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post #11851 of 12036
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Originally Posted by snoopy1954 View Post

I live in Crystal Lake. I have to antennas in the attic. One pointed at Chicago ,a UHF VHF antenna, the other aimed at Rockford is a UHF antenna. Both give me the tv coverage I want. Rockford for CBS, since channel 2 is broadcasting from VHF, and all the other channels I get from Chicago. Really just followed the antenna web compass directions and all is fine.

If you want NBC from Rockford, you'll need a VHF-Hi antenna for that station, since WREX is on RF 13. The other 3 stations in Rockford are UHF (ABC, CBS, & Fox)
post #11852 of 12036
I get Chicago fine, just not WBBM . I put the antenna to Rockford because of the CBS issue still broadcasting on VHF. I don't watch NBC out of Rockford, but I think I get it. I receive all the Rockford channels. Just use CBS.
post #11853 of 12036
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Originally Posted by retromzc View Post

What a mess they have created. One of my tv's tuners is handling this mess ok while my main tv's tuner is so confused it doesn't know what to do. Thank goodness I never watch anything on any of these stations nor will I even try to now. I already have two stations fighting for control of channel 13, WOCK - Chicago and WREX Rockford. Two channels fighting for control of channel 23, METV Chicago, and WIFR, Rockford. Two channels fighting for control of Channel 40, W40CN, Sugar Grove and WESV, Chicago. Now this latest fiasco of two channels fighting for control of channel 62.

yes, i agree....it really IS a mess... these sloppy careless low power (and even some full power) broadcasters must invest zero time and effort to avoid these problems....this new signal on rf 34 psip's as ch 70.1 on my DTVpal/TR40 converter....worse yet, it appears out of numerical order between 61.x and 62.x instead of after 66.1....thats a first...lol....sheeesh....

ch 22.x is another example of unwatchable crap being broadcast with all kinds of mistakes and problems that never get fixed.... they just dont care, it seems to me...they should be ashamed of themselves....and fined by the fcc!.....better yet, throw them off the air! we dont need phoney bible thumpers begging for money or shopping channels peddling their garbage and wasting limited rf spectrum space!
post #11854 of 12036
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

The other map actually only showed the outer blue line; I made the colors the same on purpose. But yes, it's much easier to see with that map.

The red and blue lines don't really tell you much about signal coverage; you can only really tell based on the colored areas. If you're in a yellow area, assuming WIFR doesn't interfere too much, it's reasonable to assume you would receive the proposed channel 41 signal from WOCK-CD. Here's the map without WIFR on it:

http://www.rabbitears.info/contour.php?appid=1575144&map=Y

- Trip

thanks for all your very thoughtful and thorough replies, Trip...u do a great job here and on your RabbitEars website!

btw....i heard u on as a guest on a SATELLITE GUYS/Satellite Nation podcast several months ago...twice, i think....lots of good info....they used to do a show every wednesday night at 6 pm cst but it seems they changed the schedule or they are gone....their SATELLITE NATION radio stream (at http://radio.satelliteguys.us:8000/ ) is still playing music tho....have u been on any recent shows there?
post #11855 of 12036
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Originally Posted by pm3839 View Post

thanks for all your very thoughtful and thorough replies, Trip...u do a great job here and on your RabbitEars website!

btw....i heard u on as a guest on a SATELLITE GUYS/Satellite Nation podcast several months ago...twice, i think....lots of good info....they used to do a show every wednesday night at 6 pm cst but it seems they changed the schedule or they are gone....their SATELLITE NATION radio stream (at http://radio.satelliteguys.us:8000/ ) is still playing music tho....have u been on any recent shows there?

Thanks. smile.gif

Satellite Nation still runs, but there have been some cases of technical difficulties. I linked to the most recent one I've been on on the RabbitEars Blog. It was only a few weeks ago.

