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Panasonic DMR-ES10. Any good?

post #1 of 26
Thread Starter 
I know its an older gen Panny, but I've been offered one for a decent price. My main priority in a DVD recorder at this point is durability and reliabilty as I've had horrible experiences with an LG and a Benq. So is the ES10 good enough to last me a few trouble-free years? Or is it as I suspect more of a luck of the draw where anything can happen, but probably less so with the Panny than others brands?
post #2 of 26
I have both a Panny ES-10 and ES-15. I've been pleased with both units. The ES-15 travels with me while the ES-10 sits at home on an entertainment rack. I've had no trouble with either. HOWEVER....
Is the unit used or new? If used, then the previous ownership will have much more to do with the longevity than anything else.
That having been said, a lot of posters to this forum will agree that the ES-10 is a good solid unit and should give you excellent service till at least 3/09, when the internal tuner will be "obsolete".
post #3 of 26
Thread Starter 
Thanks crabboy, just the sort of info I wanted to know. The unit is brand new. So the tuner will be obsolete in 3/09? What does that mean in practical terms? That it will cease functioning? I have an external receiver that will serve as the main recording source for the ES10, so will the tuner still matter here?
post #4 of 26
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Originally Posted by bluer View Post

Thanks crabboy, just the sort of info I wanted to know. The unit is brand new. So the tuner will be obsolete in 3/09? What does that mean in practical terms? That it will cease functioning? I have a set-top box that will serve as the main recording source for the ES10, so will the tuner still matter here?

You'll be fine. The obsolete term only applies to people who get there television over the air with rabbit ears - a very small segment of the population. There will be no change for you with your STB. The tuner will also work with analog cable without an STB for years. The word "obsolete" is thrown around far too liberally.
post #5 of 26
I've had an ES-10 for 2 1/2 years. Have 150 permanent recordings made with it plus I've used it about 2x a week for time shifting during the regular season. I have to use it for playback on the time shifted material also, it's my only player that supports DVD RAM. It's holding up well, no problems with the laser or any other component.
post #6 of 26
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Originally Posted by nextoo View Post

You'll be fine. The obsolete term only applies to people who get there television over the air with rabbit ears - a very small segment of the population. There will be no change for you with your STB. The tuner will also work with analog cable without an STB for years. The word "obsolete" is thrown around far too liberally.

That's why I put "obsolete" in quotes. In fact, I started a thread to address this very issue. If the price is right, snatch up that ES-10.
post #7 of 26
Got it. I read it wrong. The ES10 might be going for a great price right now. I agree.
post #8 of 26
I have had my DMR-ES10 for 2 years and it has been Excellent! The First Panasonic DVD recorder to record +R and have the improved LP quality Also the first Panasonic recorder not made in Japan, The ES10 & ES20 were made in Singapore, The Current ES15 model is made in China

I wonder where the New 2007 Models will be made?

I would recommend going to Panasonic web site and downloading the new Film ware update for the ES10 so it can handle the x8 and higher speeds for recording
follow the instructions to the T.

also the First Panasonic DVD recorder was the DMR-E10
post #9 of 26
Thread Starter 
Thanks for your input pomeroy. It was my impression that the ES10 only does -R/-RW/RAM (as advertised), didnt know it can do +R as well.
post #10 of 26
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Originally Posted by bluer View Post

Thanks for your input pomeroy. It was my impression that the ES10 only does -R/-RW/RAM (as advertised), didnt know it can do +R as well.

It will do +R, although not +RW.
post #11 of 26
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Originally Posted by pomeroy View Post

I would recommend going to Panasonic web site and downloading the new Film ware update for the ES10 so it can handle the x8 and higher speeds for recording

Just to be on the safe side, I believe he meant "firmware"
post #12 of 26
i have had mine a little over 2 years no problems.
post #13 of 26
I have two -ES10's for approx two years. Good reliability on both. Was always concerned about the fact that there was no cooling fan but I suppose, with adequate ventilation, it's a minor issue. Has anyone had overheating issues with the ES-10?

ALSO, I have very dim (almost unreadable) displays on both units!
I know three others that have the exact same problem. Is this common for this (and/or other) Panny units? If it is, I personally believe that there should be some class action on the part of the thousands of users! The dimming occured after only several months and has gotten progressively worse over time. It makes it very difficult to monitor the display and is very annoying!

