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post #8191 of 11584
4/29/10 at 1:17pm
This is a METV classic, A tale of two antennas and two different installations!

(to the tune of Gilligan's Island)

Just sit right back
And you'll hear a tale
A tale of a fateful trip,
That started from this pole,
Aboard this tiny antenna.
The mate was a mighty TV man,
The Skipper brave and sure,
Five TV's set sail that day,
For a three hour Install,
A three hour Install.

The weather started getting rough,
The tiny antenna was tossed.
If not for the courage of the fearless crew
The Signal would be lost.
The Signal would be lost.

The New Antenna set ground on a nice new pole
Of this uncharted desert isle
With METV,
With MEtoo.
And The U

With the final antenna set, the signal was restored
Better than ever, Here on Antenna Isle.


Yea, I would say no problems with sevengoolie this Saturday! Now if he can give me a shout out on WCIU!

What I did, Tossed the Radioshack antenna off of the roof, Replaced it with a wineguard 8200 and a preamp. Ran a brand new single line from the antenna to the ground and from the ground to the amp. From the amp the signal is split to various tv's. The antenna is on a Roater and is confirmed to be working! Now as soon as the wind really dies down I can adjust for Chicago and start dxing! I'm really really happy right now!
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post #8192 of 11584
4/29/10 at 2:10pm
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Originally Posted by mk1277 View Post

OK - so it's a nit and I'm aware of it, but the time on my TV (and guide) is always incorrect. I haven't cared about it for a long time, but as I watch more OTA and less SAT, I find it a bit annoying that the auto time sync doesn't seem to work.

Yeah, a lot of the "industry" people on this forum were practically assuring people that would be rectified after "the OTA digital transition", once things settled down and they could devote more focus to that.

Personally, I knew that was a crock of you-know-what myself, as there still wouldn't be enough "incentive" in place for the stations to actually make it work.

If it ever gets cleared up once and for all, I'll be surprised.

One good thing is, if you have an old, 480i TV (I would never recommend using one on an HD display - the SD PQ is pretty mediocre - in that case, I'd suggest the HD DTVPal DVR), the later firmware versions on the DTVPal CECB will allow the box to "lock in" the time from the CBS channel, so that it shows the same over all channels. Now, if that's off, then then you'd have to live with that. The bad part is that it's extremely diificult to find a later firmware Pal CECB.
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post #8193 of 11584
4/29/10 at 2:15pm
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Originally Posted by goaliebob99 View Post

This is a METV classic, A tale of two antennas and two different installations!

(to the tune of Gilligan's Island)

Just sit right back
And you'll hear a tale
A tale of a fateful trip,
That started from this pole,
Aboard this tiny antenna.
The mate was a mighty TV man,
The Skipper brave and sure,
Five TV's set sail that day,
For a three hour Install,
A three hour Install.

The weather started getting rough,
The tiny antenna was tossed.
If not for the courage of the fearless crew
The Signal would be lost.
The Signal would be lost.

The New Antenna set ground on a nice new pole
Of this uncharted desert isle
With METV,
With MEtoo.
And The U

With the final antenna set, the signal was restored
Better than ever, Here on Antenna Isle.


Yea, I would say no problems with sevengoolie this Saturday! Now if he can give me a shout out on WCIU!

What I did, Tossed the Radioshack antenna off of the roof, Replaced it with a wineguard 8200 and a preamp. Ran a brand new single line from the antenna to the ground and from the ground to the amp. From the amp the signal is split to various tv's. The antenna is on a Roater and is confirmed to be working! Now as soon as the wind really dies down I can adjust for Chicago and start dxing! I'm really really happy right now!

Good to hear! Enjoy Sven on Saturday! It looks REALLY good!
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post #8194 of 11584
4/29/10 at 2:18pm
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Originally Posted by goaliebob99 View Post

What I did, Tossed the Radioshack antenna off of the roof, Replaced it with a wineguard 8200 and a preamp.

Man, I can just imagine wrestling with that monstrosity on a day like today.

Anyway, congratulations.
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post #8195 of 11584
4/29/10 at 2:37pm
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Originally Posted by Rammitinski View Post

Man, I can just imagine wrestling with that monstrosity on a day like today.

Anyway, congratulations.

