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post #1 of 164
Thread Starter 
This year will be my first cycling season with an HD TV and one thing I really want to see this year is one of the major cycling tours in HD. Seeing the suffering up close and personal and the mountain passes in 1080 glory would be awesome.
Is there any cycling shot and broadcast in HD or am I going to have to suffer in blurry SD hell?

-Craig
post #2 of 164
HDNet usually covers the Little 500.
post #3 of 164
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Originally Posted by rare-air View Post

This year will be my first cycling season with an HD TV and one thing I really want to see this year is one of the major cycling tours in HD. Seeing the suffering up close and personal and the mountain passes in 1080 glory would be awesome.
Is there any cycling shot and broadcast in HD or am I going to have to suffer in blurry SD hell?

-Craig

I wish!!! The closest you can come are the DVDs of the Tours (which are standard def 4x3 but still look much better than the OLN/VS coverage. Discovery HD used to run 'Chasing Lance' and various other shows around Lance in HD, which were awesome. The best part for me would be when you would see clips of Paris-Roubaix etc shot from the team cars as they would be in HD. Or at least a very high quality up-convert. The shows themselves though are top-notch. I'd tivo them in HD and watch while on the trainer for inspiration.

Oh yeah, as the previous poster said HD Net does indeed cover that race, but as obsessed w/ cycling as I am I can't watch much of that. Like you I wanna see some climbing and see McEwen spank Boonen in the sprint finishes.
post #4 of 164
Thread Starter 
As a matter of fact I was watching the Science of Lance in HD as I was typing the first post. That and having the first nice 75deg spring road ride of the year today up in hear normally chilly NH had me wanting some cycling action.
Cycling is one of those sports that just begs to be in HD. Paris-Roubaix or any of the classics would be an exceptionally good race to see in HD that or any of the tours of France,Spain,Italy!
I can see the US broadcasting not caring to much about HD cycling but I would think Europe would have something.
I have seen the DVDs but HDDVD's is what I want, hell I would even buy a bluray to see some quality races.
post #5 of 164
It's hard for them to get "constant" coverage with just SD using the satellite links. I wish it were HD, too. The best we could hope for would be HD at the finish line. Europe is barely getting rolling with HD broadcasts. Although since cycling is the 2nd biggest sport, the big races would be something they would cover.

larry
post #6 of 164
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Originally Posted by rare-air View Post

As a matter of fact I was watching the Science of Lance in HD as I was typing the first post. That and having the first nice 75deg spring road ride of the year today up in hear normally chilly NH had me wanting some cycling action.
Cycling is one of those sports that just begs to be in HD. Paris-Roubaix or any of the classics would be an exceptionally good race to see in HD that or any of the tours of France,Spain,Italy!
I can see the US broadcasting not caring to much about HD cycling but I would think Europe would have something.
I have seen the DVDs but HDDVD's is what I want, hell I would even buy a bluray to see some quality races.

'The Science of Lance Armstrong' is great but it's not nearly as good as the 'Chasing Lance' series in HD. 'Chasing Lance' is almost entirely footage on the bike from training to races with some behind the scenes stuff around their meals, bus rides etc. Lot's of stuff with their tech support as well.
post #7 of 164
This was reported last Saturday on the website cyclingfans.com:

2007 Tour de France to be broadcast in high definition television

After conducting tests in 2006, France Televisions will be broadcasting the 2007 Tour de France in high definition television format. Tour organizer A.S.O. made the announcement yesterday in the Paris suburb of Roissy, with representatives of pro teams in attendance ahead of the start this weekend of Paris-Nice. HDTV tests during 2006 included coverage of the Criterium International in March and Paris-Tours in October.
post #8 of 164
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Originally Posted by Podium View Post

This was reported last Saturday on the website cyclingfans.com:

2007 Tour de France to be broadcast in high definition television

After conducting tests in 2006, France Televisions will be broadcasting the 2007 Tour de France in high definition television format. Tour organizer A.S.O. made the announcement yesterday in the Paris suburb of Roissy, with representatives of pro teams in attendance ahead of the start this weekend of Paris-Nice. HDTV tests during 2006 included coverage of the Criterium International in March and Paris-Tours in October.

