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post #31 of 236
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Originally Posted by TimSH View Post

Actually, I think it does... the sticking point, though, is that it only has it when playing back commercial DVDs.


How do you start the 1.5 playback with sounds? I mostly watch commercial DVDs, but haven't found a way to do this. It doesn't even tell you what speed the scan is at - only arrows appear in the direction you're scanning - the faster you go the more arrows. Oddly enough in slow motion it does tell the speed. But definitely no sound even at the slowest FF scan.
post #32 of 236
1.5 sound? I'm confused, is that one speaker with 5 subwoofers or do you really mean 5.1 sound? There should be a menu setting to tell your machine which sound to output (Dolby Digital or PCM -- something like that, I haven't used one myself).
post #33 of 236
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Originally Posted by sivartk View Post

1.5 sound? I'm confused, is that one speaker with 5 subwoofers or do you really mean 5.1 sound? There should be a menu setting to tell your machine which sound to output (Dolby Digital or PCM -- something like that, I haven't used one myself).


lol..

No, what the BB site claims is that you can search in FF motion at 1.5 speed with the audio soundtrack going. At least my unit doesn't do that.
post #34 of 236
I was looking at the two, digital-tunered models (DVD, VHS/DVD) at BB last night, and I noticed they mention that they (IR blaster) will also control satellite tuners.

Just thought i'd mention that if it would be of interest to anyone.
post #35 of 236
Just confirmed with LG customer service that the DR787T downconverts and then upconverts signals sent out via the HDMI port, not only when recording but also when just using the tuner. My extensive review of this unit is here:

http://www.epinions.com/content_334627114628
post #36 of 236
That was already confirmed last week - nice review.
post #37 of 236
so if I'm reading this thread correctly, we have confirmed that it records the widescreen flag? Also, does anyone have a link to the user's manual? I'm considering this for my grandparents, so ease of use is paramount.
post #38 of 236
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I think it does record the widescreen flag... Haven't seen the manul on line, LG's web page won't display this model. It is not easy to use by any stretch of the imagination.
post #39 of 236
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Originally Posted by bobbyslav View Post

I think it does record the widescreen flag... Haven't seen the manul on line, LG's web page won't display this model. It is not easy to use by any stretch of the imagination.

I guess I should clarify my meaning stating that ease of use should be for basic functions.

I.e.
Scheduling a recording
Deleting a recording
Playing a DVD
Playing a VHS Tape
Watching DTV
Switching between any of the above.

I don't think that they will use a time-chase or editing features.
post #40 of 236
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Again - not the easiest I've used. Scheduling recordings requires going into the set up menus. It's confusing at first, I am still getting used to it. Selecting channels is also weird because both analog and digital are scrolled in the same space - don't know how to explain - you can't select which type you want to use, unless you completely delete one or the other. There is no way to directly select which channel you want - say you have both channel 35 on the digital band and on the analog, if you press 3 5 on the remote you'll get the channel of the same type as the one you're currently watching. If you want the other type you'll have to scroll through all available channels of one type to get to the other. It's basically a mess.

Editing the available channels is also a pain, very slow to scroll through them, you can only go in one direction so when you get to the last available point you have to scroll all the way back to get to the beginning. For editing the channel lists the digital and analog bands are separated in different menus, but the selected channel only displays in a small window. There is a fine tunning option, which is pretty much useless because in the small window you can't really tell if the picture is getting any better or worse.

Watching DVDs is relatively easy, again not the easiest because of the lack of actual buttons on the unit, the touch panel could be annoying, but looks cool. Also the source button will not switch between TV and DVD (I don't have the VHS combo). The one thing this model has going for it as far as ease of use goes is the built in RF modulator, grandparents might like the familiar channel 3.

As I said scheduling a recording is not the easiest. In this aspect I still love my old LiteOn with its easy guider that walks you through it. On the LG you have to go into the set up menu, choose the right TV screen, because some options are done from one sub menu, others from a second. Then once you get to the timer recording you do everything manually, and you can't enter times and dates with the number buttons, you have to scroll up/down and then sideways to go to the next sellection. Also the frequency of a recording is selected through the same menu as the date - if you want to repeat daily, weekly, and so on you have to scroll the right way to get to that option.