- Trip
post #11856 of 12036
WJYS and WEDE are really doing some weird things.  I haven't checked today, but as of two days ago and still yesterday, the full-power signal on RF36 was carrying only MCTV (or MC†V as they call it) and putting it out as 34.1, while the low-power signal on RF34 was carrying WJYS, MCTV, and Prism as 62.1, 62.2, and 62.4 respectively.
post #11857 of 12036
Like I said a few posts back, they have created quite a mess. I had to go into my channel list and delete all of the WJYS/WEDE channels to keep my Sony's tuner from locking up any time I scanned past the 62-* channels. The only two channels my tuner could decipher correctly was 34-1 and 62-4.
post #11858 of 12036
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Originally Posted by retromzc View Post

Like I said a few posts back, they have created quite a mess. I had to go into my channel list and delete all of the WJYS/WEDE channels to keep my Sony's tuner from locking up any time I scanned past the 62-* channels. The only two channels my tuner could decipher correctly was 34-1 and 62-4.

While WLS-TV wasn't an issue when they had RF 7 & RF 44 mapped to 7.X, WEDE-CD & WJYS has become a problem on the same TV. WEDE-CD wants to map to 62.2, while WJYS 62.2 won't come in at all. I believe WJYS 62.1 also wasn't mapped properly. Unless I rescanned, I could not get 62.1 at all. During the last scan, WJYS 62.2 mapped as 36.2, while WEDE-CD last mapped as 34.2. This is on the Insignia 24" 1080p HDTV.
post #11859 of 12036
It appears that WJYS and WEDE have returned things to the way they should be. WEDE now scans in at 34.1 on rf 34 while WJYS now scans back to 62-1,-2 and -4 on rf 36 the way they used to be. Wonder if they received any complaints?
post #11860 of 12036
Noticed that this morning but couldn't get on line to post it; glad Retromzc did.  I'd ask what could have been going through their minds, but let's not go down that road to Damascus.
post #11861 of 12036
So the only analogs in the immediate area that are left are Analogs 6 (WKQX-LP) & 23 (WWME-CA)?

I would also say WMEU-LP 48, but there be times it be on, and then that 48 signal be off.
post #11862 of 12036
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Originally Posted by csworldwide1 View Post

So the only analogs in the immediate area that are left are Analogs 6 (WKQX-LP) & 23 (WWME-CA)?

I would also say WMEU-LP 48, but there be times it be on, and then that 48 signal be off.

I can see why WKQX-LP is still analog, but Weigel would be wise to shut off WWME-CA & WMEU-LP. For WWME-CA, either flash-cut 23 to digital (based on current directional pattern, I get it easier than 39), or make 39 Class A (reception is iffy for me in Gary, as it's nulled in my direction, & not as strong). They already made RF 32 Class A, & RF 48 is not needed at all. I'm not sure how much Weigel pays for leasing space for 1 full power station, & 2 digital, & 2 analog (both of the LPTV stations, each have companion channels). If they're paying for all of that, it would be cheaper to eliminate both analog stations, & just focus on the digital stations. They can always add more programming to the LPTV stations.
post #11863 of 12036
Additionally, I'd have to figure that, 4 years after the full power analog sign-off, the viewership numbers on analog just aren't there anymore. Even with a pass-through equipped converter box, I generally don't think to check analog during band openings anymore. Even for someone with a pass-through converter box, the only real benefits to the analog feed are 1) the possibility that they can get a passable but snowy picture on the analog channel but a totally unusable signal (or no signal) on the digital subchannel, or 2) that, despite snow, they still get better image quality from the analog station due to macro-blocking from having so many subchannels (and, not being in the area, I can't say whether that's a problem Weigel has). I can understand FrankenFMs still being on analog, especially in a market where the FM band has more stations than available channels*, but not a "full service" station, unless it's about retaining Class A status.

