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post #61 of 236
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Just a little note on Best Buy's practices. When I took the LG back, the customer service woman asked me what was wrong with it, I told her it overheats and stops working, then she put it back in the box, closed it with a tape that says: Quality Checked by Best Buy - and will most probably put it back on the shelve as an open box item with a $15 gift card bonus. They did just that with the Samsung 135 I returned, which had a loud buzzing on the tuner section. I saw it a week later on the shelve with the "Quality Checked by Best Buy" tape.

It just amazes me that the more money I spend on a recorder they get progressively worse and worse, and I always end up back with my $60 LiteON.
post #62 of 236
The LG DR787T takes about 13 seconds to show the LG logo, and about 18-20 to show a TV or DVD image.

I rescaned for channels yesterday and still no luck with high multi-path interference channels that have only come in for me with the Samsung HTB260F.
post #63 of 236
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Originally Posted by bobbyslav View Post

Well I finally found the time to go back to Best Buy to return this incredible waste of money. When I disconnected all the cables and lifted the unit, it was like a range top underneath, I thought it was hot to the touch on top, but the down side was burning hot, and my receiver was burning from it too. Also when I moved it away I heard stuff moving inside, like loose metal pieces. That noise was definitely not there when I bought the recorder and I haven't moved it nor shaken it or by any other way abused it.

Sounds like you got a bad box. I definitely agree with you about LG's quality problems. My first DR787T stopped working after about 24 hours - it was acting as though it wasn't getting enough signal. Maybe it was just a bad "intenna in " jack. So I took it back to Best Buy and swapped it for a new one. That was maybe three weeks ago and the new unit is still working. Once in a while there is a little hiccup on DVD playback - dropouts for a a couple of seconds, but no other problems. The tuner I would say is more sensitive and robust than my old Motorola HDT100 tuner. I have two groups of stations, one about 11 miles away and the other about 30 miles away, separated by about 30 degrees. With the Motorola tuner I would have to use the antenna rotator to point the antenna in the direction of the group I wanted to tune in; with the LG I just leave it in the middle and it picks up both locations. I haven't experienced any overheating problems with the DR787T - at most it is just slightly warm on the underside of the unit after running it for a while. I've used just one read/write DVD so far and have erased it several times and recorded over it with no problems other than the brief dropouts I've mentioned. I'm still nervous about the long term viability of the unit, but if it's still working 30 days after my Best Buy purchase (last day to return) I'm planning to keep it. Probably means it will fail on day 31..

BTW my full review on epinions is here: http://www.epinions.com/content_334627114628
post #64 of 236
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Originally Posted by DrBri99 View Post

The LG DR787T takes about 13 seconds to show the LG logo, and about 18-20 to show a TV or DVD image.

That is a very annoying thing about this unit; it takes a loooooonnnnnnnggggg time to start working after you tun it on, a good 20-25 seconds. It also takes something like 2-4 seconds to stop working after you turn it off, long enough to get you wondering whether you hit the right button on the remote. This product definitely has some quirks.
post #65 of 236
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OTA I read your review and rated it, and even wrote a comment

I was considering exchanging it for another one, but didn't think the overheating would be any different due to the lack of a cooling fan. But I must say the regular playback is a major disappointment for me too - my crappy LiteOn has a 10X better picture quality, and that's pretty sad for the LG.

I think I am going to give Philips one more try when I see the 3505 out, hopefully three will be a charm.
post #66 of 236
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OTA I read your review and rated it, and even wrote a comment .

I know you did, and you rated it "very helpful" and wrote a nice comment besides. I posted the link just to drive more traffic to my review - I get paid for the review based on how many hits there are. I was just being mercenary. That link again is http://www.epinions.com/content_334627114628
post #67 of 236
Since this is my first DVD recorder, I'm not sure if all DVD recorders do this or not.

When recording from timer, once it has started recording you cannot stop the recording without shutting down the unit (and wait 30+ seconds for the unit to power down and back up again).

Another thing I can't do on this unit is delete a portion of a recording. Let's say I press the record button because I need to leave the room, and when I come back the show is over, but I've recorded an extra 45 minutes of "nothing I ever want to see". The only option is to delete the whole recording.

Are HDD recorders more flexible?

