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post #9481 of 11591
12/2/10 at 6:53pm
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Originally Posted by LithOTA View Post

Boy, that RTV on WPVN thing sure is working out well. I predict that it will get dozens of viewers.

You mean that pixelated color phase shift mess. It shows nothing but amateurs working at WPVN's engineering dept. Very sad
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post #9482 of 11591
12/2/10 at 8:49pm
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You mean that pixelated color phase shift mess. It shows nothing but amateurs working at WPVN's engineering dept. Very sad

It REALLY is And the thing is, they don't even realize that over half the area CAN'T get them. At all. I'm very very surprised WPVN actually went through with launching RTV here with the station in that condition. You know, this is reminding me a lot of WJYS during the period they tried to be a General Market Independent in '95 and '96. At that time, only the Southern half of the area could get them. If you were North of the city you were completely out of luck. I know now the reason for that, as explained to me here, had to do with how WJYS's physical antenna placement in relation to now WXFT and WGBO needing to be a certain number of miles away from each other but even still they could have planned much much better. Had they planned better they'd have done a whole lot better than they did I think.

As for WPVN, they really need to get some experienced engineers who can fix the gigantic mess (Going from what I'm reading here from those who CAN get it, it's a colossal mess indeed). Once that's done and they can get it stable they need to work on upping coverage area so most of us can get it. If anyone from that station IS reading this and I highly doubt that I have this much to say and I mean no disrespect...

Look guys, if WDCI, a frickin Daystar affiliate no less, was able to get themselves up and running to where I can at least get it now here in the South Suburbs then you guys can certainly do the same and really need to. There's no excuses for your huge mess I keep reading about You're now an affiliate of a network a lot of people here wanted. Step up to the plate, bring some experienced people in to fix your issues, and at least make an effort to expand your coverage area. The way it is now just ain't gonna float for very long.

I can't imagine RTV being too very happy with the situation at WPVN but there's not a lot of choice but to hope things improve drastically there since every other channel here passed on it. I still think RTV just needs to go to Jovon and make them an offer for WJYS they can't refuse. WJYS now has the coverage area to reliably cover all of Chicagoland and I just feel that would be a far better situation for RTV at this point. If they're gonna fly in Chicago, they need an affiliate who they can count on. I may be e-mailing the RTV people about this because it's just messed up.
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post #9483 of 11591
12/2/10 at 9:23pm
AMEN bh7812! I can't think of a better way to say it myself!
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post #9484 of 11591
12/3/10 at 7:18am
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It REALLY is And the thing is, they don't even realize that over half the area CAN'T get them. At all. I'm very very surprised WPVN actually went through with launching RTV here with the station in that condition. You know, this is reminding me a lot of WJYS during the period they tried to be a General Market Independent in '95 and '96. At that time, only the Southern half of the area could get them. If you were North of the city you were completely out of luck. I know now the reason for that, as explained to me here, had to do with how WJYS's physical antenna placement in relation to now WXFT and WGBO needing to be a certain number of miles away from each other but even still they could have planned much much better. Had they planned better they'd have done a whole lot better than they did I think.

As for WPVN, they really need to get some experienced engineers who can fix the gigantic mess (Going from what I'm reading here from those who CAN get it, it's a colossal mess indeed). Once that's done and they can get it stable they need to work on upping coverage area so most of us can get it. If anyone from that station IS reading this and I highly doubt that I have this much to say and I mean no disrespect...

Look guys, if WDCI, a frickin Daystar affiliate no less, was able to get themselves up and running to where I can at least get it now here in the South Suburbs then you guys can certainly do the same and really need to. There's no excuses for your huge mess I keep reading about You're now an affiliate of a network a lot of people here wanted. Step up to the plate, bring some experienced people in to fix your issues, and at least make an effort to expand your coverage area. The way it is now just ain't gonna float for very long.

I can't imagine RTV being too very happy with the situation at WPVN but there's not a lot of choice but to hope things improve drastically there since every other channel here passed on it. I still think RTV just needs to go to Jovon and make them an offer for WJYS they can't refuse. WJYS now has the coverage area to reliably cover all of Chicagoland and I just feel that would be a far better situation for RTV at this point. If they're gonna fly in Chicago, they need an affiliate who they can count on. I may be e-mailing the RTV people about this because it's just messed up.


I don't know what WPVN's budget is. This may prevent them from hiring anyone with enough technical knowledge or use the proper equipment to receive RTV.

