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post #11911 of 12035
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Originally Posted by sebenste View Post

I thought I edited those in there...hmmm. They're included now, thanks!

Gilbert

WOCK-CD 13.1 is 720p (Fox's preferred HD format) & not 1080i. I tried to attach a TS Reader file to prove that 13.1 is 720p, but this site doesn't support the file. I'm not sure they could run 1080i & 4 subchannels (not sure any TV station is running a 1080i main channel & 4 subchannels).

Now looking back at the beginning of the thread, WYIN needs to be updated as well, since they're only running 56.1 in 1080i (from 720p) & 56.3 (480i widescreen). Since they never got alternate programming running on 56.2 & 56.4, they eliminated the simulcasts & shut off 56.2 & 56.4, & made 56.1 1080i. Whether they'll add more sunchannels again is unknown at this time. I hear they're barely staying on the air.

Also for WESV-LD, they've had 40.2 for more than a year, & 40.2 is Inmigrante TV (used to be carried on WSNS 44.2 before Éxitos TV replaced it)
Edited by dave73 - 12/29/13 at 1:22pm
post #11912 of 12035
Thread Starter 
Thanks, Dave. Since 40-1 in Sugar Grove is on the air, I can't get 40-1 from Willis. Updated!

Gilbert
post #11913 of 12035
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Originally Posted by sebenste View Post

Thanks, Dave. Since 40-1 in Sugar Grove is on the air, I can't get 40-1 from Willis. Updated!

Gilbert

I know the feeling of RF channels being shoe horned into the market. It makes it difficult to get some stations. I only wished WWME-LD Chicago & WMYS-LD South Bend weren't on RF 39, since WWME-LD is nulled toward Indiana, in order to protect WMYS-LD (used to protect WZZM in the pre-transitional digital days). WMYS-LD (like WBND-LD & WCWW-LD) is non-directional, & Weigel did that on purpose, in order for as many people to get the OTA with no nulls in the South Bend area. For the Chicago market, WRJK-LP is nulled toward Indiana, because they were supposed to protect WHVI-LP (both on RF 24). LeSea however never came up with the money to flash-cut WHVI-LP to digital, & shut it off, & let the license get deleted. So I'm not sure if WRJK-LP will try to change their directional pattern to allow more signal toward Indiana or not. I barely got it this past summer, despite WHVI-LP still being on the air at the time. Rumor has it that LeSea might end up turning off WHNW-LD 18.1 (RF 18), because of money issues (same reason that WHCH-LD Chesterton was turned off in 2010, after they spent the money to convert it to digital in 2009). Right now, I can't get WOCH-CD, because they have to protect WAAA-LP on RF 49, & WAAA-LP has a CP to flash-cut to digital, but hasn't done so yet, & the digital signal of WAAA-LD is supposed to be stronger than the analog signal (covering Lake, Porter, & LaPorte Counties, plus northern Jasper & most of Starke Counties of Indiana).
post #11914 of 12035
Thanks for editing the updates in, Gilbert.

Happy new year tomorrow night, everyone.
post #11915 of 12035
when will metv network in chicago go 480i 16 by 9 widescreen with so many people having hdtv now a days would it be a good idea.

thanks

Allen bluegras
post #11916 of 12035
Virtually all programming on MeTV is 4x3 content, so there can't be much to gain by pillarboxing it all to 16x9.  Only the commercials would benefit.
post #11917 of 12035
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Originally Posted by dattier View Post

Virtually all programming on MeTV is 4x3 content, so there can't be much to gain by pillarboxing it all to 16x9.  Only the commercials would benefit.