It wasn't too bad, I just had to wait for the wind to die out and quickly put it up there between gusts. Once it was secured down, I was good to go!
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post #8196 of 11584
4/29/10 at 2:52pm
I know you all want photo's so here ya go!
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post #8197 of 11584
4/29/10 at 5:59pm
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Originally Posted by hvs10trk View Post

It will air this Saturday the 1st at 7pm on WCIU.

You must mean it'll be a first at "the U" then: Svengoolie vs. Stooge-a-Palooza. Let the battle begin! (lol, just kidding )
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post #8198 of 11584
4/29/10 at 7:18pm
Thread Starter 
Hello everyone,

Been busy, but here we go:

Diligent broadcasting used to operate analog WMKB-LP channel 25 west of Rochelle. Now, the rumors I've heard for 2 years are true: They're headed for 300 watts on the Hancock, broadcasting physically on channel 8, directional southwest to protect PBS Milwaukee :

https://licensing.fcc.gov/cdbs/CDBS_...um=1&exhcnum=1

W40BY, the former analog Trinity Broadcasting Affiliate, now wants to flash cut immediately to digital on channel 40, using 6 kilowatts, also directional southwest to protect the ION affiliate in Milwaukee:

https://licensing.fcc.gov/cdbs/CDBS_...um=1&exhcnum=1

WLS-DT rf 7 has been granted 6 more months on channel 7.

And finally, WLS-DT rf 44 has also been granted 1 million watts on the Hancock under Special Temporary Authority.
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post #8199 of 11584
4/29/10 at 7:29pm
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Originally Posted by goaliebob99 View Post

I know you all want photo's so here ya go!

Nice, Bob! Now I know why 26 stunk for you...the Radio Shack UHF's don't do very well at that size.

OK, so now, try getting: WOCK-CD channel 4, WWTO-DT 10 (LaSalle/Ottawa, transmitter near Starved Rock, or pretty much due west of you), WLFI-DT 11 (Lafayette, IN, resolves to 18.1).

Analog: WWME-CA 23, WPVN-CA 24 Aurora, W25??, Home Shopping Network from the AON building, WEDE-CA 34, W40BY, WLFM-LP 6.

And finally, your website says you were getting WCCU from time to time, so that's whaat was indeed causing your interference!
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post #8200 of 11584
4/29/10 at 11:25pm
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Originally Posted by sebenste View Post

Diligent broadcasting used to operate analog WMKB-LP channel 25 west of Rochelle. Now, the rumors I've heard for 2 years are true: They're headed for 300 watts on the Hancock, broadcasting physically on channel 8, directional southwest to protect PBS Milwaukee :

https://licensing.fcc.gov/cdbs/CDBS_...um=1&exhcnum=1

What kind of programming will they be carrying?  I'm curious as to what we'll be missing here to the north of their contour.
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post #8201 of 11584
4/30/10 at 7:16am
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Originally Posted by dattier View Post

What kind of programming will they be carrying?* I'm curious as to what we'll be missing here to the north of their contour.

No idea. While they were on analog 25, they carried America One.
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post #8202 of 11584
4/30/10 at 7:38am
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Originally Posted by sebenste View Post

Hello everyone,

Been busy, but here we go:

Diligent broadcasting used to operate analog WMKB-LP channel 25 west of Rochelle. Now, the rumors I've heard for 2 years are true: They're headed for 300 watts on the Hancock, broadcasting physically on channel 8, directional southwest to protect PBS Milwaukee :

https://licensing.fcc.gov/cdbs/CDBS_...um=1&exhcnum=1

gotta love that 135km/81mile spacing on a channel that will get hammered by WMVS 2/3 of the year.

How about picking channel 9 instead? less interference, and you can actually cover the other half of the metro area too.

that pattern predicted in the document is B.S. too... There is plenty of fallout to the N and NW when you are up that high. Believe me... I've seen it with WCHU and that is at a higher frequency which is more easy to make directional due to antenna size.
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post #8203 of 11584
4/30/10 at 12:30pm
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Originally Posted by sebenste View Post

Nice, Bob! Now I know why 26 stunk for you...the Radio Shack UHF's don't do very well at that size.