Is is wrong for me to expect 21st century technology to work better than 20th century technology?
post #68 of 236
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Originally Posted by DrBri99 View Post

Since this is my first DVD recorder, I'm not sure if all DVD recorders do this or not.

When recording from timer, once it has started recording you cannot stop the recording without shutting down the unit (and wait 30+ seconds for the unit to power down and back up again).

Another thing I can't do on this unit is delete a portion of a recording. Let's say I press the record button because I need to leave the room, and when I come back the show is over, but I've recorded an extra 45 minutes of "nothing I ever want to see". The only option is to delete the whole recording.

Are HDD recorders more flexible?

Is is wrong for me to expect 21st century technology to work better than 20th century technology?




No, this is not really normal - most DVD recorders will let you stop the recording from the remote control. My LG couldn't stop either, so it must be a design flaw. I also noticed something else - if I had scheduled a recording, but didn't put a blank disc, the recorder would try to record at the scheduled time, then shut down, BUT later when I put a blank disc it starts recording when I turn it off no matter what time it was, and then there was no way to make it stop unless I literally unplugged it. Very buggy machine just return it and get something else.

Also about deleting parts of the recording - you should be able to do that, but only with WR discs, you'll have to mark the portion you want to delete as a separate chapter and then the recorder will let you to either delete it, or hide it, I am not sure what the LG can do, I neve bother editing on DVD recorders. I've never had a hard drive recorder either, but they definitely give you more flexibility in editing.

So to sum up - LG = garbage, get rid of it fast.
post #69 of 236
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So to sum up - LG = garbage, get rid of it fast.

I'll continue to play with it for the full 30 days until I need to return it. It's only costing me a few watts of power.
post #70 of 236
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So to sum up - LG = garbage, get rid of it fast.

I'm rapidly coming up on my thirty days so have a decision to make. If I get rid of the LG, what do I get instead? Are there any other DVD recorders out yet with an ATSC tuner? Are there any really cheap stand alone ATSC tuners?
post #71 of 236
New DVD recorders with tuners have been posted on: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=791417

As for a set top tuner the Samsung DTB-H260F sells for around 180. I used to own one, I am wishing I kept it since the LG didn't work out as planned. There is a thread for that also: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=728392
post #72 of 236
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Originally Posted by otaguy View Post

I'm rapidly coming up on my thirty days so have a decision to make. If I get rid of the LG, what do I get instead? Are there any other DVD recorders out yet with an ATSC tuner? Are there any really cheap stand alone ATSC tuners?

I am waiting for the Philips DVDR3505 to show up at Walmart, many people have already got them, but no one has really reported much on it. The Panasonic EZ17 is already available at some online places, but the reports are not very promising so far, and I don't want to risk buying from somewhere that will be hard to return it. It looks like it might appear at Target soon it's already on their website for pre-order.
post #73 of 236
I've read that a future Samsung DVD recorder will have actual OTA (not sure about QAM) HD support.
post #74 of 236
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Originally Posted by bobbyslav View Post

...and I don't want to risk buying from somewhere that will be hard to return it.

I'm in total agreement -- usually I buy online, but other than the feedback that you(thank you) and others gave on the LG, there isn't enough info to go that route (unless you like shipping stuff back and forth).
post #75 of 236
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Originally Posted by mikemikeb View Post

I've read that a future Samsung DVD recorder will have actual OTA (not sure about QAM) HD support.

Wouldn't surprise me if it didn't have QAM support and it is hard to find a Samsung TV with ATSC and QAM support.
post #76 of 236
Anyone know which ones DO have QAM support?
post #77 of 236
After having a weekend to fiddle with the LG, here are some other observations.

The picture quality with digital channels isn't that great. I've owned the SIR-T451, the Samsung DTB-H260F, and the LG has the worst picture quality.

DVD playback seems fine though.

About the digital tuner, I'm amazed how poor it is. With the Samsung's there were 2 locals that maxed the signal meter 24/7, with the LG it is just about 3/4 for these very strong stations. (I have a fixed antenna and line of sight to the towers).

bobbyslav just posted information on the tuner here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&#post10196877

The tuner still hasn't been able to overcome multipath interference, I have been able to receive a signal (long enough to get station, channel information, and sub-channel mapping), from my distant stations, but nothing has been watchable.
post #78 of 236
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DrBri Does your LG over heat?
post #79 of 236
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Originally Posted by bobbyslav View Post

DrBri Does your LG over heat?