That's great news. Then perhaps they'll make an HD DVD, which aren't regionally coded. At the very least our North American low-def DVDs will be much better coming from a hi-def source.
post #9 of 164
This is great news. Has anybody heard if Versus HD will have it? I know that when they announced the HD channel, they specifically said that the hoped to have the Tour in HD. They've got the channel, all they need is content.

I just checked their Web site and didn't see a press release.
post #10 of 164
Thread Starter 
Excellent, thanks for the good news!!!
At least the source is in HD thats a good start. Any HD station carrying those feeds should leave it in HD.
Hopefully Versus has not forgotten about cycling they seem to be all about golf now that they are not OLN.

-Craig
post #11 of 164
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Originally Posted by mayest View Post

This is great news. Has anybody heard if Versus HD will have it?

One would think so.
post #12 of 164
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Originally Posted by rare-air View Post

Hopefully Versus has not forgotten about cycling they seem to be all about golf now that they are not OLN.

They haven't forgotten cycling. They showed the Tour of California and have started their weekly coverage of European events on Sundays again. Versus doesn't show golf. The Versus/Golf HD channel is a combination of programming from Versus and Golf Channel. They each have their own allotted time frames. Versus said they wanted to show the TDF in HD but they needed French TV to produce it in HD since they provide the feed. If French TV is indeed going to produce it in HD then it seems like a good bet that Versus will show it in HD. Based on the time slots there would be no problem with the live TDF coverage being on the HD channel since Golf Channel programming doesn't start until noon ET.
post #13 of 164
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Expect Versus, formerly called OLN, and Eurosport to televise stages and highlights each day. In 2006, UK based ITV televised highlights each night on ITV4 from 7-8 and live weekend coverage on ITV3. Versus is currently negotiating the rights to broadcast a pure HD feed on a new channel.

http://www.steephill.tv/2007/tour-de-france/
post #14 of 164
VS has Cyclysm Sunday's now (actually since Tour of California). TOC had an hour every night from 10 to 11 (or was it 11 to 12 - can't remember - I DVR'd it). Tour of Qatar was last Wed from 4 to 6PM. Paris-Nice last Sunday and this Sunday. Alas, TWC here doesn't carry VSHD anyway...I'd love to see the TdF in HD!

I don't remember seeing golf on VS ever....but there sure is a lot of bull riding.
post #15 of 164
From a different thread:

http://www.tvpredictions.com/twversus040907.htm

"Time Warner Gets Versus HD Rights
But a spokesman says it's up to each system to add it.
By Phillip Swann

Washington, D.C. (April 9, 2007) -- Time Warner Cable has obtained the rights to broadcast the Versus/Golf channel in High-Definition.

However, Mark Harrad, a Time Warner spokesman, says it's up to the individual Time Warner system whether to add the high-def channel.

Versus/Golf, which is owned by Comcast, carries National Hockey League games and some golf tournaments in HD. The network will broadcast NHL playoff games in high-def.
__________________________________________
Harrad says he does not know which (if any) local Time Warner systems have added the HD channel.

"We do have the rights to carry Versus in HD," Harrad says. "I do not have information here regarding which divisions have added that to their line-up and which have not at this point in time. It's up to the divisions. Generally, we try to add as much HD programming as possible, but there has to be channels available on the appropriate tier and the channel line-ups differ from division to division."

With the NHL playoffs beginning this week, several Time Warner subscribers have contacted TVPredictions.com asking if the high-def Versus/Golf will be added."

All you cycling fans that subscribe to Time Warner need to start a campaign to get VS HD added to your lineup!
post #16 of 164
Versus broadcast the Tour of Flanders in HD on Sunday.
post #17 of 164
I don't think it was in HD, it looked like the 4x3 SD feed was shown on the HD channel. It did look pretty good though, the added bandwidth helped out a great deal.

Road cycling would look amazing in HD, I am realy hoping for the Tour in HD later this year.

I just wished we would at least get a 16x9 feed on the HD channel, I'd live with that for the time being. Does anyone know if the Tour of Flanders was shown in 16x9 in Belgium?
post #18 of 164
From the press release announcing the addition of VSGLF-HD to Cablevision.