Any thoughts or comments?
post #14 of 26
Did you know you can select dim, bright, or auto from the setup menu? It is under the display tab. Mine is set at dim, no problem and no reason for a class action suit.
post #15 of 26
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Originally Posted by moxie1617 View Post

Did you know you can select dim, bright, or auto from the setup menu? It is under the display tab. Mine is set at dim, no problem and no reason for a class action suit.

Unfortunately, it's not a settings issue, it's a defective display! If you re-read my post you will see that I mentioned that it happenned after a few months and got progressively worse over time. It also has affected my 2 units plus 3 others, so I doubt if it's an uncommon problem!

ANY OTHER SUGGESTIONS, ANYONE?
post #16 of 26
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Originally Posted by slprp1 View Post

I have two -ES10's for approx two years. Good reliability on both. Was always concerned about the fact that there was no cooling fan but I suppose, with adequate ventilation, it's a minor issue. Has anyone had overheating issues with the ES-10?

ALSO, I have very dim (almost unreadable) displays on both units!
I know three others that have the exact same problem. Is this common for this (and/or other) Panny units? If it is, I personally believe that there should be some class action on the part of the thousands of users! The dimming occured after only several months and has gotten progressively worse over time. It makes it very difficult to monitor the display and is very annoying!

Any thoughts or comments?

I have not noticed any dimming on my ES10 display, But I am one of these people that when ever I am not using my TV,DVD or any electronic stuff I always unplug it, Just a habit. I have always been like that. the display on mine is still very bright

For the most part I have not had any over heating issues with my ES10, Like you when I got mine I was worried about it not having a fan. I remember 1 time I was making a big set of recorded shows and it took several days to complete and my ES10 did get real hot, I just decided to cut it off until it cooled down.

I don't think these problems are just with the ES10, I bought my sister a ES15 last Christmas and I said here we go ES10 vs ES15! I put that ES15 through its paces! At first I thought there an't no way that it will beat my ES10, I was very surprised. It kept up right with my ES10 But as far as quality built the ES10 is #1, I don't think you will find a ES15 still working after 2 years, might be wrong, Also the display on the ES15 right out of the box is dim, not as bright as the ES10 and in the few days I had the ES15 it to got real hot, Onething that always got me its got a cut out for a fan on the back but no FAN

As far as the dimming issue I don't no what you could do to help that? Maybe resetting it and then unpluging it for a while plug it back up see if that helps
post #17 of 26
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Originally Posted by pomeroy View Post

I have not noticed any dimming on my ES10 display, But I am one of these people that when ever I am not using my TV,DVD or any electronic stuff I always unplug it, Just a habit. I have always been like that. the display on mine is still very bright

For the most part I have not had any over heating issues with my ES10...

I don't think these problems are just with the ES10, I bought my sister a ES15 last Christmas...the display on the ES15 right out of the box is dim, not as bright as the ES10 and in the few days I had the ES15 it to got real hot, Onething that always got me its got a cut out for a fan on the back but no FAN

I have both an ES-10 and an ES-15. There must be some varience in these models since my ES-10 display has always been medium-bright at it's highest setting. It's, IMO, it's only real drawback. My ES-15's display has always been very bright. I've had no heating problems with either.

I've noticed no change in my ES-10's display, but now I'm paranoid
post #18 of 26
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Originally Posted by slprp1 View Post

ALSO, I have very dim (almost unreadable) displays on both units!
I know three others that have the exact same problem. Is this common for this (and/or other) Panny units? If it is, I personally believe that there should be some class action on the part of the thousands of users! The dimming occured after only several months and has gotten progressively worse over time. It makes it very difficult to monitor the display and is very annoying!

Any thoughts or comments?