It gets pretty warm, but noting like you described with yours.

Is there anyway to get a recording back you have deleted? I realized I was recording golf on Sunday when Stuart Appleby started yelling explitives on live TV, but I hit delete after watching.
post #80 of 236
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I don't know to be honest... deleting sounds pretty permanent to me on a DVD recorder.
post #81 of 236
The manual says the file is still there, but it is deleted from the title menu. I suppose if I had a DVD writer for the PC I might be able to retreive it.
post #82 of 236
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Won't hurt to try... Now that I think about it, it feels like I've seen somewhere a menu selection for "recovery", but it's very foggy in my mind.
post #83 of 236
" FROM DrBri99]

The only plus I can find is the quality analog tuner, it is the best I've seen. I use OTA only, and where other tuners are snowy with weak stations, the LG is much clearer. (The irony here is this part is obsolete in 23 months). Whereas the digital tuner will suck forever."

This is my first reply to Forum. I have to thank you for the comment about the 787's analog tuner. (I have this unit and have thought to return it - twice because of no pass-thru and no 5.1, but I'll keep it now.) After struggling with copy protection from old VCR tapes and considering a CT-200, I tried the RF CH3 approach and I think the quality is excellent. Stereo comes thru and (from the DVD) will play via a digital port. I'd be surprized if using a Sigma would produce better quality.

A side note. Regarding this unit's digital tuner, I looked up the tuner IC, and it's a quality part (I forget manuf.), but it's RF-to-IF only, no digital decoding. Does anyone know what digital demod is used? I suspect it's AMD/ATI Theater but I do not know for sure. Sure would be good if there is a simple hack to get HD to pass thru to the HDMI output, though the lack of a guide is still a bummer.
post #84 of 236
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...I have this unit and have thought to return it - twice because of no pass-thru and no 5.1, but I'll keep it now.

I'm returning mine today, I bought the Phillips (and the Mangavox), and both have better digital tuners (so-so with analog).

I'm hoping the samsung will have 5.1 for digital channels.
post #85 of 236
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It's a great toy, but again confirms my believe that LG is a half ****** company that makes the same crap that it did when it was called GoldStar.

That's why I still call it 'Blowstar', er Goldstar.
Lifes Good my ass..................

Ok, question;

The apparent fact that this and other Digital tuner/DVD recorders do NOT 'pass' the true HD signal out to use the device as just a 'tuner', what is the opinion of why not?

Cost?
Or is it this damn copyright crap? See my sig.
post #86 of 236
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That's why I still call it 'Blowstar', er Goldstar.
Lifes Good my ass..................

Ok, question;

The apparent fact that this and other Digital tuner/DVD recorders do NOT 'pass' the true HD signal out to use the device as just a 'tuner', what is the opinion of why?

Cost?
Or is it this damn copyright crap? See my sig.

Don't think that it is a copyright thing because I own an LG DVD Player / HDTV tuner that passes the HD signal with no problem. I think it is a development issue. They just took last years models and slipped in a digital tuner. Maybe in the next few years (or with the cut off of analog) we will see DVD recorders with HD pass through...or may a high definition DVD recorder ** slap myself to wake up from my dream **
post #87 of 236
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I own an LG DVD Player / HDTV tuner that passes the HD signal with no problem.

Model??
post #88 of 236
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Originally Posted by videobruce View Post

Ok, question;

The apparent fact that this and other Digital tuner/DVD recorders do NOT 'pass' the true HD signal out to use the device as just a 'tuner', what is the opinion of why?

The LG functions like an analog recorder with a digital tuner dropped in.

I'm hoping 2nd generation units will have a separate "path" for viewing and then downconversion for recording.

If it displayed HD through component or HDMI, it wouldn't be any different than a set top box.
post #89 of 236
It's just that many others are reporting these DVD recorders w/ digital tuners won't pass a HD signal out to the TV live.
post #90 of 236
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It's just that many others are reporting these DVD recorders w/ digital tuners won't pass a HD signal out to the TV live.

They won't.
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