I don't know, but overall as far as ease of use this LG is by far the second hardest recorder I've had, the only worse one is the Philips DVDR3400.
post #41 of 236
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Originally Posted by bobbyslav View Post

There is no way to directly select which channel you want - say you have both channel 35 on the digital band and on the analog, if you press 3 5 on the remote you'll get the channel of the same type as the one you're currently watching. If you want the other type you'll have to scroll through all available channels of one type to get to the other. It's basically a mess.

Not that big of a deal since they only use OTA so I'd "remove" the analog channels for them that they get a clear digital feed. With a limited number of channels, only on rare occasions do they key in the number. This is also pretty normal as my last 2 TV's with an HDTV tuner and my Sony HD DVR's do the same thing.

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Originally Posted by bobbyslav View Post

Editing the available channels is also a pain, very slow to scroll through them, you can only go in one direction so when you get to the last available point you have to scroll all the way back to get to the beginning.

Is this only during the editing process? If so, that is okay, I'll deal with the pain of setting it up. If this is normal surfing of TV channels, that won't work at all.

The scheduling recording you describe doesn't seem too much more difficult than my Panny E80H other than you don't have a direct access button on the remote.

Might buy one, take it home and test drive it and return if I think it is too difficult.
post #42 of 236
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I really don't mean to turn you off from this recorder, it's actually one of my favorite so far, I am just imagining my own grandmother trying to operate it, but then again she can barely figure out a toaster.

The one direction scanning is only during the channel edit, during regular TV watching you loop scan. The remote can also control basic features on several different brand TVs, although the list is very limited, my TV for instance is Toshiba and it is not on the list.
post #43 of 236
Stopped by our local Best Buy and saw the DR787T.

Hoping that someone who owns one knows more than the BB staff on duty today:

-Will this unit record input/photo's from a digital camera onto DVD via the front port(s)??

They'd sold me a LG RC199H, saying it would.....but I discovered otherwise and returned the unit.

Thanks!!
post #44 of 236
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OK... Forget every good thing I've written about this recorder, it has just earned its quick return. Two weeks after buying it and it's now barely recognizing any DVDs I put in it, I have to eject and insert the disc two and three times before it will finally recognize it. The picture is also getting progressively worse. I think the machine is pretty much falling apart. At first I thought it was just a fluke, but now it's doing it with every single disc I try. I had never experienced that before even with the cheapest DVD player or recorder. Oh yeah, I am talking about commercially released DVDs not recordable ones.

The digital tuner reception is also starting to act up. I have not moved the antenna since I bought it, at first it was getting great reception and never failed, now all channels are breaking up all the time, I've been playing with the antenna for two days now, and it keeps getting worse, I am not even getting some of the sub channels at all anymore. I am speculating here, but I think it might be all the heat that this recorder generates, something inside must've melted.
post #45 of 236
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And.... it's officially dead! Today it's not tunning a single digital channel, and the DVD playback stopped.
post #46 of 236
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And.... it's officially dead! Today it's not tunning a single digital channel, and the DVD playback stopped.

Sorry to hear about the premature death. But at least it did it fast enough so you are still under the store return period. So although the unit won't burn, you won't get burned.

We all have our opinions, mine has been that LG electronics is pretty much crap across the board. I got 2 LG cell phones recently. My wifes phone died in 1.5 months and the battery in mine died after only 2 months.
post #47 of 236
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Agreed on LG. Never had anything from them before, but they were GoldStar once, and changed the name to stay in business.
post #48 of 236
and stay away from Zenith branded products,they're LG too.
post #49 of 236
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There are still Zenith products? I haven't seen anything in about 3 years.
post #50 of 236
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Originally Posted by bobbyslav View Post

And.... it's officially dead! Today it's not tunning a single digital channel, and the DVD playback stopped.

Looks like the timing on their "expired warranty self destruct" circuit got screwed up by the daylight savings time change...
post #51 of 236
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There are still Zenith products? I haven't seen anything in about 3 years.

Circuit City sells a Zenith dvd recorder/vcr combo and vcr only(I have it,it sucks)
post #52 of 236
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Originally Posted by foxfan View Post

Why aren't any of these on Best Buy's website yet?

