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post #3571 of 3899
12/5/08 at 11:25am
Thanks! I just hate not having things go smoothly
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post #3572 of 3899
12/5/08 at 11:57am
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Thanks! I just hate not having things go smoothly

Subs do not have an electrical phase check in the YPAO setup routine like the other speakers do, it's telling you that the sub's placement has created a functional (acoustic) phase reversal. Layman's terms: a dead spot where the calibration mike was located. Reverse the polarity on the sub itself and run YPAO again. You can also just reverse the sub phase in manual setup and see if that makes you happy. You'll get much better bass levels that way, at least in the sweet spot. You may also wish to move the sub to a spot that works better, it may not take more that just rotating the sub or moving a foot or so.
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post #3573 of 3899
12/5/08 at 12:42pm
Can anyone verify that WJ264300 is the correct part number for the YPAO mic? I'm going to buy one and what to make sure I'm getting the right one.

Thanks,
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post #3574 of 3899
12/5/08 at 12:48pm
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Can anyone verify that WJ264300 is the correct part number for the YPAO mic? I'm going to buy one and what to make sure I'm getting the right one.

Thanks,

You can contact Yamaha directly and verify this. It's called the "optimizer microphone".
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post #3575 of 3899
12/5/08 at 1:02pm
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Originally Posted by waynehend View Post

The service manual lists the microphone as Yamaha part WJ264300. Google that and you'll find several suppliers selling it. Looks like it's ~$25.

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Service Manual for RX-V661

Details:
File name: RXV661.pdf
File size: 21MB
Date: 29.03.07

http://yamaha-service.de/downloadt.p...ng=e&dlid=2413

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Can anyone verify that WJ264300

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post #3576 of 3899
12/6/08 at 1:49pm
Well, this really isn't necessarily a 661 question, but since it involves my 661 & I couldn't get an answer over on the other thread, I thought I'd try here.
I use a SAT HD STB & a Blu-Ray player going into my Yamaha 661 A/V receiver each via it's own HDMI cable. I then have (1) HDMI cable going out of the Yamaha A/V Receiver into HDMI 1 input of my new Samsung LN52A650 which I just bought. I control everything with my Harmony remote. Since I only have (1) HDMI cable coming out of the 661 & going into the LN52A650, when I change inputs from watching a BD movie to the SAT, the OSD of the 650 reads the same thing regardless (in this case, HDMI 1 Satellite STB). In other words, I couldn't find a way in the TV's menu/set-up to give HDMI 1 (2) different labels/names, 1) "DVD" when watching a BD movie & 2) "Satellite STB" when watching TV. Any thoughts on a way around this?

Ken
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post #3577 of 3899
12/6/08 at 1:56pm
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Well, this really isn't necessarily a 661 question, but since it involves my 661 & I couldn't get an answer over on the other thread, I thought I'd try here.
I use a SAT HD STB & a Blu-Ray player going into my Yamaha 661 A/V receiver each via it's own HDMI cable. I then have (1) HDMI cable going out of the Yamaha A/V Receiver into HDMI 1 input of my new Samsung LN52A650 which I just bought. I control everything with my Harmony remote. Since I only have (1) HDMI cable coming out of the 661 & going into the LN52A650, when I change inputs from watching a BD movie to the SAT, the OSD of the 650 reads the same thing regardless (in this case, HDMI 1 Satellite STB). In other words, I couldn't find a way in the TV's menu/set-up to give HDMI 1 (2) different labels/names, 1) "DVD" when watching a BD movie & 2) "Satellite STB" when watching TV. Any thoughts on a way around this?

Ken

Can't be done. Some hardware supports HDMI CEC, in which case it will display different info on the monitor, but for the most part the monitor doesn't know what's attached. You could go into the monitor setup and change the input name to "Yamaha" or some such thing, but that's it. I have 4 HDMI devices on mine, through a switch, and the monitor is set to display "AVR". The 661 will display the input source on it's front panel, "DVD" or "CBL", etc.
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post #3578 of 3899
12/9/08 at 5:23am
Guys, I have a quick question.