* Incidentally, I think it's inevitable that Channel 6 and even possibly 5 (that's a 6 to 12 MHz chunk, or about a 25% to 50% increase in available FM frequencies) will be repurposed for FM, especially if HD Radio catches on (because of increased adjacent channel interference). It's only a matter of what regulations the FCC will enforce (ie. will they be extensions to the non-commercial sub-band, power levels, interference mitigation, the rollout of All-Channel Receiver Act compatible extended FM band radios, whether FrankenFMs are given any licensing priority) and how the rollout actually plays out (questions like how the importance of car listening and slowness of car upgrades affect extended brand station viability).
post #11864 of 12036
I did a rescan about a week ago and see that "The U Too" is in HD on 48-1. I had no idea that was there. However, I notice that sometimes the signal is extremely weak and sometimes I get it and sometimes I don't. I am about 40 miles west of Chicago. Is that channel a full power station? Should I be able to receive it on a consistent basis that far from the city?
post #11865 of 12036
low powered stations have a max of 15KW....

the station shows 15KW @ 1555 foot tower
http://www.rabbitears.info/contour.php?appid=1426356&map=Y
post #11866 of 12036
AHL in HD.... Nice
post #11867 of 12036
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Originally Posted by zippyfrog View Post

I did a rescan about a week ago and see that "The U Too" is in HD on 48-1. I had no idea that was there. However, I notice that sometimes the signal is extremely weak and sometimes I get it and sometimes I don't. I am about 40 miles west of Chicago. Is that channel a full power station? Should I be able to receive it on a consistent basis that far from the city?

Although 48-1 is a low power station I have no problems receiving it in Plano (about 50 miles west s/w of downtown Chicago) I also know of two locations in Sandwich (about 55 miles west s/w of downtown Chicago) where there is no problem receiving the channel. We are all using outdoor antennas.
post #11868 of 12036
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Originally Posted by retromzc View Post

Although 48-1 is a low power station I have no problems receiving it in Plano (about 50 miles west s/w of downtown Chicago) I also know of two locations in Sandwich (about 55 miles west s/w of downtown Chicago) where there is no problem receiving the channel. We are all using outdoor antennas.

Thanks - so it isn't a distance thing for me. I have an indoor antenna in the attic - that might be the issue to why it is so spotty.
post #11869 of 12036
You're welcome zippyfrog.smile.gif
post #11870 of 12036
I recommend the wineguard flatware indoor antenna range up to 35 miles able to pick up 72 channels from darien bought at Home Depot $28.78 + tax able to pick up the church channel from lasalle but no 13.1, 48.1 sometimes,
post #11871 of 12036
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Originally Posted by ryadoggy1987 View Post

I recommend the wineguard flatware indoor antenna range up to 35 miles able to pick up 72 channels from darien bought at Home Depot $28.78 + tax able to pick up the church channel from lasalle but no 13.1, 48.1 sometimes,

That antenna you have will not work for RF 2 - 6. I have found that any indoor antenna won't work for those channels. you need an outdoor antenna, & one with long elements for those channels. Since WOCK-CD is also a Class A digital station at only 300 watts, you need a pre-amp in most cases to get that station. I'm over in Gary, & I use an Antenncraft CS600 & an RCA TVPRAMP1R pre-amp to get WOCK-CD 13.1 - 13.5. Even with the pre-amp, it's a problem getting that station in the warmer months. Now if WOCK-CD can move over to RF 41, I'll have an easier time getting the station, as 15KW on UHF with a signal aiming at my direction will work better than 300 watts on a VHF signal that requires an outdoor antenna, & not always stay steady. I had better luck with WBBM-TV when they were on RF 3 at 2.8kw with no pre-amp. If WCHU-LD gets moved to RF 7, I believe I'll get them, since I'm in the main coverage area, & they'll be at 3kw, & I got WLS-TV on RF 7 at both 4.75kw & 7kw.
post #11872 of 12036
when could we see WMEU HD on dish network it would be great to have that channel added also.