If I would have to guess the pixelation of RTV is caused by a low signal issue receiving the satellite feed. They probably don't have a dish up to the task or aligned properly. S2 modulation requires a large 12 foot or better dish to be stable. Allot of the hobbyists with smaller dishes have issues with RTV's master feeds all the time. Now the color phase issue that could be anywhere in the chain.
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post #9485 of 11591
12/3/10 at 11:04am
Well, the guy running things doesn't answer email. They don't have their programming listed on Tribune media's TV listings. Seems like it's a 1 man shop with the wrong email.

re: the signal, there's a few SW suburbs stations we don't get in NE Cook Co. That's how LD works.
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post #9486 of 11591
12/3/10 at 12:18pm
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Originally Posted by bh7812 View Post
I can't imagine RTV being too very happy with the situation at WPVN but there's not a lot of choice but to hope things improve drastically there since every other channel here passed on it. I still think RTV just needs to go to Jovon and make them an offer for WJYS they can't refuse. WJYS now has the coverage area to reliably cover all of Chicagoland and I just feel that would be a far better situation for RTV at this point. If they're gonna fly in Chicago, they need an affiliate who they can count on. I may be e-mailing the RTV people about this because it's just messed up.
WJYS is also carried by Comcast (main, MCTV, and WJYS2 [WJYS2 is set up but dead here in Schaumburg, though.]). WPVN isn't. On the other hand, I wonder if that Comcast carriage could be an issue against RTV due to competition from MeTV/MeToo and AntennaTV?
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post #9487 of 11591
12/3/10 at 1:44pm
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Originally Posted by tvropro View Post

If I would have to guess the pixelation of RTV is caused by a low signal issue receiving the satellite feed.

Pixelation? I wonder if you're just not receiving it solidly enough.

I get it in completely stable, and I rarely ever see any of what I'd call pixelation. It's either completely black (but I know it's coming in solid, because I can still see the data line on top and the 4:3 border edges on the sides of the pic - and my TiVo doesn't say "channel not being received", like it usually would), or the video and/or audio are stuttering on and off.

It's actually been completely black (and silent) more often than anything else when I've gone by it in the past week.
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post #9488 of 11591
12/3/10 at 3:26pm
With my Zenith DTT, it's usually B&W with pale pink and green vertical stripes. On a Sony TV, it was just B&W but had interference that looked like an analog that was fine-tuned just a bit too high.
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post #9489 of 11591
12/3/10 at 4:49pm
I thought my post might churn up some action.

Great point about WDCI-57 on RF30. While the content isn't my cup of tea, the station seems to run great and the signal is very good for a low-power.
So, with apologies to my dear late Grandma Kosowski...
How many Polish-Americans does it take to run a TV station?
I wish they would either fix these tech issues or get off the air. With them out of the way, I could get the PBS in Madison, WHA.
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post #9490 of 11591
12/3/10 at 5:26pm
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Originally Posted by LithOTA View Post

I thought my post might churn up some action.

Great point about WDCI-57 on RF30. While the content isn't my cup of tea, the station seems to run great and the signal is very good for a low-power.
So, with apologies to my dear late Grandma Kosowski...
How many Polish-Americans does it take to run a TV station?
I wish they would either fix these tech issues or get off the air. With them out of the way, I could get the PBS in Madison, WHA.

I agree that WDCI-LD does come in great for an LP station. It's the only LP station from Chicago I don't need a pre-amp for . I unfortunately need one for WWME-LD, since there's a null toward Indiana (not sure what station they could be protecting in Indiana or Michigan), I only get it with a pre-amp with the current antenna (get it with my Winegard HD-1080, but not a steady signal).

I can't comment on WPVN-LD, as I don't get it at all (too far to get their signal). I could imagine that you wish you could get WHA-TV again, instead of WPVN-LD. I have yet to pickup WHA, but did pickup WKOW once (a first for any Madison Wisconsin station ever). If I get anything from Wisconsin, it's usually MPTV's WMVS on RF 8 (only got them in digital, but never in analog). Wish I could get WMVT, but got them a few times in analog, but not in digital. With WNIT also being on RF 35, & with them only being 60 miles from me, I'm more likely to get WNIT than WMVT.
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post #9491 of 11591
12/3/10 at 6:46pm
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Originally Posted by Rammitinski View Post

Pixelation? I wonder if you're just not receiving it solidly enough.

