enough gain for VHF-LO, but I had no choice, as VHF only antennas are scarce, & my only other option was a combo VHF/UHF antenna, just to use for VHF, while the UHF portion is disabled, & use just my Antennas Direct DB8 for UHF.
Edited by dave73 - 9/6/13 at 10:54am
post #11711 of 12043
The latest (October) issue of Consumer Reports has a mini-test of several indoor antennas. It wasn't a detailed technical test, but mainly having several users in the NY area test them out and report. The Radio Shack 15-254 was given good marks for working well, and being cheap ($35). The RCA ANT1650 Amplified was sort-of the 'best' overall.
post #11712 of 12043
Dave73
I picked of ethic channel 22.1-22.7.i got a China station CCTV news 61.1-61.3
It was 2.1 CBS
post #11713 of 12043
I'm able to pick up 65 channels with indoor ampfiled omindirectional antennacraft Velcroed to the window. In the dupage county (western suburbs)
post #11714 of 12043
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Originally Posted by ryadoggy1987 View Post

Dave73
I picked of ethic channel 22.1-22.7.i got a China station CCTV news 61.1-61.3
It was 2.1 CBS

Most of the LPTV stations aim their signal to the south & west. WRJK-LP is no exception, & surprised you got it with an indoor antenna. Most LPTV stations for me require a pre-amp attached to my antenna, & that especially holds true for the sole VHF class A station, WOCK-CD on RF 4, at only 300 watts, or 1kw (not sure which power level they're using now). The only LPTV stations I get without a pre-amp are: WHNW-LD Gary, IN on RF 18 (18.1), WMEU-CD Chicago on RF 32 (48.1), & WDCI-LD Chicago on RF 30 (57.1)
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Originally Posted by ryadoggy1987 View Post

I'm able to pick up 65 channels with indoor ampfiled omindirectional antennacraft Velcroed to the window. In the dupage county (western suburbs)

When I had to rescan my Insignia HDTV, because somehow, WCPX's signal got knocked out, & reverted RF 43 from digital to analog, & can not clear it out to restore WCPX, unless I rescan. This station has always received interference for me since WLS-TV broadcasted on RF 44 in 2009, & still gets interference for me to this day. This problem always happens at night, & for WLS-TV, I have problems at all hours. Anyway, I believe I got around 73 channels when I last rescanned the TV. I'll list what stations I got, & to save reading time, I'll just list total channels for that RF channel, rather than list all the networks on those channels:

WBBM-TV 2.1 (RF 12) = 1 channel

WMAQ-TV 5.1 (RF 29) = 2 channels

WLS-TV 7.1 (RF 44) = 3 channels

WGN-TV 9.1 (RF 19) = 2 channels (will be 3 when they take over This TV in November)

WTTW 11.1 (RF 47) = 4 channels

WOCK-CD 13.1 (RF 4) = 5 channels

WHNW-LD 18.1 (RF 18) = 1 channel

WYCC 20.1 (RF 21) = 3 channels

WWME-LD 23.1 (RF 39) = 3 channels

WPVN-CD 24.1 (RF 20) = 6 channels

W25DW-D 25.1 (RF 25) = 7 channels

WCIU 26.1 (RF 27) = 5 channels

WFLD 32.1 (RF 31) = 1 channel

WCPX 38.1 (RF 43) = 5 channels (not counting the Airbox channels that may still be broadcasting in MPEG4 format on this station)

WSNS 44.1 (RF 45) = 2 channels

WMEU-CD 48.1 (RF 32) = 1 channel

WPWR-TV 50.1 (RF 51) = 3 channels

WYIN 56.1 (RF 17) = 2 channels

WDCI-LD 57.1 (RF 30) = 1 channel

WXFT-DT 60.1 (RF 50) = 2 channels

WCHU-LD 61.1 (RF 33) = 3 channels (only my TV can pick up this station, since the tuner is that selective, while my other tuners detect interference)

WJYS 62.1 (RF 36) = 3 channels

WGBO-DT 66.1 (RF 38) = 1 channel

That's what gets picked up everyday, as long as stations from other markets don't override an existing station, & when it happens, it's usually one of the LPTV stations that gets knocked out, & W25DW-D gets knocked out a lot by WCGV Milwaukee.