Thanks

bluegras
post #11873 of 12036
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Originally Posted by bluegras View Post

when could we see WMEU HD on dish network it would be great to have that channel added also.

Thanks

bluegras

Weigel has been trying to get both DirecTV & Dish Network to add it for a few years now (MeToo even longer). Since The U Too is on a Class A station, satellite isn't required to add it, & for now, neither one seems to want to add it, or MeToo. Unless Weigel wanted to use retransmission consent for WCIU to get U Too & MeToo, then it won't happen. I know Weigel in Milwaukee used retransmission consent with WDJT to get WYTU-LD & then WMLW-CD (now WBME-CD) on satellite. So unless Weigel Chicago uses retransmission consent on WCIU, neither satellite service will add U Too or MeToo, 'cause they want to claim bandwidth issues to not add those channels. I remember DirecTV wasn't happy that Weigel wanted WWME-LD added to DirecTV's lineup.
post #11874 of 12036
if The U Too and MEtoo would become a full power tv stations could we get these stations on dish network.

Allen bluegras
post #11875 of 12036
I have Direct TV receivers that get over-the-air signals. I can't get D* to turn on the ability to receive them, let alone rebroadcast them.
post #11876 of 12036
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Originally Posted by alnielsen View Post

I have Direct TV receivers that get over-the-air signals. I can't get D* to turn on the ability to receive them, let alone rebroadcast them.

That doesn't make any sense.

There's nothing for D* to "turn on", you have to have the proper setup, then YOU have to set up the receivers.
post #11877 of 12036
The HR20 receiver gets it's program guide from the satellite. There are several stations and sub-digital channels that aren't provided to turn on or off. I am talking about over-the-air signals, not the ones being sent down via the spot beams. I have had D* for 12 years and have performed all my installs. I know my way around the system.
post #11878 of 12036
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Originally Posted by ProjectSHO89 View Post

That doesn't make any sense.

There's nothing for D* to "turn on", you have to have the proper setup, then YOU have to set up the receivers.

As the previous poster just explained to you, it makes PERFECT sense...if you completely understand how D* receivers work!

D* programs their OTA tuners in these receivers via program guide data that THEY completely control & provide; IOW, (except for the very old H20 non-DVR receivers) none of their OTA tuners can do "OTA scanning" like most other tuners can. So if the main &/or subchannels are NOT in D* database to send up, your OTA tuner will NOT get those channels, period! While D* has never made an official statement themselves (of course!) other posters at the satellite boards have stated that D* has run out of room to update/add more OTA channels to it's database.
To make matters worse, when the Genie WHD's first came out, they DID provide OTA scanning (with the AM21 add-on tuner) - but then D* even took that feature OUT on a software update awhile back; no word if it will ever come back - IDIOTS!

This is one (of several) reasons why I switched to E*; at least all of their receivers have always had OTA scanning; however, E* is also NOT updating their OTA database, either - so on many subchannels, you have NOT EPG data to prog the DVR; but you CAN at least set a manual timer to do so.
post #11879 of 12036
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There are several stations and sub-digital channels that aren't provided to turn on or off.

If you had been specific about what you were referring to in the first place....

As dishrich explained not all available local channels are in the guide data. There's usually a way to work around that by spoofing a distant markets guide data that will give you the correct sub-channel guide so you can use the integrated guide. For example, in order to get guide data for MeTV on KMOV, I programmed in an alternate zip code that happened to have MeTV on the same virtual channels.
post #11880 of 12036
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Originally Posted by bluegras View Post

if The U Too and MEtoo would become a full power tv stations could we get these stations on dish network.

Allen bluegras

MeToo is a subchannel

The UToo cant upgrade to full powered status for 2 reasons
-once you are classified as a low powered station you can't just "upgrade" to full power. maximum power is 15,000 watts for LP stations
-The CW in Madison (Janesville) also operates on RF32 and they're pretty close to each other
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