I get it in completely stable, and I rarely ever see any of what I'd call pixelation. It's either completely black (but I know it's coming in solid, because I can still see the data line on top and the 4:3 border edges on the sides of the pic - and my TiVo doesn't say "channel not being received", like it usually would), or the video and/or audio are stuttering on and off.

It's actually been completely black (and silent) more often than anything else when I've gone by it in the past week.

I should have used a different term. It flashes from picture to black and goes completely black. I have no problem with my OTA signal that is solid and high. It's the satellite receiver falling off the digital cliff.
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post #9492 of 11591
12/4/10 at 11:41am
wwme 23-2

still on daylight savings eh?

kd9fz
comments, criticisms and questions of sanity are always welcome
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post #9493 of 11591
12/5/10 at 1:52am
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wwme 23-2

still on daylight savings eh?

kd9fz
comments, criticisms and questions of sanity are always welcome

At my end, their programming guide is on standard time. Weigel Broadcasting is slow to fix their DST, but my DTV box is picking up the programming guide, with the programming, within minutes of the time the program starts. What TV, DTV box, or computer program are you using that WWME-LD 23.2 still shows DST? If DST is turned off (if an option in the menu), that might explain the problem. And yes I am talking about WWME-LD 23.2, as I get the station with a pre-amp
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post #9494 of 11591
12/5/10 at 1:14pm
I noticed last night that 26-6 at least had the correct information in it now (the 26-1 info).
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post #9495 of 11591
12/5/10 at 3:48pm
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At my end, their programming guide is on standard time. Weigel Broadcasting is slow to fix their DST, but my DTV box is picking up the programming guide, with the programming, within minutes of the time the program starts. What TV, DTV box, or computer program are you using that WWME-LD 23.2 still shows DST? If DST is turned off (if an option in the menu), that might explain the problem. And yes I am talking about WWME-LD 23.2, as I get the station with a pre-amp

Not slow, just a bit more complex then it should be.
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post #9496 of 11591
12/5/10 at 3:57pm
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Originally Posted by tvropro View Post

I don't know what WPVN's budget is. This may prevent them from hiring anyone with enough technical knowledge or use the proper equipment to receive RTV.

If I would have to guess the pixelation of RTV is caused by a low signal issue receiving the satellite feed. They probably don't have a dish up to the task or aligned properly. S2 modulation requires a large 12 foot or better dish to be stable. Allot of the hobbyists with smaller dishes have issues with RTV's master feeds all the time. Now the color phase issue that could be anywhere in the chain.

From the looks (or from lack of looks) of 24-1 it could also be a mis-programmed encoder. The older ones are pretty idiot-proof, but the newer once have a big learning curve. Audio is studdering with no picture for me. I haven't run into an Sat RX that can duplicate that! (But there's a first for everything)
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post #9497 of 11591
12/6/10 at 6:19am
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Originally Posted by hvs10trk View Post

From the looks (or from lack of looks) of 24-1 it could also be a mis-programmed encoder. The older ones are pretty idiot-proof, but the newer once have a big learning curve. Audio is studdering with no picture for me. I haven't run into an Sat RX that can duplicate that! (But there's a first for everything)

Digital you gotta love it
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post #9498 of 11591
12/6/10 at 7:32pm
Well, as of this afternoon WDCI 57-1 is coming in rock solid here..the PQ issues I was having, probably due to how their signal was weaker have now cleared up completely. The audio is also coming in ok now too.

Tsk tsk, WPVN, tsk tsk..they've done what you should be doing. WDCI has done one of the biggest turn arounds I've ever seen. It's gone from, at least where I am, where I couldn't even get it at all TWO WEEKS ago to now getting it rock solid. I'm nothing short of extremely surprised and impressed.

They should just trade..Daystar moves to WPVN and RTV should move to WDCI at this point.

Still fully intending to write an e-mail to RTV about that station, it's all written and done just need to send it to them now. I really hope at least they can get somewhere for the sake of everyone who really wanted a RTV affiliate here.
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post #9499 of 11591
12/6/10 at 7:34pm
Well, as of this afternoon WDCI 57-1 is coming in rock solid here..the PQ issues I was having, probably due to how their signal was weaker have now cleared up completely. The audio is also coming in ok now too.

a BIG Tsk tsk, WPVN, tsk tsk..they've done what you should be doing. WDCI has done one of the biggest turn arounds I've ever seen. It's gone from, at least where I am, where I couldn't even get it at all TWO WEEKS ago to now getting it rock solid. I'm nothing short of extremely surprised and impressed.

