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post #3661 of 3910
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Originally Posted by kboorman View Post

Hi guys, I have a strange problem I hope you can help me with. I did a quick search of this thread but I didn't see anything like what I'm experiencing.

When I am watching a video source that is connected via hdmi (hd dvd player or stb), my 661 will shut itself off without warning. I'll be sitting there watching a movie and it just cuts off.

If I am watching an hd dvd, I can turn the 661 back on, rewind to a point in the movie prior to shutoff and during replay, the 661 will shut itself off again at the same point in the movie. There are multiple points on multiple discs that are making this happen. To be sure it wasn't a problem with the hd player, I tried the stb as the video source and the 661 shut off again.

I have a standard dvd player hooked up via component and that plays without issue. Listening to audio cd's doesn't cause a problem either.

I have never seen anything like this and my warranty expired one month ago, so I'm really hoping you guys can help me out.

Thanks in advance, Kirk.

Hi Kirk,
I don't know if this will solve your problem but have you check the speaker wires lately? They cannot touch each other or any metal part of the unit for that matter, otherwise 661 will shut down itself without notice to prevent short-circuits.
Good luck!
post #3662 of 3910
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Originally Posted by kboorman View Post

Upon further inspection, it is apparent that the hdmi hookups have nothing to do with my problem. It seems that any source material that is in surround, played at moderate volume or higher causes the 661 to kick off. I'm starting to wonder if I just have a shorted speaker somewhere. The two fronts seem ok since the unit didn't kick off in 2 ch playback, so I'll have to check the center and surrounds.

Swap a few speakers and wires until you narrow it down. Most assuredly, it's a wire that has been shorted somewhere along the way. My wires are in-wall, and it took me quite a while to figure out that I had accidentally and unknowingly driven trim nails through two of them with my nail gun. Everything would play at moderate volume, but when I cranked it up to a higher level, the receiver would go into protect mode at the same point in certain songs. I initially thought it was overheating, but it would shut down at the same exact point repeatedly at constant volumes. The worst part was that after I re-ran one wire (my center channel), everything worked OK until I was running my back surrounds... the same process of swapping speakers and wires led me to learn that the back left speaker wire also needed to be re-run... It was a pain to re-run everything, but I'm sure that everything's OK now. Good luck!
post #3663 of 3910
I have a question pertaining to the difference in the volume level when listening to sources output in MPCM. For example, if I am watching a movie using Dolby Digital, then switch over to MPCM mode, the volume becomes a lot lower. I really have to turn the volume up from, say, -30db to -20db to get the same volume levels.
Does anyone know what would cause this and how to fix it? It also happens when listening through Pure Direct mode. Thanks.
post #3664 of 3910
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Originally Posted by djg23 View Post

I have a question pertaining to the difference in the volume level when listening to sources output in MPCM. For example, if I am watching a movie using Dolby Digital, then switch over to MPCM mode, the volume becomes a lot lower. I really have to turn the volume up from, say, -30db to -20db to get the same volume levels.
Does anyone know what would cause this and how to fix it? It also happens when listening through Pure Direct mode. Thanks.

It's not universally lower on PCM sources, but often this is the case. Something we just have to live with. Make sure you have dynamic range control turned off. (I think the setting you want is "highest" which is default)
post #3665 of 3910
Thanks. I also forgot to mention I am using a PS3 for my dvd/bluray player. I have it set to ouput Linear PCM. I don't know if that makes a difference or not.
post #3666 of 3910
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Originally Posted by luisp View Post

...have you check the speaker wires lately?

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Originally Posted by mdaudioguy View Post

Most assuredly, it's a wire that has been shorted somewhere along the way.

This was indeed the problem. An unused RCA cable had fallen onto my center channel banana plugs and one of the plug ends shorted them. The unit wouldn't kick off at low volumes but as soon as a strong signal went to the center..., poof!

What threw me at first was that it just seemed to be happening at particular points on the discs I was watching, but that was only due to the signal going to the center at that particular moment.

Thank God it was just something simple. I don't mind replacing and upgrading when a component fails but I'd have a tough time telling my wife we need a new stereo after only 14 months.

Thanks for your help gentlemen,
Kirk
post #3667 of 3910
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Originally Posted by kboorman View Post

This was indeed the problem. An unused RCA cable had fallen onto my center channel banana plugs and one of the plug ends shorted them. The unit wouldn't kick off at low volumes but as soon as a strong signal went to the center..., poof!

What threw me at first was that it just seemed to be happening at particular points on the discs I was watching, but that was only due to the signal going to the center at that particular moment.

Thank God it was just something simple. I don't mind replacing and upgrading when a component fails but I'd have a tough time telling my wife we need a new stereo after only 14 months.

