Yamaha RX-V661 Owners Thread. - Page 124

More information please.

What inputs are connected to the 661 and how. Component, composite or HDMI?
Are you using a 5.1 speaker setup, and are you getting audio from the speakers?
How is the 661 connected to the display? Component, composite or HDMI? All the above?

Are you using the SCENE buttons on the 661?

Quick guess would be that the selected input on the display has been changed. She probably was messing with the TV remote, not the 661 remote.

Consider getting a Harmony universal remote that will control everything seamlessly and make her less mad.

i just picked one of these up off ebay for around $160 and love the thing so far. only issue i have is that the mic did not come with the receiver. does anyone know where i can grab one or what yamaha's part number is for it?

You can get the part number from Yamaha, as well as the mic. They are not expensive.

I just have a basic question regarding 24 fps & the 661. I have a Panasonic DMP-BD35 BD player which I am running via HDMI into my 661. Then I'm going out of the 661 via HDMI into my Samsung LN52A650 display which has 120 Hz capability.
For some reason I cannot get BD's or DVD's to playback at 24 fps of which my player and display are capable. I've already been to those forums and have been told there is no reason I shouldn't be able to get it. Is there any way that by me going into the 661, this could keep me from getting 24 fps video playback capability? Supposedly the 661 is just pass-through, so I wouldn't think it would be a problem. Someone on the BD-35 forum however, suggested eliminating the 661 & try hooking the BD-35 directly into my display to see if it worked then.

Ken

The 661 has no problem passing 1080/24p, mine does. That's not to say there couldn't be some handshake issue forcing the player to output 60p. My guess is you have a setup issue in the player or monitor.

Hmmm. I can't get it to do it. Also, when I do a search on this forum, I see several instances where other users cannot get the 661 to pass 24 fps either. Someone on here even said they spoke with Yamaha who said it wouldn't do it either. So I am confused.

Ken

All I can tell you is that it does pass 1080/24p with no problems. You may need to set your player to force 1080/24p, rather than using "auto" type settings. But the 661 is not the problem. There's sometimes confusion about the 661 because it's rated as HDMI 1.1, but it's actually 1.2. I have one right here that's been passing 1080/24p since it was new.

Ok, here is another issue totally unrelated. Why is it when I see reviews on various receivers, the biggest complaint is that a particular receiver doesn't have enough HDMI ins? Most of the Yamaha AVR's for example have from 2-4 HDMI ins, but all have only (1) out. And this doesn't seem to be a problem for most people. I myself only need (2) HDMI ins, (1) for my HD SAT STB & (1) for my BD player. But by only having (1) HDMI out, this means that I'm only using (1) HDMI going out from my 661 into my display. If I want to calibrate my display, I can only calibrate for that (1) HDMI input. And most realize that there is usually a need for separate calibrations for a SAT STB & a BD player. (My Samsung display has (2) HDMI ins, therefore (1) is totally unused). So it would seem that having at least (2) HDMI outs from your AVR would be a fairly critical feature & one that would be wanted by most w/o breaking the bank..
Am I over-looking something here?

Ken

Calibrating a display for different inputs is the single most compelling reason not to use an AVR for video switching. But it's a much bigger issue for analog video vs digital video than it is for multiple digital inputs.

Your sat box is never going to provide consistent video levels, that's a simple fact of life. Different channels and even different programs on the same channel will always have different black levels, contrast, etc. Calibrating a monitor for a sat box is more or less impossible.

Your best bet is to calibrate the monitor using a good calibration disc in your BD player, with all settings in the player at "0". Once the display is set up correctly, the sat box should look right most of the time.

Another option is to run the sat box direct to the display with HDMI, and use a SPDIF to the AVR for audio.

By SPDIF, I assume you are referring to using optical/TOSLINK? I had thought of going this route, but then I realized/found out that by doing so, it would eliminate me from getting the lossless codecs Dolby TRUE HD & DTS HD since optical won't pass it.

Ken

There is no lossless audio from a sat box.

You were kidding..
Right?

Not sure who that was directed to, but I didn't even think of that. I've been so involved in why I can't get the 661 to pass 24 fps that I wasn't thinking when he mentioned using SPDIF from my SAT box to get the audio. Of course I am aware that lossless only applies to BD's or HD DVD's. Sorry about that...

Ken

Again, your 661 does pass 24p.

Based upon a conversation I had with Yamaha today, it seems there are some cases where it doesn't depending upon the unit & when it was manufactured. As I posted before, when I do a search within this very forum, there are many who state their 661 will not. I found an interesting back & forth about this at this thread also starting with post # 3:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=858204

Again, I talked with Yamaha today and the tech support person I spoke with told me it was originally designed to pass 24 fps, but for some unknown reason, the hardware was never implemented in the earlier units. (This agrees with something that one of the posters in the referenced thread above stated). The Yamaha support person gave me a lot of technical jargon explaining how a few of the later build units were able to do so, but for the most part, they claim it will not. I am glad you have success with yours as maybe you have one of those later builds. Also I suppose it's possible that my 661 is just simply defective in this area, although everything else seems to work fine.
I did finally try going direct from my BD-35 into my Samsung display & was able to get it to pass 24 fps. (This tells me by bypassing my 661, I'm ok). The problem with that is that doing it this way, I am forced to use optical for audio back to the 661 & then I can't get Dolby True HD & DTS HD. (This was what I meant to say earlier when I incorrectly referred to my SAT box). So regardless of which way I go, I have to give up something. I will probably just leave well enough alone and just utilize the AMP on my display & forget about 24 fps. Many have told me it's hard to distinguish anyway.