They should just trade..Daystar moves to WPVN and RTV should move to WDCI at this point.

Still fully intending to write an e-mail to RTV about that station, it's all written and done just need to send it to them now. I really hope at least they can get somewhere for the sake of everyone who really wanted a RTV affiliate here.
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post #9500 of 11591
12/6/10 at 8:09pm
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Originally Posted by bh7812 View Post


Still fully intending to write an e-mail to RTV about that station, it's all written and done just need to send it to them now. I really hope at least they can get somewhere for the sake of everyone who really wanted a RTV affiliate here.

Good luck. I've yet to get a response from 3 emails.
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post #9501 of 11591
12/7/10 at 6:10am
Does anyone know where WPVN's offices are located? There is a building in Bensenville on Rt 83, next to Dunkin Donuts...it has signs on it (in Polish) that seem to refer to a television station, but the building is dark and empty.
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post #9502 of 11591
12/7/10 at 7:37am
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Originally Posted by LithOTA View Post

Does anyone know where WPVN's offices are located? There is a building in Bensenville on Rt 83, next to Dunkin Donuts...it has signs on it (in Polish) that seem to refer to a television station, but the building is dark and empty.

They probably have the same address as Elmwood Blues.
1060 W. Addision
Chicago
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post #9503 of 11591
12/7/10 at 8:01am
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They probably have the same address as Elmwood Blues.
1060 W. Addision
Chicago

That must mean that the phone number is 588-2300.
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post #9504 of 11591
12/7/10 at 8:09am
There is an application for a microwave filed by WPVN at Transmit Location
Polnet Communications, Ltd. 3656 W. Belmont Ave Chicago, IL
COOK County
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post #9505 of 11591
12/7/10 at 10:42am
Perhaps we should organize a protest march. We could wave signs that say "Free Channel 20", "Use it or Lose it", and "We want our RTV!".
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post #9506 of 11591
12/7/10 at 12:08pm
You might want to wait awhile on that, if you plan on doing it in Chicago. There's a possibility that the streets may already be full of protestors, and it might not be safe to even go into there at all.
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post #9507 of 11591
12/7/10 at 1:43pm
Too bad this couldn't have been an option for RTV or even other subs like The Cool TV: http://chicagoradioandmedia.com/news...v-station-sold. Even though I have no desire to watch the programming on this station, it will be very interesting to see how it's launch goes. (No doubt better then WPVN.)
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post #9508 of 11591
12/7/10 at 9:01pm
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That must mean that the phone number is 588-2300.

That would explain why they are having so many problems. The Empire man trying to run a TV station...

Are we that far off base though?
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post #9509 of 11591
12/7/10 at 9:06pm
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Too bad this couldn't have been an option for RTV or even other subs like The Cool TV: http://chicagoradioandmedia.com/news...v-station-sold. Even though I have no desire to watch the programming on this station, it will be very interesting to see how it's launch goes. (No doubt better then WPVN.)

I love this.... The station is licensed to Palatine but doesn't even cover it! HAHAHA!

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?call=WESV&city=&state=

How inept is the FCC in allowing this? This is another one of those highly directional to the SW signals.
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post #9510 of 11591
12/7/10 at 11:09pm
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I love this.... The station is licensed to Palatine but doesn't even cover it! HAHAHA!

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?call=WESV&city=&state=

How inept is the FCC in allowing this? This is another one of those highly directional to the SW signals.

From what I read somewhere, that LPTV stations only have to transmit somewhere in the market, but not necessarily cover the COL. WEDE-CA no longer covers Arlington Heights, thanks to the FCC making the station put a null to the NW, in order to allow WISN's digital allocation to be shoehorned in. Had it not been for WEDE-CA being a Class A, they would have been forced off the air. I don't know when WISN was given their channel allocation for digital. WPVN-LD barely reaches Aurora with their digital dignal in Schaumburg.

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Originally Posted by LATV View Post

There is an application for a microwave filed by WPVN at Transmit Location
Polnet Communications, Ltd. 3656 W. Belmont Ave Chicago, IL
COOK County

I don't know about all of Polnet's operations, but I do know that's the address for where Polvision is located. I've passed by the location on a few occasions. I don't exactly remember which building they're in, but I only know it's on the north side of the street.
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