Thanks for your help gentlemen,
Kirk

It's amazing how such a simple thing can cause a major problem, and we often jump to much more difficult solutions.... been there, done that. It all makes perfect sense once you know what it was. Glad it was so easy, now go enjoy it!
post #3668 of 3910
Is this model discountinued or something, Dell doesn't have it on their site anymore?
post #3669 of 3910
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Originally Posted by SIR NUPE A LOT View Post

Is this model discountinued or something, Dell doesn't have it on their site anymore?

Discontinued about a year ago. The V663 was it's replacement but that is also now discontinued. Current comparable choices would be the V665 or V765.
post #3670 of 3910
Just a newbie here but I need some advice. Is it possible to run multiple powered Klipsch subs with the v661 and does anyone know the best configuration? Thanks
post #3671 of 3910
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Originally Posted by stu0700 View Post

Just a newbie here but I need some advice. Is it possible to run multiple powered Klipsch subs with the v661 and does anyone know the best configuration? Thanks

You can run as many Y-cables and extension cables off the sub output as you like. I've been up to 4 subs and maybe 50' total cable.
post #3672 of 3910
My only 7.1 source is a new laptop that outputs PCM over HDMI generated from nVidia GeForce 9 series hardware (supplied by HP). Testing the surrounds from the Yamaha Manual setup, each test tone comes from each speaker it is supposed to back left surround is back left surround; side left surround is side left surround. Dolby Digital and DTS signals from multiple sources (and this laptop) have surround sound correctly channeled to the side surrounds. However, when I fire up something in 7.1 LPCM, the left rear surround comes out the left side surround, vice versa, and same reversal on the right side (there's a nice test file on Microsoft's site). Since I have seen many of you posting success with 7.1 via MPCM, I am not ready to blame Yamaha for this. The 7.1 sound is new for HP. In fact, when I called HP about this, their first response was the laptop couldn't produce 7.1, unless I walked the support person through the menus to do so (actually, there is no 5.1 output via PCM, only 7.1, so that point was pretty clear). It would be very helpful to me to know whether someone on this forum has verified in MPCM mode that the rear and side surrounds are not reversed using V661. Knowing that, I would know either that I have the weirdest defect I've ever seen with the Yamaha specific to my unit, or the nVidia hardware is not assembling the PCM channels in the right order. Also, if anyone is aware of any setting that could possibly do this, let me know. I am getting all 8 channels discretely, just side and rear surrounds are swapped.
post #3673 of 3910
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Originally Posted by morsejh View Post

It would be very helpful to me to know whether someone on this forum has verified in MPCM mode that the rear and side surrounds are not reversed using V661.

They are not reversed. I think you'd want to look to the source of the audio for that, since the 661 does no decoding with LPCM inputs. It's pretty much a straight-through deal. You have already verified that the setup is correct in your system. Blame HP, they are an easy target.
post #3674 of 3910
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Originally Posted by morsejh View Post

My only 7.1 source is a new laptop that outputs PCM over HDMI generated from nVidia GeForce 9 series hardware (supplied by HP). Testing the surrounds from the Yamaha Manual setup, each test tone comes from each speaker it is supposed to back left surround is back left surround; side left surround is side left surround. Dolby Digital and DTS signals from multiple sources (and this laptop) have surround sound correctly channeled to the side surrounds. However, when I fire up something in 7.1 LPCM, the left rear surround comes out the left side surround, vice versa, and same reversal on the right side (there's a nice test file on Microsoft's site). Since I have seen many of you posting success with 7.1 via MPCM, I am not ready to blame Yamaha for this. The 7.1 sound is new for HP. In fact, when I called HP about this, their first response was the laptop couldn't produce 7.1, unless I walked the support person through the menus to do so (actually, there is no 5.1 output via PCM, only 7.1, so that point was pretty clear). It would be very helpful to me to know whether someone on this forum has verified in MPCM mode that the rear and side surrounds are not reversed using V661. Knowing that, I would know either that I have the weirdest defect I've ever seen with the Yamaha specific to my unit, or the nVidia hardware is not assembling the PCM channels in the right order. Also, if anyone is aware of any setting that could possibly do this, let me know. I am getting all 8 channels discretely, just side and rear surrounds are swapped.

I believe that this a Nvidia issue. I have heard reports that this swap happens with versions of of the HDMI Audio Driver through 10.0.0.37. It's supposed to be fixed with 10.0.0.41 although that driver is apparently only readily available with the 9M (laptop) drivers.

I will be getting a 661 tomorrow and I intend to test this issue specifically.
post #3675 of 3910
To follow up, I can confirm that the problem exists with 1.0.0.37 but is fixed with 1.0.0.41 on both XP and Vista.

