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post #121 of 1315
BTW, setting up Cable Card in Media Center is very easy - if you plug the card in while Media Center is open it'll pop up with a window asking you if you'd like to configure it now. From there it's very simple and it just takes a few clicks to update the security components for digital cable, activate, and choose your local provider before setting up the guide. Provided that there are no issues on the cable companies side in terms of making sure they provide you with a "hot" card, you're golden.
post #122 of 1315
Also, we are still behind on finishing up the Pro Cinema. If anyone ordered one of these (or the similar S95) and would like to get a DCT system much faster, we will expedite a Grand Theater build for you at a comparable price and same or better config. I'll let you guys know when we're finished...
post #123 of 1315
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Originally Posted by ChrisMorley View Post

If I were you I'd highly suggest upgrading to the Microsoft Wireless Entertainment Desktop 7000 - you can call sales to get that taken care of. It's the best gaming solution for the living room.

Thanks Chris. I called sales and took care of the upgrade. I also sent you an email with my order number. Once again thanks for all your help.

I'll let people know my experience in having Comcast come out and install the card in the machine as soon as I get it done.
post #124 of 1315
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Originally Posted by ChrisMorley View Post

BTW, setting up Cable Card in Media Center is very easy - if you plug the card in while Media Center is open it'll pop up with a window asking you if you'd like to configure it now. From there it's very simple and it just takes a few clicks to update the security components for digital cable, activate, and choose your local provider before setting up the guide. Provided that there are no issues on the cable companies side in terms of making sure they provide you with a "hot" card, you're golden.

Chris, thank you for your help.

I have a question about configuration. Is there any problem configuring the DCT without the CableCard into Media Center first and then configuring the CableCard later? I would need to choose the local provider and set up the guide to configure the DCT without the CableCard. Will Media Center recognize the external DCT when it is connected to USB and then recognize when a CableCard is plugged in to the DCT later?
post #125 of 1315
I think the deal is that the MCE will treat the tuner as a standard QAM tuner without the cablecard in the tuner. That means that you'll be able to receive all the non scrambled SD and HD channels. I'm not sure if you have to completely reset the guide data and planned recordings when you then insert the cable card, but the bottom line is that it will work as a tuner without the card.
post #126 of 1315
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Originally Posted by BenMiller View Post

Chris, thank you for your help.

I have a question about configuration. Is there any problem configuring the DCT without the CableCard into Media Center first and then configuring the CableCard later? I would need to choose the local provider and set up the guide to configure the DCT without the CableCard. Will Media Center recognize the external DCT when it is connected to USB and then recognize when a CableCard is plugged in to the DCT later?

Yup, you can set it up without a card and then when you plug in a card MC detects it and asks if you'd like to set it up now...
post #127 of 1315
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Originally Posted by BenMiller View Post

Chris, thank you for your help.

I have a question about configuration. Is there any problem configuring the DCT without the CableCard into Media Center first and then configuring the CableCard later? I would need to choose the local provider and set up the guide to configure the DCT without the CableCard. Will Media Center recognize the external DCT when it is connected to USB and then recognize when a CableCard is plugged in to the DCT later?


It will work as a analog, digital OTA, or QAM tuner without a CableCard. You would setup the guide appropriately. If you don't have a CableCARD MCE knows and will give you info telling you this. In fact it tells you to set it up this way initially before calling your cable company. Once you plug in the CableCARD it will recognize it and ask you to activate the card. At that time you will setup the guide again and change to the digital guide for you cable company.

Setting up for QAM is different and requires you to do a "scan for additional services". In general there is no guide for QAM and you are required to setup the guide manually by determining the which channel is what and mapping the guide to the QAM channel. For example it will just have a channel 2445 and then you to go into the guide setup and tell it "okay that's FOX, so use this guide information for this channel"
post #128 of 1315
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Originally Posted by ChrisMorley View Post

Provided that there are no issues on the cable companies side in terms of making sure they provide you with a "hot" card, you're golden.

If you would like to see some issues check a few of these out:

Tivo series 3 cable card threads
post #129 of 1315
I have complete faith in VM's and MS's ability to get the technology working for cablecard.

I don't have faith in VM's or MS's ability to get the Cable companies to provision or install cablecards correctly. No offense intended but these are political issues not technological ones.