Based on the last scan, I got 66 stations. If I get WESV-LD on RF 40 (40.1), then that adds 2 more channels, & that one comes in & out. Only a couple of times I got WRJK-LP on RF 24, & got the 7 channels on that station. If I get that regularly & WESV-LD, then that makes the count 75. Out of what I get, I only watch at the most, 22 or 23 of the channels. I usually don't worry about MeTV on WWME-LD, since I can also get that on WCIU 26.3, but I must get WWME-LD's signal in order to get 23.2 Bounce (hope Weigel is smart & move it to 26.5 on November 1, when WGN-TV moves This TV to their station, & create channel 9.3). My mom likes W25DW-D for HSN on 25.1, but otherwise, we don't bother with this station.
post #11715 of 12043
I was able to get WRJK last night, and one of the channels was just showing what looked like a Win7 desktop. Another was just a blue screen.
post #11716 of 12043
22.3 or 22.5 (i think) is a computer desktop screen
post #11717 of 12043
Last time I pulled in WRJK there was a 22.7 with "WRJK" in its PSIP subchannel name: first time they got the letters in the right order.
post #11718 of 12043
Besides Getv and This moving to Wgn in the fall. Do u think they!l launch any more channels?(subchannels)
post #11719 of 12043
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Originally Posted by ryadoggy1987 View Post

Besides Getv and This moving to Wgn in the fall. Do u think they!l launch any more channels?(subchannels)

well, its hard/impossible to predict but i bet theres more interesting stuff coming....

even if nothing new comes along things are really pretty good as it is now, in my opinion....especially compared to what (OTA) antenna tv used to be like before the hd/digital era began in 2009....we now have multiple movie channels, lots of decent retro tv, foreign language channels, etc, etc....we all have many more choices now and its all without ghosting, snow, random lines, pulse noise, etc, etc.....and some of it is even in HD quality ....analog was often subject to many impairments, even if u had a strong signal....as long as u have decent digital signal levels from your antenna the new digital signals look really good and are very dependable...

however, if the FCC allows it, the proposed channel re-packing may limit new channel growth and might even cut down the number of channels we have now....that would be a bad situation...

i'd really like to see a weather channel of some sort on a full power station....WEATHER NATION on ch 13.4 is good but its an incredibly weak and hard to receive channel for most chicago area people....
post #11720 of 12043
If the FCC repacking happens, these junk stations will go away (paid off by our tax dollars). If it doesn't, the owners will loose their shirt because they are betting on the former to happen. They will need to reprogram with interesting programming recoup their investment or sell off the station to someone that will do that. The question is, are there enough services to fill that void.
post #11721 of 12043
well no one mentioned it yet for the last couples weeks or so ----
and i am not sure when it happened, WTTW the dtt-901 now reads the sub-channels as
WTTW-HD for 11.1
WTTW-PR for 11.2
WTTW-CR for 11.3
WTTW-VM for 11.4

got to wonder how long it took for this executive decision from conception to implementatio


kd9fz
comments critisms and questions of sanity are always welcome
post #11722 of 12043
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Originally Posted by kd9fz View Post

well no one mentioned it yet for the last couples weeks or so ----
and i am not sure when it happened, WTTW the dtt-901 now reads the sub-channels as
WTTW-HD for 11.1
WTTW-PR for 11.2
WTTW-CR for 11.3
WTTW-VM for 11.4

got to wonder how long it took for this executive decision from conception to implementatio
Thanks for the word; I hadn't noticed and will make those of my tuners that don't do it automatically update.

As to how long, well, how long has WTTW had subchannels?  It's taken them that long.
post #11723 of 12043
WTTW had subchannels if I recall since 2007 ( i think) I had an magnavox 13 DTV CRT tv which I got in 2008 from Walmart pick up I ABC, NBC FOX, WTTW not CBS or 56.1. i replace the crt for led toshiba 19sl410u last year at hh Gregg with the toshiba i get most of the channels in Chicago
post #11724 of 12043
Yes, at least since 2007; I bought my first ATSC TV then, and WTTW already had subchannels at the time.  11.1 was WTTW in SD, 11.2 was WTTW in HD (yes, I typed that right, HD was on .2, though I could be remembering wrong), 11.3 was Create full time, and 11.4 was V-Me as it still is now.
post #11725 of 12043
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Originally Posted by ryadoggy1987 View Post

WTTW had subchannels if I recall since 2007 ( i think)

WTTW had subchannels way back in Feb. 2003. Found this snippet where I talked about them.
post #11726 of 12043
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Originally Posted by dattier View Post

Yes, at least since 2007; I bought my first ATSC TV then, and WTTW already had subchannels at the time.  11.1 was WTTW in SD, 11.2 was WTTW in HD (yes, I typed that right, HD was on .2, though I could be remembering wrong), 11.3 was Create full time, and 11.4 was V-Me as it still is now.