"We are thrilled that Cablevision is adding VERSUS HD to its channel lineup," said Gavin Harvey, President of VERSUS. "High definition is the most valuable real estate in television and now millions of viewers in the New York area will be able to see VERSUS' best-in-class programming like the NHL and Tour de France in crystal-clear hi def."

http://www.cablevision.com/index.jhtml?id=2007_05_23
post #19 of 164
For le tour you might get HD at the stationary cams at the beginning and end points but road coverage can't be HD. They sometimes can't keep a SD feed going.

larry
post #20 of 164
There are wireless HD cameras. CBS uses them for golf by shooting a signal to a tower. For cycling, signals are shot to an airplane or helicopter, sometime the mountains can interfere with these signals.
post #21 of 164
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Originally Posted by PooperScooper View Post

For le tour you might get HD at the stationary cams at the beginning and end points but road coverage can't be HD. They sometimes can't keep a SD feed going.

larry

Hmm - don't forget the French have historically covered Le Tour in 4:3 SD for broadcast on analogue terrestrial - and thus have still often been using analogue microwave circuits.

Other countries have already been using SD and HD digital microwave circuits - which are actually more robust than analogue circuits in many cases (though this year's London Marathon had quite a lot of break-up on certain SD 16:9 digital links) - so if the French go for HD coverage they MAY use digital SD or HD rather than analogue SD technology.
post #22 of 164
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Originally Posted by RemyM View Post

There are wireless HD cameras. CBS uses them for golf by shooting a signal to a tower. For cycling, signals are shot to an airplane or helicopter, sometime the mountains can interfere with these signals.

AIUI some of the digital link solutions used for wireless cameras can be "repeated" digitally without decoding by midpoint re-broadcast positions - which can include helicopters - so it is still feasible for HD mobile shots - though whether this is a priority for the French coverage I don't know.

When your core audience is SD not HD - you have to be careful not to reduce the production values for the SD audience by covering the event in HD. (As the SD coverage is now almost universally an HD to SD downconvert rather than a separate production)
post #23 of 164
That is great news about the Tour de France in HDTV ... but after last years fiasco with several top European cyclists being suspended before the race and then the winner found to be a cheat, I have lost much of my confidence in the sport. Like many other sports it has come down to who gets caught and who does not. It is really sad that many athletes today feel they have to cheat to compete.
post #24 of 164
I'd love to see le tour in HD, I'm just not getting my hopes up. Come to think of it replay ("taped") might be possible, but logistically, live HD coverage still seems it would be tough to pull off even if they really tried.

And please, lets stick to the HD aspects and not the other events surrounding the sport. Thanks.

larry
post #25 of 164
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Originally Posted by PooperScooper View Post

I'd love to see le tour in HD, I'm just not getting my hopes up.

The President of Versus says that they are doing it in HD and you still don't believe it?
You'll know for sure 6 weeks from today.
post #26 of 164
No. Not all the coverage. I believe we will see some HD. I'd rather be pleasantly surprised than let down. If everything we are used to seeing in previous years in SD is in HD you can say "I told you so" from August until the cows come home and I'll graciously accept it.

larry
post #27 of 164
Somewhere out there is an article discussing how the tour organization tested in HD last year and that the technology was helped by HD.

Then there is this on HDTV UK Site "This year's Tour de France, running from 7th-29th July, will be shot in high definition by France Télévisions. It will have its own dedicated channel, broadcast via cable, satellite, DSL, and (potentially) digital terrestrial."
and
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News in english
First Tour de France television broadcast completely in HDTV in France
15.06.2007

As it was announced by French publicly owned television station France Télévisions, this year's Tour de France between July 7th and 29th will be completely broadcasted in high definition TV standard HDTV (High Definition Television) via DVB-T for the first time."
post #28 of 164
I've emailed my local Time Warner folks repeatedly the last couple months asking if they planeed to add VS HD to the lineup in time for the tour...not even the courtesy of a "canned" reply so far....looks like time is growing short for it to happen now.
post #29 of 164
Thread Starter 
Are they going to do the 'entire' stage showing the racing or just at the stationary finish/sprint spots. Even today they can barely transmit SD on the stage without it going in and out so HD on the stage would be tough to deal with.
post #30 of 164
Since Versus is doing the Tour in HD, I wondered if D* was going to give us the HD feed so I asked them. Here's their reply:

"Thanks for writing. While Versus HD is one of the many channels we plan on
adding this fall, we won't have the ability to bring you their high definition
coverage of the Tour de France in July. Stay tuned to directv.com/hdtv for the
latest news and announcements as they become available.

Sincerely,

Jay H.
W2773
DIRECTV Customer Service"
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