The same goes for Antenna TV as well on this topic. With Tribune now programming This TV, they could make that channel 16X9, since they show some movies that are in widescreen. Cozi TV is in widescreen, since some programming is in widescreen (mainly the newer shows & some movies. Some Cozi affiliates however might keep the channel at 4X3.
post #11918 of 12035
Ironically only 4 stations have it in widescreen right now (AntennaTV)
Minneapolis (they carry Me, Antenna and This in 480i widescreen so they can cross promote commercials with co-owned ABC)
Eau Claire, WI
Greensboro, NC

and for some reason Huntsville, AL has it in 720p as a subchannel
http://www.rabbitears.info/market.php?request=station_search&callsign=48693#station
post #11919 of 12035
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Originally Posted by unclehonkey View Post

Ironically only 4 stations have it in widescreen right now (AntennaTV)
Minneapolis (they carry Me, Antenna and This in 480i widescreen so they can cross promote commercials with co-owned ABC)
Eau Claire, WI
Greensboro, NC

and for some reason Huntsville, AL has it in 720p as a subchannel
http://www.rabbitears.info/market.php?request=station_search&callsign=48693#station

The station itself might have it in widescreen, or in a few cases, in HD. However, from the source, MeTV, Antenna TV, & This TV are not in widescreen. From the source, the only networks that are in widescreen are: Weather Nation, Cozi TV, Livewell Network (in 720p HD, but affiliates outside of the ABC O&O group don't show it in HD), & Movies, that I know of.
post #11920 of 12035
Heartland is also available in 720p HD.

- Trip
post #11921 of 12035
Which indoor antenna do you guys recommend?

I'm in 60647 and just bought a panasonic ZT60 65" that needs an antenna, would like to pick something up today if possible!

Thanks!
post #11922 of 12035
Depends on your building/surrounding, but I'm also in 60647 and get great reception one of these: http://www.amazon.com/August-DTA240-High-Digital-Aerial/dp/B007JPOX8O/ref=pd_sim_e_2

To be honest, just plugging in some coax will usually get ABC, NBC, and Fox (no CBS). Something like the leaf should work well enough.
post #11923 of 12035
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Originally Posted by bluegras View Post

when will metv network in chicago go 480i 16 by 9 widescreen with so many people having hdtv now a days would it be a good idea.

thanks

Allen bluegras

It'd be really nice if WCIU could do their sports broadcasts on 26.2 in HD. I'd rather watch ND basketball lose in high quality.
post #11924 of 12035
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Originally Posted by irishv View Post

It'd be really nice if WCIU could do their sports broadcasts on 26.2 in HD. I'd rather watch ND basketball lose in high quality.

If you're in Chicago, then you should be able to pick up WMEU-CD 48.1, which is the HD channel for The U Too. With the number of subchannels on WCIU, dual HD can't be done without affecting the picture quality. WCIU 26.2 (The U Too) is for those who can't get WMEU-CD 48.1. I can get it in Gary, but my mom doesn't care if a channel is in HD, just wants a good picture. So she relies on WCIU for MeTV, MeToo, U Too, & Bounce. She doesn't even want 48.1 in her channel lineup, just because of the duplication of programming. Same reason she doesn't want WWME-LD 23.1, as it's MeTV. She only tolerated it until November 1st, just for Bounce on 23.2. Once Bounce moved over to WCIU 26.5, & the simulcast continued on 23.2, my mom had the 23's removed from the channel list as well.
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

Heartland is also available in 720p HD.

- Trip

Not sure how many are showing the network in HD. I'm sure it's not many.
Edited by dave73 - 1/12/14 at 9:39pm
post #11925 of 12035
4 out of 21 affiliates have it in 720p
9 have it in 480i widescreen
post #11926 of 12035
I was answering dave73's question of "how many affiliates of Heartland have it in 720p" smile.gif
(since it was the previous post I declined to quote it)
post #11927 of 12035
Tuff tv display channel on my tv is 20.3-9 not 24.1 able to get wbbm clear, wycc clear (56 miles away tbn channel 10.1-5 Or 35.1-5 use wineguard flatware indoor antenna
post #11928 of 12035
looks like WeatherNation is switching affiliates. Someone posted on the WN facebook site they lost it on 13-4
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The free antenna TV channel in our local area that was carrying WN (WOCK-TV) is showing nothing but infomercials now.

and WeatherNation replied
we are in the process of switching affiliates in the Chicago area. We'll let you know what our new channel number will be once everything is finalized

Wonder where they'll end up?
post #11929 of 12035
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Originally Posted by unclehonkey View Post

looks like WeatherNation is switching affiliates. Someone posted on the WN facebook site they lost it on 13-4
and WeatherNation replied
we are in the process of switching affiliates in the Chicago area. We'll let you know what our new channel number will be once everything is finalized

Wonder where they'll end up?