I have the BD35K Bluray Player. Do I need to change the settings to PCM or Bitstream. I just don't quite understand this whole Truhd Audio Stuff.
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post #3579 of 3899
12/9/08 at 5:43am
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Originally Posted by Air Supply View Post

Guys, I have a quick question.

I have the BD35K Bluray Player. Do I need to change the settings to PCM or Bitstream. I just don't quite understand this whole Truhd Audio Stuff.

On the 661, the player needs to send PCM for the HD audio tracks.
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post #3580 of 3899
12/9/08 at 5:49am
Thanks, do I need to change anthing on the receiver? I don't see any special icons lighting up?
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post #3581 of 3899
12/9/08 at 2:18pm
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Originally Posted by Air Supply View Post

Thanks, do I need to change anthing on the receiver? I don't see any special icons lighting up?

Push the down arrow on your V661 remote and "MPCM" should display in large letters front and center. Note that a much smaller "PCM" will also display in the bottom left. MPCM on the display is the only visual confirmation you'll get that your V661 is receiving uncompressed audio.

-Nick
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post #3582 of 3899
12/9/08 at 5:18pm
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Originally Posted by Puppetz View Post

Push the down arrow on your V661 remote and "MPCM" should display in large letters front and center. Note that a much smaller "PCM" will also display in the bottom left. MPCM on the display is the only visual confirmation you'll get that your V661 is receiving uncompressed audio.

-Nick

So, I don't need to worry about it displaying DTS, Prologic, Neo 6 or anything like that?

I appologize, I'm very new to this.
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post #3583 of 3899
12/10/08 at 2:45am
I cannot get the v661 to play the
rear sorrund speakers on any of my dvd or bluray
disc.Only the front surrond and the center and the subwoofer
plays sound.I have a 5.1 setup.I have a samsung BD-1500 blu-ray player.
I also hav a dishnetwork vip 622 hook up to the receiver.I can only get 2.1
surround sound.Any suggestions.
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post #3584 of 3899
12/10/08 at 10:33am
For those that own a PS3 and this receiver. How do you do your audio? I have the 5.1 setup and just select the 7.1 option on the remote because it doesn't have the 5.1 option. Now, will this option probably play the True HD and all the other Hi Def codec's correctly or will I need to hit Surround Decode on the remote or use Straight?

I've always wondered this.
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post #3585 of 3899
12/10/08 at 10:40am
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Originally Posted by Elbie View Post

For those that own a PS3 and this receiver. How do you do your audio? I have the 5.1 setup and just select the 7.1 option on the remote because it doesn't have the 5.1 option. Now, will this option probably play the True HD and all the other Hi Def codec's correctly or will I need to hit Surround Decode on the remote or use Straight?

I've always wondered this.

The PS3 will output HDMI as MPCM if you set it correctly. The proper mode here to use is STRAIGHT in this case. I don't think you can get 7.1 from 5.1 movies with this option as I don't believe the 661 can apply Dolby Pro Logic IIx processing to MPCM.

If you want to apply DPL IIx, use bitstream instead, but you won't get lossless audio.

The surround mode button is for two channel sound, at least it is on all my Yamaha receivers. The Extd Surr button is for 7.1 from 5.1, but as I mentioned above, I do not believe that will work for HDMI/MPCM, but you can try it.

You can certainly live without lossless audio. See the link I post in the AVR Faq where they did listening tests on it. If you feel you can live without it, you can try setting the PS3 to bitstream mode. In that case you will be limited to DD or DTS. DD is likely always a high rate DD of 640 kbs, which is better than DVD. DTS is the same, but 1.5 Mbs DTS has always been excellent.
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post #3586 of 3899
12/10/08 at 11:55am
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The PS3 will output HDMI as MPCM if you set it correctly. The proper mode here to use is STRAIGHT in this case. I don't think you can get 7.1 from 5.1 movies with this option as I don't believe the 661 can apply Dolby Pro Logic IIx processing to MPCM.

If you want to apply DPL IIx, use bitstream instead, but you won't get lossless audio.

The surround mode button is for two channel sound, at least it is on all my Yamaha receivers. The Extd Surr button is for 7.1 from 5.1, but as I mentioned above, I do not believe that will work for HDMI/MPCM, but you can try it.