OK, so now, try getting: WOCK-CD channel 4, WWTO-DT 10 (LaSalle/Ottawa, transmitter near Starved Rock, or pretty much due west of you), WLFI-DT 11 (Lafayette, IN, resolves to 18.1).

Analog: WWME-CA 23, WPVN-CA 24 Aurora, W25??, Home Shopping Network from the AON building, WEDE-CA 34, W40BY, WLFM-LP 6.

And finally, your website says you were getting WCCU from time to time, so that's whaat was indeed causing your interference!


I cant get WOCK for some reason, WWTO I have no issues when IM pointed that way. Im getting most of the analog's
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post #8204 of 11584
4/30/10 at 4:03pm
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Originally Posted by sebenste View Post

. . . Home Shopping Network from the AON building . . .

Uh, you mean the Standard Oil Building!
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post #8205 of 11584
4/30/10 at 5:53pm
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Originally Posted by Rammitinski View Post

Yeah, a lot of the "industry" people on this forum were practically assuring people that would be rectified after "the OTA digital transition", once things settled down and they could devote more focus to that.

Thanks Rammitinski. So it's an issue of laziness vs. anything truly technical. I would think that whatever gear the stations use for their time would have the ability to properly sync with a NTP server or similar before sending the signal. I mean how hard is it to point to time.nist.gov?
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post #8206 of 11584
4/30/10 at 10:11pm
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Originally Posted by mk1277 View Post

Thanks Rammitinski. So it's an issue of laziness vs. anything truly technical.

Really more like priorities and $$$$. Wouldn't surprise me one bit if the pay providers (with the government's backing) were giving them some kind of incentive to neglect it, so you'd have to rent their DVR's to record.
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post #8207 of 11584
4/30/10 at 10:13pm
By the way, I noticed the commercial for "The Birds" on WCIU-DT last night had it in 4:3. It looked pretty mediocre, too (even most of the movies on 26.4 looked much better).

If it looks anything like that tonight, I'll be flipping on over to The Stooges real quick, for sure.
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post #8208 of 11584
4/30/10 at 10:32pm
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Originally Posted by sebenste View Post

No idea. While they were on analog 25, they carried America One.

Thanks, Gilbert; guess we'll have to wait and see.
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post #8209 of 11584
5/1/10 at 3:18am
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Originally Posted by Rammitinski View Post

By the way, I noticed the commercial for "The Birds" on WCIU-DT last night had it in 4:3. It looked pretty mediocre, too (even most of the movies on 26.4 looked much better).

If it looks anything like that tonight, I'll be flipping on over to The Stooges real quick, for sure.

I would hope myself that WCIU obtained a copy of the movie in widescreen, and not a scaled down copy like movies were aired on TV years ago in the analog era. We do have to remember that WCIU still does all their promos in 4:3. I don't know what physical equipment they have for creating their promos, cameras, & editing software. I don't know if they have HD cameras in their studios yet or not. I would like to see more of their promos in 16:9 HD. As it stands, they have very little programming recorded in HD. I've only seen The King Of Queens (later episodes), The Insider, Comedy.TV, & WGN Sports that get farmed out to them when WGN must commit to CW programming. Maybe there's than I listed here, but this is what I know is in HD.
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post #8210 of 11584
5/1/10 at 4:07am
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Originally Posted by Rammitinski View Post

By the way, I noticed the commercial for "The Birds" on WCIU-DT last night had it in 4:3. It looked pretty mediocre, too (even most of the movies on 26.4 looked much better).

If it looks anything like that tonight, I'll be flipping on over to The Stooges real quick, for sure.

Promotions department is still catching up to the HD world.
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post #8211 of 11584
5/1/10 at 4:15am
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Originally Posted by dave73 View Post

I would hope myself that WCIU obtained a copy of the movie in widescreen, and not a scaled down copy like movies were aired on TV years ago in the analog era. We do have to remember that WCIU still does all their promos in 4:3. I don't know what physical equipment they have for creating their promos, cameras, & editing software. I don't know if they have HD cameras in their studios yet or not. I would like to see more of their promos in 16:9 HD. As it stands, they have very little programming recorded in HD. I've only seen The King Of Queens (later episodes), The Insider, Comedy.TV, & WGN Sports that get farmed out to them when WGN must commit to CW programming. Maybe there's than I listed here, but this is what I know is in HD.