The same problem has happened on my Toshiba XS-34 (21months) and XS-35 (5 months).
post #19 of 26
Thread Starter 
Well I just got my ES-10 and I like it so far. My old LG beats it in ergonomics and remote control layout, but sadly it was a horrible piece of junk to own. Hopefully the ES-10 will give me a few uneventful years of service.
post #20 of 26
Thread Starter 
OK I've only had this unit for a couple of days and I get my first problem. Hopefully its a disk issue pertaining to just this one disk, its a Sony (AccuCORE) DVD-RW and the ES-10 has given me a "self check" sign and stopped the recording, twice so far.
post #21 of 26
I've had mine for about a year and a half now. For the first 12 months, everything worked perfectly. Since then it's been throwing self-check and disk errors intermittently. For some reason it just can't read a disk sometimes. A fresh disk will work fine for a month or two, then it starts acting up. I suspect it's either dust or static that's the culprit, but I can't get a cleaning disk to work in it. If anyone has a solution, I'd love to hear it.
post #22 of 26
I have both the ES-10 and the ES-15 and by far the ES-10 is superior picture wise and longevity wise. I just returned a Panasonic DMR-EH75 that I bought two days ago, and am staying with the ES-10 for now. I can record and play back and copy back and forth between the two Panasonics, and that is just fine by me. No problem with the fading out of the display yet, but will keep my eyes open for that one. Am thinking now about an Code free ES-10 some of them are still out there. The other thing I like about the ES-10 over any other Panasonc recorder is that you have three inputs counting the one in front. The new machines have only two inputs. I also record exclusively to Panasonic DVD-Ram and Panasonic DVD-R discs and it DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE! Also ... I too have the problem of discs not recording well after a couple of months and I date them with magic marker on the front, and when they start to fail I pop in another one. Unfortunately soon I will have a nice collection of reject DVD's! Yikes!
post #23 of 26
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Originally Posted by jimbofish View Post

I've had mine for about a year and a half now. For the first 12 months, everything worked perfectly. Since then it's been throwing self-check and disk errors intermittently. For some reason it just can't read a disk sometimes. A fresh disk will work fine for a month or two, then it starts acting up. I suspect it's either dust or static that's the culprit, but I can't get a cleaning disk to work in it. If anyone has a solution, I'd love to hear it.

What brand of media are you using? Avoid Memorex and "no-name" media like the plague. I haven't run a cleaning disc yet, but there must be at least one that works.
post #24 of 26
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Originally Posted by crabboy View Post

What brand of media are you using? Avoid Memorex and "no-name" media like the plague. I haven't run a cleaning disc yet, but there must be at least one that works.

Originally I was using TDK RAM disks. When it first started acting up, we called Panasonic and they said to switch to Panasonic disks and that would cure the problem. It did for a while, but then the Panasonic discs started doing the same thing, but in a shorter time period. According to Panasonic, DVDRAM discs should be good for something like 100,000 recordings, and DVDRW for 1000. I haven't gotten even 100 out of any of them.

Curious, I recently went to the Panasonic website and in the FAQs, there is a topic that, in essence, says that there are only 3 or 4 manufacturers of discs and batches of discs from a given brand name could be made by any or all of the manufacturers over a period of time. They say warping, scratches, fingerprints, etc are more likely causes of problems than brand names. They also suggest the firmware updates to handle newer speeds and types of discs. Apparently, they've abandoned their previous recommendation to use Panasonic discs only.
post #25 of 26
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Originally Posted by jimbofish View Post

Originally I was using TDK RAM disks. When it first started acting up, we called Panasonic and they said to switch to Panasonic disks and that would cure the problem. It did for a while, but then the Panasonic discs started doing the same thing, but in a shorter time period. According to Panasonic, DVDRAM discs should be good for something like 100,000 recordings, and DVDRW for 1000. I haven't gotten even 100 out of any of them.

Curious, I recently went to the Panasonic website and in the FAQs, there is a topic that, in essence, says that there are only 3 or 4 manufacturers of discs and batches of discs from a given brand name could be made by any or all of the manufacturers over a period of time. They say warping, scratches, fingerprints, etc are more likely causes of problems than brand names. They also suggest the firmware updates to handle newer speeds and types of discs. Apparently, they've abandoned their previous recommendation to use Panasonic discs only.

There's a thread about Panasonic DVD-RAM discs. I don't remember the name; do a search. To sum up - the Panny manufacture process sometimes leaves a thin "film" of something on the discs. Clean the discs and try them again. I have found that they get dirty very easily. I have no experience with any other brand, but have found TDK products to be of superior quality over the years.
post #26 of 26
My ES-10 review....

Purchased new June 2005, and so far has held up well. Only drawback is the recording quailty of the 4 hr and up modes is awful. For 1 and 2 hours, the PQ is excellent. Chase play feature is nice.

No issues with the "dimming display" so far.
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