You can certainly live without lossless audio. See the link I post in the AVR Faq where they did listening tests on it. If you feel you can live without it, you can try setting the PS3 to bitstream mode. In that case you will be limited to DD or DTS. DD is likely always a high rate DD of 640 kbs, which is better than DVD. DTS is the same, but 1.5 Mbs DTS has always been excellent.

Thanks for the quick response. On this receiver to get 5.1 you have to set the Stereo option to 7ch Stereo. I was just curious because on the receiver it doesn't say MPCM or anything just 7ch Stereo. That is where my question about hitting the SUR. Decode option on the remote because when I do that it's when it shows MPCM or whatever the audio is on what I am watching. I need my lossless though.

So just hit on the remote Stereo/7ch Stereo then hit the Straight button and from there I will get the best audio for when I am watching movies?
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post #3587 of 3899
12/10/08 at 11:58am
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Originally Posted by Elbie View Post

Thanks for the quick response. On this receiver to get 5.1 you have to set the Stereo option to 7ch Stereo. I was just curious because on the receiver it doesn't say MPCM or anything just 7ch Stereo. That is where my question about hitting the SUR. Decode option on the remote because when I do that it's when it shows MPCM or whatever the audio is on what I am watching. I need my lossless though.

So just hit on the remote Stereo/7ch Stereo then hit the Straight button and from there I will get the best audio for when I am watching movies?

NEVER use 7-ch Stereo for movies. This re-mixes the audio to 2-ch then blends it to 7 speakers.
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post #3588 of 3899
12/10/08 at 12:28pm
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NEVER use 7-ch Stereo for movies. This re-mixes the audio to 2-ch then blends it to 7 speakers.

So what option do you suggest I use? I want my Blu-ray experience to be great.
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post #3589 of 3899
12/10/08 at 1:09pm
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So what option do you suggest I use? I want my Blu-ray experience to be great.

Connect the PS3 to you receiver using HDMI. In the audio settings, set your PS3 to output PCM (not bitstream). Set your receiver on "straight". Go into the audio setup menu of a BluRay and select TrueHD or other lossless format. This setup should ensure you're playing back lossless audio formats in 5.1 as they were intended to be heard (rather than forcing sound to simply come out of all channels simultaneously, as what happens when you use 7-channel stereo).
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post #3590 of 3899
12/10/08 at 1:15pm
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Originally Posted by Puppetz View Post

Connect the PS3 to you receiver using HDMI. In the audio settings, set your PS3 to output PCM (not bitstream). Set your receiver on "straight". Go into the audio setup menu of a BluRay and select TrueHD or other lossless format. This setup should ensure you're playing back lossless audio formats in 5.1 as they were intended to be heard (rather than forcing sound to simply come out of all channels simultaneously, as what happens when you use 7-channel stereo).

Great! I used The Incredible Hulk as my reference. lol

Thank you all!
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post #3591 of 3899
12/10/08 at 5:10pm
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Originally Posted by Puppetz View Post

Connect the PS3 to you receiver using HDMI. In the audio settings, set your PS3 to output PCM (not bitstream). Set your receiver on "straight". Go into the audio setup menu of a BluRay and select TrueHD or other lossless format. This setup should ensure you're playing back lossless audio formats in 5.1 as they were intended to be heard (rather than forcing sound to simply come out of all channels simultaneously, as what happens when you use 7-channel stereo).

I have the Panasonic BD-35, it doesn't say truhd in the setup. It just lets you either pick bitstream or pcm. Would you suggest picking PCM?

Then, just pick straight on the v661 and be done with it? That's it? This dang v661 has so many options and just don't know which to choose.
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post #3592 of 3899
12/10/08 at 8:56pm
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Originally Posted by Air Supply View Post

I have the Panasonic BD-35, it doesn't say truhd in the setup. It just lets you either pick bitstream or pcm. Would you suggest picking PCM?

Then, just pick straight on the v661 and be done with it? That's it? This dang v661 has so many options and just don't know which to choose.