I think if MS can get the satellite cards in MCE it will force the cable companies to start rolling out cablecard (i.e. setting up their headends correctly, training CSR's on the technology, training installers on the technology) because they'll have to to avoid loosing customers to satellite.

I have cox cable, I went to the s3tivo-cablecard forums and read the threads. I recall reading one positive install experience.

I really hope the cable companies surprise me with their handling of cablecard but I am really afraid that the cable company issues will give MCE a black eye.
post #130 of 1315
Chris,

What kind of coax cabling ships with dual tuner systems? I just want to know if I should pick up a coax splitter and a couple of short coax cables before the system arrives.

Thanks
post #131 of 1315
Looks lilke Engadeget HD is reading this forumn - they are quoting chris as shipping soon.
post #132 of 1315
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Originally Posted by rickhuizinga View Post

Chris,

What kind of coax cabling ships with dual tuner systems? I just want to know if I should pick up a coax splitter and a couple of short coax cables before the system arrives.

Thanks

None at this point until we get customer requests. I know Comcast here provides splitters and all the coax cabling you need...
post #133 of 1315
You definitely want to get splitters from your cable company and I'd have them test the signal before and after the splitter. As stated here, the OCUR is very sensitive to the quality of signal it's feed. The average two way splitter looses 3.5db per split and you likely already have other splitters inline before it gets to your OCUR.

If your house has the old RG59 pre-wired then most likely you're going to have to get a new RG6 line run from the Cable Co. I've had to replace every RG59 drop in my house to support HD STB boxes and those are far less picky about the signal then the OCUR box is.
post #134 of 1315
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Originally Posted by GamingDoc View Post

Thanks Chris. I called sales and took care of the upgrade. I also sent you an email with my order number. Once again thanks for all your help.

I'll let people know my experience in having Comcast come out and install the card in the machine as soon as I get it done.

I would wait for the 8000 series to come out... It has a rechargeable, backlit keyboard.
post #135 of 1315
This is all very exciting. I'll have to wait a few months before I can put an order in on this, and I'd like to wait and see how the Comcast installs go. Congratulations to VM for their hard work making this happen.
post #136 of 1315
Cris - do you see VM ever having a HTPC with the following components:

802.11n
HD/BR combo Drive

I think that is going to be the missing link to an all-in-one HTPC.

Thanks
post #137 of 1315
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Originally Posted by aamsergie View Post

Cris - do you see VM ever having a HTPC with the following components:

802.11n
HD/BR combo Drive

I think that is going to be the missing link to an all-in-one HTPC.

Thanks

Yes on both accounts.
post #138 of 1315
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Originally Posted by aamsergie View Post

Cris - do you see VM ever having a HTPC with the following components:

802.11n
HD/BR combo Drive

I think that is going to be the missing link to an all-in-one HTPC.

Thanks

Those components can be added after the fact by the user without impacting the DCT configuration/authorization.
post #139 of 1315
This sounds too good to pass up... except for one caveat. The recoded data is forever tied to the computer with DCT config. If you change any of those components (upgrade mobo, software, etc) will you lose all those recorded shows forever? Seems like if I legitimately pay for this DCT config, I should be able to transfer the encrypted data to another setup down the road. The data would still be in my possession and not pirated or distributed in any way. Could you guys at VM make this happen through some kind of licensing agreement?

-- Tony
post #140 of 1315
This sounds too good to pass up... except for one caveat. The recoded data is forever tied to the computer with DCT config. If you change any of those components (upgrade mobo, software, etc) will you lose all those recorded shows forever? Seems like if I legitimately pay for this DCT config, I should be able to transfer the encrypted data to another setup down the road. The data would still be in my possession and not pirated or distributed in any way. Could you guys at VM make this happen through some kind of licensing agreement?

-- Tony
post #141 of 1315
post #142 of 1315
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Originally Posted by intofx View Post

This sounds too good to pass up... except for one caveat. The recoded data is forever tied to the computer with DCT config. If you change any of those components (upgrade mobo, software, etc) will you lose all those recorded shows forever? Seems like if I legitimately pay for this DCT config, I should be able to transfer the encrypted data to another setup down the road. The data would still be in my possession and not pirated or distributed in any way. Could you guys at VM make this happen through some kind of licensing agreement?