I could have watched DTV as far back as 2008, when I took advantage of the vouchers for 2 converter boxes. I however kept being sidelined with having to go with my mom shopping on Saturdays, because she refused to go any other day (she also needs help with it too), & I was always working most Sundays, & second shift Monday - Friday. So I had no time to work on the outdoor antenna at getting it hooked up. When I had to do a double on a Friday night, I slept in, & my mom was mad that I didn't go with her shopping. She was also complaining that I wasn't doing something about getting better TV reception. So in late March or early April 2009, I got the outdoor antenna hooked up, & hooked my TV to a box, & got CBS (yes you read that right, I was one of a few that had no problems getting their 2.8kw signal on RF 3), NBC in and out, ABC pixelated a lot on RF 52, but not when they returned to RF 7 (I however have never got a reliable signal on RF 44 since day one, & still don't today). WGN-TV I had no problems. WTTW had an iffy signal then, but once they got a power increase, I had no problems. WYCC I had no problems (glad I got my antenna hooked up in time, since they were the only city grade signal that shut off analog early), WCIU I had problems until they got a slight power increase (the major power increase they got put me in a null, & I now need a pre-amp for this station, since the signal is aimed less toward Indiana, while aiming more signal toward DeKalb & Kenosha). Fox came in ok. Ion was always a problem pre-transitional digital, but once they got a power increase, it was fine, until WLS-TV decided that they wanted to switch to RF 44, & to this day, I get nightly interference on RF 43, thanks to WLS-TV, since I also have problems with RF 44 at all hours). Telemundo no problems. WPWR-TV was never a problem. WYIN is one I actually had a major improvement, since they have always been difficult to get in analog, even in Gary, IN (their COL) with an antenna pointed toward Cedar Lake. WGBO-DT & WXFT-DT on RF 53 & RF 59 were no problems for me, & were fine after they went to RF 38 & RF 50. WJYS was always a problems, since they had a weak signal toward Indiana, even at 50kw, & interference from WMVT Milwaukee in the pre-transitional digital days (plus during the pre-transitional digital days, they could not aim their signal north, in order to protect WMVT). Once WMVT vacated RF 36, WJYS improved somewhat, but it wasn't until they went to 145kw, & knocked out most of their nulls, that reception improved. This is another station I saw an improvement, since going digital. I never got WOCK-CD until I got a pre-amp. Same with WWME-LD & W25DW-D.

As for WTTW, since I was late at hooking up my converter boxes, I never saw the simulcasts on 11.1 & 11.2. 11.1 by that time became WTTW-HD (though my DTV box is SD), & 11.2 became WTTW Prime (I watch this channel more than 11.1, just because most of my favorite programming is available during the week on 11.2 more than on 11.1). 11.3 Create has also been my favorite, until recently, because I'm not happy that the World Channel took over the evening & overnight hours on 11.3 recently. Both Create & World have 6 hour programming blocks, & makes it convenient for WTTW to split the broadcast hours of both networks, but after seeing it on WMVS one summer night in Gary (never got their analog signal on RF 10, but got them on RF 8 ), I was happy that it wasn't available in Chicago, until now. Just my opinion, WYCC might have been a better fit for World, or even WYIN, since I hear that World is supposed to be a free service, while Create is not (the reason that WYIN dropped it, & not because it's on a full market signal).
post #11727 of 12043
Yesterday I noticed that MeToo on 48 added 48.2 and called it NEW .2. They are currently simulcasting 48.1 on 48.2. Does anybody know if another network will find a home on 48.2?
post #11728 of 12043
Yup, found that too getting my non-automatically-updating tuners to see the new names for 11.2-4.  As if it weren't enough to have MeToo on 26.4, right?
post #11729 of 12043
GetTV

Type Digital broadcast television network
Country United States
Availability Nationwide via OTA digital television(covering 44% of the U.S.)[1]
Founded April 2013[2]
Owner Sony Pictures Television
(Sony Pictures Entertainment)[3]
Key people Superna Kalle
(SVP of U.S. networks, SPT, General manager)[3]
Launch date October 2013[3]
Picture format TBA
Official website gettvchannel.com
GetTV is an upcoming American digital multicast television network that will be owned by Sony Pictures Entertainment. The network's programming will focus on feature films; GetTV will be available in the United States through the digital subchannels of broadcast television stations, as well as on select cable providers.[2]
The network will compete with This TV, Me-TV, Antenna TV and Movies!, similarly-formatted networks whose primary sources of programming are also composed of feature films[2] and also mixed classic television series and film channels Cozi TV and Retro Television Network.[1]
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