Here is a link for 1.0.0.41:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=BD3FGN46
post #3676 of 3910
Sorry if this has been asked before but I was unable to locate this issue in this thread. I am having issues using the 7.1 analog audio inputs on my rx-v661 receiver. Recently I purchased the Pioneer BDP-51FD Blu Ray player and would like to take advantage of its analog outputs since this receiver does not decode the new audio codecs. If it matters I did update the firware on the BDP-51FD to the latest on Pioneers website. I can set the Pioneer to use analog audio out and have video set to HDMI, however I cannot get any sound out of my receiver when set to analog. Where is the setting I need to change on the receiver to make this work? I tried pressing the audio select button on the remote while on the correct input, changed it from hdmi to analog but there is still no sound. Is this an issue with the receiver or the player? Getting frustrated, spent the extra coin to get analog outs and now I cant get them to work.

Thanks for any help you can give.
post #3677 of 3910
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Originally Posted by Wabbasa View Post

Sorry if this has been asked before but I was unable to locate this issue in this thread. I am having issues using the 7.1 analog audio inputs on my rx-v661 receiver. Recently I purchased the Pioneer BDP-51FD Blu Ray player and would like to take advantage of its analog outputs since this receiver does not decode the new audio codecs. If it matters I did update the firware on the BDP-51FD to the latest on Pioneers website. I can set the Pioneer to use analog audio out and have video set to HDMI, however I cannot get any sound out of my receiver when set to analog. Where is the setting I need to change on the receiver to make this work? I tried pressing the audio select button on the remote while on the correct input, changed it from hdmi to analog but there is still no sound. Is this an issue with the receiver or the player? Getting frustrated, spent the extra coin to get analog outs and now I cant get them to work.

Thanks for any help you can give.

You should be using HDMI, not analog. The player will decode and send M-ch LPCM over HDMI. Using analog will bypass all setup and DSP in the 661.
post #3678 of 3910
Hey, I was wondering if anyone could help me out here. I've got an Xbox,
PS3, and HD cable box running through the 661 to a Samsung 850 LCD and Yamaha YSP soundbar. The tv is new and before, I had to use component because the old tv wouldn't support HDMI. If I run anything through the receiver, the picture will cut out and stay out after a few seconds. If I run things directly to the tv via HDMI, there are no problems.
post #3679 of 3910
I'm having the same problem. After 4 months of the same connections, my picture cuts out from my HD DVR and my Blu Ray when it is connected to the RX-661 receiver. Both pictures are normal when I run the HDMI cable directly to the TV. Why would it stop working all of the sudden?

My initial thoughts: receiver may be overheating, in/out HDMI processor is failing.
post #3680 of 3910
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Originally Posted by dc80 View Post

Hey, I was wondering if anyone could help me out here. I've got an Xbox,
PS3, and HD cable box running through the 661 to a Samsung 850 LCD and Yamaha YSP soundbar. The tv is new and before, I had to use component because the old tv wouldn't support HDMI. If I run anything through the receiver, the picture will cut out and stay out after a few seconds. If I run things directly to the tv via HDMI, there are no problems.

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Originally Posted by ptwob126 View Post

I'm having the same problem. After 4 months of the same connections, my picture cuts out from my HD DVR and my Blu Ray when it is connected to the RX-661 receiver. Both pictures are normal when I run the HDMI cable directly to the TV. Why would it stop working all of the sudden?

My initial thoughts: receiver may be overheating, in/out HDMI processor is failing.

Both these complaints sound a lot like your basic handshaking issues. Why that might be occurring is anyone's guess, but replacing HDMI cables in both directions would be the 1st step. Also note that handshaking is supposed to occur any time that image resolution or audio format changes. The typical handshake should take several seconds.
post #3681 of 3910
Thanks for the quick reply, I'll give it a try. I also think I'm going to re-route some of the connections anyway. Not like my wife cares if "America's Next Top Model" is in surround sound..
post #3682 of 3910
Can somebody tell me how to use the "Remote In" jack on the back of the receiver?

I have my RX-V661 located in a closet with a limited line of sight, so I want to be able to control the volume from the living room. I bought a radio shack IR transmitter (that converts an IR signal to RF, then back to IR--but it hardly works at all).

Is there some type of IR box that can just plug in directly to the Remote IN jack? What would I look for? Any suggested models?

Thanks!
post #3683 of 3910
I am not that technical and have recently experienced a problem with my zone 2 speakers. I can't get any volume at all (I think somebody was adjusting a few of the controls and messed things up.) Any helped would be appreciated.
post #3684 of 3910
Greetings, I have just searched this forum for a while trying to find an answer to my question. Please forgive me if this question is repetitive but I did search prior..

This would relate to HD cable box (all HDMI) from Comcast and/or a DVD player:

My question is relatively simple: what is the advantage to passing video thru this receiver?

I currently get my sound from both via optical (fiber) audio cable...and I seem to get all the sounds via Surr Decode on the receiver.