The movie came to us in the HDCAM format. It's looks about as good as an old movie converted to HD could. All cameras in our building are HD. Some just shoot SD at the monent. HD video storage is a killer at the monent. Once that is rectified, they'll be alot more in HD. HD commercials are slowly flowing in as well. As for HD programming, it's really up to the syndicator whether it's provided in HD or not. Delivery methods for them are now starting to catch up with technology as well.
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post #8212 of 11584
5/1/10 at 4:16am
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Originally Posted by Semaphoric View Post

Uh, you mean the Standard Oil Building!

Wow, haven't heard anyone refer to that name in quite a while. (Thats how I've always known it as)
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post #8213 of 11584
5/1/10 at 10:34am
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Originally Posted by hvs10trk View Post

... HD video storage is a killer at the monent. Once that is rectified, they'll be alot more in HD. ...

2 gb drives going for $120, how many should i send over?

no really how much storage space?

Are we talking TeraByte, or PetaBytes?
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post #8214 of 11584
5/1/10 at 12:49pm
Anyone else notice the time on WGN is like an hour and some ahead of the actual time? Like the programs and times are correct in the guide, but the clock is an hour some ahead. I noticed this like a day or so ago, and just wondered if anyone else noticed this too?
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post #8215 of 11584
5/1/10 at 1:46pm
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Originally Posted by hvs10trk View Post

Wow, haven't heard anyone refer to that name in quite a while. (Thats how I've always known it as)

And that's what it shall always be known as.

People still call U.S. Cellular Field "Comiskey" all the time, too (actually, many dumb-@$$es often call it "Kominski" - and as a lifelong Sox fan, that's always what will really bug me the most ).
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post #8216 of 11584
5/1/10 at 2:31pm
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Originally Posted by OTA_GUY View Post

2 gb drives going for $120, how many should i send over?

no really how much storage space?

Are we talking TeraByte's, or PetaBytes?

Terabytes. Problem is the Editing system only uses qualified storage. Otherwise we'd been on top of that long ago.
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post #8217 of 11584
5/1/10 at 2:39pm
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Originally Posted by hvs10trk View Post

The movie came to us in the HDCAM format. It's looks about as good as an old movie converted to HD could. All cameras in our building are HD. Some just shoot SD at the monent. HD video storage is a killer at the monent. Once that is rectified, they'll be alot more in HD. HD commercials are slowly flowing in as well. As for HD programming, it's really up to the syndicator whether it's provided in HD or not. Delivery methods for them are now starting to catch up with technology as well.

At least we know that you have HD cameras. As for the syndicated programming; I'm well aware that you have no control over that. It's either shot in HD or it isn't. In the case of Seinfeld (I know that WFLD airs it, but using this as an example), I didn't even know the original series was shot in widescreen. I only learned thru wikipedia that the syndicators went back thru the original film and made slight adjustments in order for the program to fit the 16:9 aspect ratio. I heard they had small parts of the top & bottom of the picture cropped to make it wisescreen, while during the NTSC days, the left & right sides were cropped. Who knows how many older shows were originally widescreen, though I wouldn't consider older shows shot in widescreen to be true HD. If anything, probably ED (Enhanced Definition, as in 480p). I have seen Seinfeld in widescreen on a couple of occasions. Since I don't have an HDTV, I can't tell the difference in picture quality. I don't expect most talk shows to go HD anytime soon, though some like Oprah & Ellen are HD.
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post #8218 of 11584
5/1/10 at 3:37pm
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Originally Posted by hvs10trk View Post

Terabytes. Problem is the Editing system only uses qualified storage.

Avid qualified storage

Time to switch to Finalcut or Premiere
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post #8219 of 11584
5/1/10 at 5:42pm
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Originally Posted by OTA_GUY View Post

Avid qualified storage

Time to switch to Finalcut or Premiere

We do have several final cut suites for THIS movie and promo edits, everything else is AVID. Would love to throw 80tb in with fiber connectivity to the host, but bandwidth suffers. AVID is slowly waking up to reality.
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post #8220 of 11584
5/1/10 at 8:01pm
Sven Looked good in HD! Thumbs Up!
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