Unless they worked out a deal with one of the big guys in Chicago, I won't be surprised if they end up on another LPTV signal. If another LPTV signal, I wonder if WRJK-LP or WWPVN-CD will carry Weather Nation. The bigger surprise would be if Ion Media decides to carry them. They're already looking like crap with 5 subchannels, 1 720p HD channel that looks worse than WTTW Prime in 480i widescreen, & running Mobile TV. WOCK-CD was the wrong choice from the start, since most people can not get that station without an outdoor antenna optimized for VHF-Lo, a pre-amp in most cases, & only transmitting at 300 watts. I barely get them in Gary on their 300 watt signal, & in the summer time, it's practically unwatchable. It was slightly better at 810 watts. I had far fewer problems with WBBM-TV when they were on RF 3 at 2.8kw. Even if WOCK-CD were on UHF (where they're trying to move to, & on WOCH-CD's former channel of 41), we don't know if Weather Nation would have stayed on that station.
post #11930 of 12035
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Originally Posted by unclehonkey View Post

Ironically only 4 stations have it in widescreen right now (AntennaTV)
Minneapolis (they carry Me, Antenna and This in 480i widescreen so they can cross promote commercials with co-owned ABC)
Eau Claire, WI
Greensboro, NC

Correct for Minneapolis where AntennaTV on KSTCDT2 5-4 UHF 45 is SD 16:9.

It would be nice if they switched aspect ratios so AntennaTV content would be 4:3 and widescreen commercials and promos would be 16:9. Some converters (Zenith) have a setting to allow the station to control the aspect ratio. As long as they would do it right. KARE 11 doesn't.

But Eau Claire AntennaTV on ANT-TV 13-3 UHF 38 is SD 4:3 when I checked a few minutes ago. The "weather" channel on 13-2 is HD 16:9. Not sure why HD is needed. They used to simulcast the 9 PM news (which is in HD) broadcast on WLAX 25 (UHF 17) La Crosse and WEUX 48 (UHF 49) Chippewa Falls. Came in handy when Fox programming ran past 9 PM. So was able to watch at 9 PM on 13-2. Disappointed that is no longer possible.
post #11931 of 12035
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Originally Posted by tachmn View Post

Correct for Minneapolis where AntennaTV on KSTCDT2 5-4 UHF 45 is SD 16:9.
which is 480i widesreen
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But Eau Claire AntennaTV on ANT-TV 13-3 UHF 38 is SD 4:3 when I checked a few minutes ago.

I took the info from rabbitears.info (except for Minneapolis as I am here so I know MeTV, This and AntennaTV are 480i widescreen)
post #11932 of 12035
I probably flipped it to 16:9 by accident somewhere along the way. I put it as 4:3 now.

- Trip
post #11933 of 12035
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

I probably flipped it to 16:9 by accident somewhere along the way. I put it as 4:3 now.

Actually when I first noticed it last October it was 16:9. At the time they were "cloning" 13.2.

So you didn't flip it by accident.
post #11934 of 12035
Ah, okay. smile.gif That makes sense then.

- Trip
post #11935 of 12035
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by dave73 View Post

Unless they worked out a deal with one of the big guys in Chicago, I won't be surprised if they end up on another LPTV signal. If another LPTV signal, I wonder if WRJK-LP or WWPVN-CD will carry Weather Nation. The bigger surprise would be if Ion Media decides to carry them. They're already looking like crap with 5 subchannels, 1 720p HD channel that looks worse than WTTW Prime in 480i widescreen, & running Mobile TV. WOCK-CD was the wrong choice from the start, since most people can not get that station without an outdoor antenna optimized for VHF-Lo, a pre-amp in most cases, & only transmitting at 300 watts. I barely get them in Gary on their 300 watt signal, & in the summer time, it's practically unwatchable. It was slightly better at 810 watts. I had far fewer problems with WBBM-TV when they were on RF 3 at 2.8kw. Even if WOCK-CD were on UHF (where they're trying to move to, & on WOCH-CD's former channel of 41), we don't know if Weather Nation would have stayed on that station.