They are on Today's BB site 3/25/07. It's specs state NTSC TUNER. The box says Digital tuner. Anyway does anyone know if this unit has the "FAMOUS 5th GENERATION CHIPS" in it?
post #53 of 236
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What's the famous 5th generation chip?
post #54 of 236
The 5th gen chips are supposed to resist multipath better than all but the new 6th generation DTV decoder chips, which have added sensitivity vs. the 5th gen models.
post #55 of 236
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They are on Today's BB site 3/25/07. It's specs state NTSC TUNER. The box says Digital tuner. Anyway does anyone know if this unit has the "FAMOUS 5th GENERATION CHIPS" in it?

Just stopped by the local BB today at lunch and they finally had one in stock. I will post my tuner findings after I test it out.

Previously I tried the Samsung SIRT451 and the HTB260F, the later having a 5th Gen. tuner, and thus better reception for my particular multipath issues.
post #56 of 236
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Considering it's more like an SDTV tuner rather than HDTV, I seriously doubt it's the latest and greatest. Mine is having serious problems with the digital channels, sometimes they work fine, then they start dropping out, and at some points I can't get any at all. I think it overheats and starts acting up, because I haven't moved the antenna at all.

At least Philips is honest about what they are offering, they clearly indicate SDTV tuner on the product information pages, unlike the other companies. I bet not a single one will output true HDTV.
post #57 of 236
The tuner chips are like PC CPUs - once a gen becomes main stream everyone uses that and eventually you can't even get a previous gen one. Most/all? of them can output HD but because it's simpler to just output the SD signal going to the DVD that's what all of these first gen units seem to do.
post #58 of 236
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Well I finally found the time to go back to Best Buy to return this incredible waste of money. When I disconnected all the cables and lifted the unit, it was like a range top underneath, I thought it was hot to the touch on top, but the down side was burning hot, and my receiver was burning from it too. Also when I moved it away I heard stuff moving inside, like loose metal pieces. That noise was definitely not there when I bought the recorder and I haven't moved it nor shaken it or by any other way abused it.

I must've been out of mind to even consider keeping it - which I did, mostly because it looked so cute. When I finally came to my senses I realized that what I get for almost $250 after taxes are 6 lousy channels that give me combined three shows that I follow weekly, which I can see online. At the same time $250 is about a year of a basic satellite package.

Now I have my old LiteOn connected back. It only has component and coaxial video outputs, and you won't believe how much better DVD playback looks on my TV through the coax connection compared to the S-video of the LG.

When I was at Best Buy I briefly toyed with the thought of getting the LG 797, because it has a cooling fan on the back, which I am hoping would help keeping it from turning into a stove top. Then I thought that I'd be spending even more money and still end up with 6 lousy channels and Korean-via-China LG quality.
post #59 of 236
I've owned mine for less than 24 hours, and I've already decided to return this.

The poor tuner is the reason. I've owned the Samsung SIRT451 and TB260F, the 451 was good, the 260 was better, the LG 787 is really poor.

I have my antenna in a fixed position, and with the SIRT451 I was able to get 3 local stations (~20 miles). Only 1 is HD so I wanted long distance stations also.

I was able to receive 2 long distance stations (~75 miles) 24/7 with the SIRT451. With the HTB260F I was able to receive 3 more long distance stations.

I guess I expected this to be a set-top-box with a DVD recorder. It is basically a DVD recorder they decided to throw a ATSC tuner in. Using a set-top-box I was used to the Electronic Program Guide, and I expected it to be a part of the unit, but it is not.

The only plus I can find is the quality analog tuner, it is the best I've seen. I use OTA only, and where other tuners are snowy with weak stations, the LG is much clearer. (The irony here is this part is obsolete in 23 months). Whereas the digital tuner will suck forever.

I used the optical digital connection to my receiver, and it does pass 5.1 audio for DVDs, but I couldn't receive long distance stations in HD and 5.1 audio to see if the digital tuner was able to process 5.1 audio.

This did not meet my expectations.

OnAir GT, here I come!
post #60 of 236
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Originally Posted by DrBri99 View Post


The poor tuner is the reason. I've owned the Samsung SIRT451 and TB260F, the 451 was good, the 260 was better, the LG 787 is really poor.

For OTA folks this is the deciding factor - obviously LG cheapened out with the tuner chip or set up.
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