Ken

This sounds suspiciously like CSR bull-pucky, but at least you got someone to give you a semi-intelligible response. There's no "hardware implementation" involved, either it's HDMI 1.2 or 1.1. HDMI 1.1 is limited to 1080i, 1.2 is compatible with 1080p at 60 or 24. Could be that some earlier firmware was forcing a 1.1 handshake. My assumption is still that your player is handshaking to 1080i/60 for whatever reason. The 661 is incapable of altering the video stream in any way, so if it's passing video then it's passing what the player is sending. (If your player is capable of forcing 1080p output, then if the 661 is not passing it you will get no video on the monitor.) There is no officially available firmware update for the 661, but if you could get support to let loose of a later firmware revision, maybe it would help you.

Also, do not use optical from the TV to the 661, take it directly from the source.

Agreed

I've had my rx-v661 for about 1.5 years working well with a number of components attached (DVD, PS3, VCR, Wii). I just bought a HD TV (Samsung LN46B610) and took the original DVD player and the VCR out of my setup.

I've been unable to successfully hookup either my PS3 or the LCD (using HDMI) through the receiver and get display/surround sound. I have been able to hookup the Wii successfully and get display/surround sound. The Samsung TV is HDMI 1.3 although the guide indicates that it is possible for it to work with lower versions of HDMI. I know the rx-v661 is HDMI 1.2. Sorry for my ignorance but is this upgradeable? I can't even display the setup menu for the receiver on the TV to check settings on the receiver.

I've tried 2 different cables so I don't think it is a cable problem. Any help to get this working would be appreciated.

The V661 does not upconvert to HDMI, so in order to see the AVRs OSD you must be connected for analog video. You must also have the 661 set to NOT pass HDMI audio to the TV, which is the default setting.

AFAIK, the Wii uses 2-ch analog stereo, so there's no "surround" there. As for what the PS3 is sending, you might want to consult the PS3 thread for proper settings.

Hi all. Newbie here. I have a really dumb question. My 661 is about two years old. The TV sits across the room and uses in wall wiring to get the signal to it from the av gear. When we upgraded the se to an HD about six months ago, I got some balen transformers to do component video through cat5 cable in the wall. The video from the VCR has basically been unwatchable since. Finally broke out the instruction manual and after much searching found the line that says vcr video converted to component may not work with some models of vcr.

I'm wondering if anyone else has had this problem or knows which vcrs will work with this setup. I wouldn't mind getting a new vcr to solve the issue if there was one that was reasonably priced.

Thanks in advance!

- Gary

Can someone tell if this receiver (I actually have the 6060) has a remote in jack on the back. THeir is a 3.5mm cable opening, and a dealer is telling me I should be able to plug it in from my RF basestation, to the yamaha in the back to control it.

He also suggested i may have to turn IR in, on.

DOes anyone know if this is possible or hast his working, please help.

Can anyone comment on my question above?

IR inputs vary by model. It's not impossible that a 6060 and 661 could be different. Your best source of info is your manual or a call to Yamaha support.

I checked the manuals and yes, rx-v661 does have remote in, and out, htr-6060 only has remote out.

Hi,

I own the Yamaha RX-V661 and I don't know if it would be better to post my problem here or on its own thread...but here it goes...

The Yamaha receiver doesn't give any video on Zone 1 from any of the inputs (including cable dvr and blu-ray). The audio still comes through on Zone 1 for all inputs.

Zone 2 video and audio appear fine. The Yamaha receiver appears to be faulty with video on Zone 1. I've plugged in equipment directly to the tv and video is fine, so it's not the tv. I've ruled out all the other equipment through separate individual testing and it's down to the Yamaha. This happened within the past month, but I was just told about it recently. The system has been running great for over a year. All settings appear to be the same as they were. Cables are component.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Brandon

All the 661 does is pass component video out through component, it does not convert it to HDMI output. Assuming that's not the issue, have you ruled out someone screwing up the settings somehow? Tried re-setting the AVR to defaults? Can you see the AVR's OSD on the component output? Tried a different component cable from the AVR to the TV?

One other thought: have you verified that that particular input on the TV is functioning normally?

Thanks for the quick reply. I guess I'll try the hard reset to factory settings. It was professionally installed and I don't want to lose all the custom settings, but I might have to do the hard reset anyways. The inputs on the tv work as I plugged in another component and checked them individually without using the receiver.

-Brandon

And you tried a different component cable between the AVR and TV? How about composite and Svideo, do they pass through to the TV OK?

I plugged the component cable from the AVR into another input on the tv and still no video. Composite with a separate device works fine in the inputs tested. There's something wrong with the Yamaha passing video through on zone 1, so it looks like I will have to call tech support and most likely send it in for service. I even did a hard reset, still nothing.

The composite and S-video inputs and circuits are related to the component, which is why I wondered if they are working correctly. Also whether you can get the OSD on the TV through component.

I'd question whether sending it off for service is cost-effective. A new V665 can be had for $350, although it doesn't have as good an amp. If you have enough inputs on the TV, bypassing the 661 for video is the best route. Even buying a video switcher would be cheaper and easier than repairing the 661.