The only full power I could see is 7.3. CBS won't have subs, NBC wants to protect The Weather Channel, which their parent company owns, but that could be expensive for WN. WGN is full, PBS won't. I could see FOX doing it, but not on 32; they like to keep their flagship station pure. I could see them doing 24, bumping somebody off (or add yet another subchannel, which will be really tough, since 24.2 is in HD, and looks awful with fast motion).
post #11936 of 12035
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Originally Posted by sebenste View Post

The only full power I could see is 7.3. CBS won't have subs, NBC wants to protect The Weather Channel, which their parent company owns, but that could be expensive for WN. WGN is full, PBS won't. I could see FOX doing it, but not on 32; they like to keep their flagship station pure. I could see them doing 24, bumping somebody off (or add yet another subchannel, which will be really tough, since 24.2 is in HD, and looks awful with fast motion).

CBS not having subchannels isn't completely true anymore. They're creating a subchannel for their own stations, & I believe it's meant for news content, but I could be wrong. It's a slow rollout of CBS Plus (right now, only available in New York, Los Angeles, & Philadelphia). I also don't see NBC picking it up either, because of the Weather Channel. Weather Nation can not place themselves on any PBS station, due to them airing commercials on their network, along with infomercials. Even if they could, WTTW is out of the question, as they're already at capacity, plus they're splitting the broadcast day on 11.3 with Create during the day, & World Channel at night. They're not giving up WTTW Prime (doesn't cost extra to run for them), & they're not giving up V-Me either (last I remember, it was still a free service). I also don't see WYCC picking it up if they could, as they seem to be happy with Mhz Worldview & FNX Experience. If Weigel picked it up, it would go on WWME-LD or WMEU-CD rather than WCIU, since Weigel wants OTA viewers outside of WWME-LD & WMEU-CD's coverage areas to get MeTV, MeToo, & U Too. Fox is an iffy, but I can tell you, that WFLD isn't totally pure, since Mobile TV moved over to their bandwidth, when sister station WPWR-TV became home to Movies & a simulcast of WOCK-CD 13.1 for Mundo Fox. In markets where they have a duopoly, they try to avoid using the Fox station's bandwidth. I don't know how much more Fox could take bandwidth away from 50.1 to create another subchannel, if they decided to add another one. Now if the offer is enticing to Ion Media, I could see them trying to squeeze another subchannel to their already horrible quality programming & picture on all channels. As for LPTV stations, if Polnet picked it up, I could see them adding another subchannel to their bandwidth. As for Heartland being in HD, does it say on your TV that it's in HD? Based on the most recent TS Reader that Trip got from someone, it shows that it's in widescreen, but not HD. Regardless, Polnet doesn't seem to be operating on the latest equipment, since even Polvision looks like crap. I say that they're most likely to pick up Weather Nation. I forgot to even mention ABC. I think if ABC wanted to pick them up, it would probably be as part of a group, rather than individual ABC O&O stations. They had all their O&O stations affiliated with Accuweather, then yanked them off all their stations. So I don't see ABC picking it up either (especially when ABC mandates all their O&O stations to carry Livewell in 720p HD).
post #11937 of 12035
What's airing on WPVN 24-2 today?

- Trip
post #11938 of 12035
Thread Starter 
24-2 has been deleted entirely from the lineup. PSIP goes from 24.1 to 24.3.
post #11939 of 12035
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Originally Posted by unclehonkey View Post

looks like WeatherNation is switching affiliates. Someone posted on the WN facebook site they lost it on 13-4
and WeatherNation replied
we are in the process of switching affiliates in the Chicago area. We'll let you know what our new channel number will be once everything is finalized

Wonder where they'll end up?
Weather Nation has been picked up by Directv, as a replacement for The Weather Channel. A source on DBSTalk said that Weather Nation is going to upgrade their broadcasts, as their information can be 3 hours old.
post #11940 of 12035
do u think weather nation be another digital channel (over the air)?
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