Thank you kindly and again, if this is a repeat I apoligize in advance..
samgoods
post #3685 of 3910
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Originally Posted by samgoods View Post

My question is relatively simple: what is the advantage to passing video thru this receiver?
I currently get my sound from both via optical (fiber) audio cable...and I seem to get all the sounds via Surr Decode on the receiver.

The only advantage is the convenience of video switching through the AVR. Right now it sounds like you have your HDMI cable run directly from your video sources to your TV. When you want to switch, you have to switch your audio source on the AVR and your video source on the TV. If you ran your HDMI cables to your AVR, the switching would occur in one step, however, it would also cost you one more HDMI cable from the AVR to the TV. Optical cables are fine for all of the audio available to you through cable and SD-DVD.
post #3686 of 3910
well to be honest i JUST switched it to have an HDMI Cable run right to the video source, I was running thru the Yahama rec.. I think I just am saving a step plus now I get sound thru audio system AND directly from TV speakers.. which on my Panny is quire good and sufficent enough for kids cartoons etc...

Thank you mdaudioguy, but NOW I have a more interesting question:
In response to this line:
Optical cables are fine for all of the audio available to you through cable and SD-DVD
I am about to go HD with a samsung blue ray player, should arrive next week....you mention SD-DVD I am assuming I need to do something different to get HD sound?
Thanks a million....
post #3687 of 3910
Hi folks,
I've had my 661 for a couple of years now and never had a problem. Until yesterday... I connected my iPod into my Docking Station (Yamaha YDS-11). I hit play and after a few seconds the 661 just shuts off? I checked the manual, and it kind of looks like the protection circuit kicked in? Although that is hard to confirm.

So I started to try different options... don't have a problem playing the built-in Tuner, or my satellite tv or my Blu-ray player (both connected via HDMI).

The manual suggests that there might be a short occuring in the speaker wires... so I checked all of the speaker connections and they are all good, both on the back of the 661 and on the speakers.

So then I went back to my iPod and tried disconnecting and reconnecting the cable... seemed to be in there quite good? Then I found that if I played the music at a low-ish volume... it did not have a problem. But as soon as I turned it up a bit (somewhere around -25)... it cut out, regardless of what song I was playing?

Has anyone ever experienced such a problem with the protection circuitry? Or anything like this before?

Thanks for your help,
Brent.
post #3688 of 3910
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Originally Posted by brenthenry View Post

Hi folks,
I've had my 661 for a couple of years now and never had a problem. Until yesterday... I connected my iPod into my Docking Station (Yamaha YDS-11). I hit play and after a few seconds the 661 just shuts off? I checked the manual, and it kind of looks like the protection circuit kicked in? Although that is hard to confirm.

So I started to try different options... don't have a problem playing the built-in Tuner, or my satellite tv or my Blu-ray player (both connected via HDMI).

The manual suggests that there might be a short occuring in the speaker wires... so I checked all of the speaker connections and they are all good, both on the back of the 661 and on the speakers.

So then I went back to my iPod and tried disconnecting and reconnecting the cable... seemed to be in there quite good? Then I found that if I played the music at a low-ish volume... it did not have a problem. But as soon as I turned it up a bit (somewhere around -25)... it cut out, regardless of what song I was playing?

Has anyone ever experienced such a problem with the protection circuitry? Or anything like this before?

Thanks for your help,
Brent.

If it doesn't do it on any other input, it's not the protection circuit on the speaker side. Can you run any other input full blast without problems? Might be the dock itself is somehow tripping the 661's protection. Any way to try the dock on some other system?
post #3689 of 3910
Found the problem, it was related to running with 7ch Enhancer. I had the 6-7 speakers connected for "presence", basically to raise the center speaker. However, this was just an experiment to see if I like it better or not before I mount something perminent. Anyways, these speakers were also connected to another amp (for my turntable)... and I accidently left that amp turned on. I'm sure that's what tripped the protection circuit, because as soon as I went to 2ch Stereo, the problem went away and of course after I turned that other amp off... the problem also went away, even on 7-ch. Lesson learned, when experimenting, always remove the extra cables after you're done, otherwise these type of things could happen!

Thanks for your feedback.
Brent.
post #3690 of 3910
I've had this unit for 1.5 years, and it really hasn't been used a huge amount until about 3 months ago, when I had a specialist come in and (correctly) wire up my whole system. It has been working great until about a week ago....now, I can't watch anything on TV as it will only flash the picture/sound for no more than a second at a time.
The guy is running everything through my receiver, so I can't watch TV without it being on, and it controls the sound as well. The display on the receiver has a flashing "Digital" symbol on the left, and on the right side, the 'L' and 'R' flash simultaneously with the "Digital".
Just before all of this started, my wife (who didn't actually know the procedure to watch TV) tried to turn it on and said she kept hitting buttons until it worked
The radio works fine, as does the DVD, so that has me confused.

I am a total techno idiot, so hopefully this is something really simple.
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