-- Tony

For what this is worth, and hopefully Chris can clear this up, but I was online talking with a rep today at the Velocity Micro website asking that very question and asked about replacing harddrives, motherboards and video cards in the future and she said that it should not be problem at all. Is this true?
post #143 of 1315
As far as I know the Media Center Editions DRM ties it to at least the motherboard of the unit & the OS installation it was recorded with.
Ghosting a HDD over to another unit nixes your ability to play any of the DRM-ed content that MCE has recorded. VM's machines are top notch and Id love to spend my money on their package; however I don't wish to be restricted in this way.
post #144 of 1315
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Originally Posted by ChrisMorley View Post

BTW, setting up Cable Card in Media Center is very easy - if you plug the card in while Media Center is open it'll pop up with a window asking you if you'd like to configure it now. From there it's very simple and it just takes a few clicks to update the security components for digital cable, activate, and choose your local provider before setting up the guide. Provided that there are no issues on the cable companies side in terms of making sure they provide you with a "hot" card, you're golden.

That is a pipe dream though. As easy as it may be for MC to see and configure the card. Do not expect it to be a smooth process. It took 4 hours for Time Warner to install one card in my TV. I can only imagine the tech trying to handle the computer. And I do not know about any other providers, but Time Warner, would under no circumstances allow me to pick up and install the card myself; they make you set up an appointment.

ps: TW installed my card for free when I told them I still wanted to keep the cable box and just add a cable card to the account (which was true for me). You could always cancel the box and turn it in the next month.
post #145 of 1315
Aside from confirming the ability to migrate recorded shows down the road, would this tuner config work? (1) DCT for HD premium only, (2) other tuner cards (MyHD, HDHomeRun, others?) for remaining digital line up and OTA HD channels. That way, all other digital channels (SD and OTA HD) are not encrypted and can be archived, correct? Also, I guess an IR blaster and STB would still be needed for SD digital cable tiers (along with an IR blaster.) Definitely not a perfect solution.

Also, would Vista's MCE integrate 3 tuner cards (ex, the combo above) into one EPG list of channels? Will I have to manually pick the tuner based on the type of show I record (ex, DCT for a DiscoverHD show, MyHD for an OTA CBSHD, etc.?)
post #146 of 1315
You can add supported OTA tuners (Fusion, Vbox, etc) in addition to the DCT's. MyHD isn't supported in Media Center as it doesn't have BDA drivers, so you can't use it at all. Additional STB's are also not supported when using DCT's.

You can only have a single Cable or Sat EPG + OTA channels.

Chris
post #147 of 1315
Sat is out for me (massive tree line - stuck with cable.) So, its either all encrypted cable with a DCT (SD & HD , all tiers), or an STB and IR blaster for SD digital tiers, but no HD premium recordings, correct? Are you saying you CANNOT add an OTA antenna to an additional tuner along with a cable STB?

Also, can anyone confirm the max number of tuner cards MCE can handle (smoothly integrated into one EPG)?
post #148 of 1315
Using a PC w/ DCT's will give you SD and HD including premium content in HD (unless your provider uses SDV). You can add OTA tuners to this setup and use a single integrated EPG. I do not believe that you can add an STB to this setup, that's going to confuse the EPG. Media Center will only work with a single EPG.

Using a STB with analog tuners, you will be able to tune everything including premium content, but only in SD. You can add OTA tuners to this setup and use a single integrated EPG.

Using STB's and OTA tuners, you can have just about as many tuners as you want. The max "offically supported" within Media Center is 2 analog and 2 OTA tuners. This can be changed and still have a working EPG.

If you are using DCT's, then will take the place of the analog tuners. So in that setup you can have 2 DCT's and 2 OTA tuners.

Chris
post #149 of 1315
Just to clarify, When Chris is saying OTA, he is referring to ATSC tunners, not NTSC. NTSC OTA uses the same tuning space as analog cable and external STB's.
post #150 of 1315
Thanks Chris. That clears up a lot. One thing: what is SDV?

So, the remaining big question is whether the DCT content (all digital cable tiers, SD &HD) can be transfered to another machine. Could this possibly work similar to how software is installed with its unique serial number? If you try to run more than one install of the same program, say on a LAN, it detects more than one version and shuts the other down. Could a similar licensing or registration of recorded content be developed, or am I just way off the mark?
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