Air Supply, set your BD-35 to output PCM. I have read that the BD-35 can decode both TureHD and DTS-MA. Let the BD-35 do the decoding because the 661 can not decode lossless decodes. On the 661 pick surround decode. It does matter which one. When the 661 pickup the lossless decode PCM signal from the BD-35 the 661 will display MPCM and you are set. If the disk is a LPCM only disk like "300", there is no decode and it is passed right to the 661 and the disply will show MPCM. Again you are set. Hopes this help you out.
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post #3593 of 3899
12/10/08 at 8:58pm
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Originally Posted by Grand PuBa View Post

Air Supply, set your BD-35 to output PCM. I have read that the BD-35 can decode both TureHD and DTS-MA. Let the BD-35 do the decoding because the 661 can not decode lossless decodes. On the 661 pick surround decode. It does matter which one. When the 661 pickup the lossless decode PCM signal from the BD-35 the 661 will display MPCM and you are set. If the disk is a LPCM only disk like "300", there is no decode and it is passed right to the 661 and the disply will show MPCM. Again you are set. Hopes this help you out.


Opps, It dosn't matter which one, sorry.
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post #3594 of 3899
12/13/08 at 10:05am
I have the 661 receiver in a
5.1 setup.Anytime i play a 5.1 dvd
i get no sound from the rear speakers
i am using a samsung BD-1500
blu-ray player with hdmi going into
the 661.I only get sound from
the center and front surrond speakers.
Do you have any suggestions.Also
when I try to do the auto speaker
calibration.I get the error not front
speaker found.I do not have a
front a or b speakers.i only have a
center and front and rear
surround speakers 5.1 configuration.
Will this unit not calibrate a 5.1 speaker setup?
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post #3595 of 3899
12/13/08 at 10:15am
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Originally Posted by wildboys View Post

I have the 661 receiver in a
5.1 setup.Anytime i play a 5.1 dvd
i get no sound from the rear speakers
i am using a samsung BD-1500
blu-ray player with hdmi going into
the 661.I only get sound from
the center and front surrond speakers.
Do you have any suggestions.Also
when I try to do the auto speaker
calibration.I get the error not front
speaker found.I do not have a
front a or b speakers.i only have a
center and front and rear
surround speakers 5.1 configuration.
Will this unit not calibrate a 5.1 speaker setup?

Did you connect the surrounds to the wrong speaker terminals? They go on the front surrounds terminals, not the rear surround terminals. You must have speakers on the front L-R, center and surround, nothing on the rear surrounds.
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post #3596 of 3899
12/13/08 at 10:25am
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

Did you connect the surrounds to the wrong speaker terminals? They go on the front surrounds terminals, not the rear surround terminals. You must have speakers on the front L-R, center and surround, nothing on the rear surrounds.

I have the center speaker
connected to center on back of receiver.i have the front left and right surround
speakers connected to the back where it says surround and I have the rear
speakers connected to the surround back/BI amp on back of receiver.Is this not correct?
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post #3597 of 3899
12/13/08 at 11:06am
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I have the center speaker
connected to center on back of receiver.i have the front left and right surround
speakers connected to the back where it says surround and I have the rear
speakers connected to the surround back/BI amp on back of receiver.Is this not correct?

I refer you to pages 5,6, 12, 13 in the manual. You should have nothing connected to the "surround back" terminals. You have it wrong.
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post #3598 of 3899
12/13/08 at 11:10am
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

I refer you to pages 5,6, 12, 13 in the manual. You should have nothing connected to the "surround back" terminals. You have it wrong.

Thank you very much that fixed my problem.
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post #3599 of 3899
12/13/08 at 11:18am
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Thank you very much that fixed my problem.

Good, now you just need to re-run YPAO.
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post #3600 of 3899
12/14/08 at 1:48pm
Who else is using the v661 as a pre-amp? I've been using that setup for a while now, with the 661 running only the back surrounds. Attached to a 5-ch amp for the rest.

Every time I turn the system on, within the 1st minute or 2, I get a whistling sound. Sounds a lot like a mid-freq test sweep tone. It happens usually only that once, but sometimes will happen again 1 or 2 times in an evening. I just swapped in a different amp, (hoping that might get rid of it), and the thing is the same. It's not really loud, seems to come from all channels but sometimes weighted in one direction. It's not really loud either, just an annoyance. It might be related to DD processing, I don't recall hearing it when some other type source is in use at power-on.

Anyone else ever heard this?
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