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post #3751 of 3910
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

The 661 does not have any settings or processing that affect HDMI video in any way. Whatever comes in is what goes out.

Would help if you state what DOES happen with the 661 in the chain. But whatever the display is receiving is what the player is sending. Make sure the 661 is NOT set to pass HDMI audio. You could also try swapping in different HDMI cables.

Both the 24p option on the Panny BD60 and the Fil Mode option on the Sammy B650 are greyed out.
As soon as I disconnect the HDMI from the v661 and go straight from source to display both options are accessible and work perfectly.
Under the Option and then the Display setting their is a video conversion setting on the v661, which I have set to off.
I actually did get all new BJC hdmi's and one monoprice one.
I'm not sure about the audio setting but the PPCM passthrough of the advanced sound codecs 'seems' to be working properly.
Did I miss a firmware update at some point over the last ~2 years?
post #3752 of 3910
Rdgrimes or anyone with any ideas or help?
post #3753 of 3910
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Originally Posted by E-A-G-L-E-S View Post

Both the 24p option on the Panny BD60 and the Fil Mode option on the Sammy B650 are greyed out.

You prolly want to ask in the Panny BD60 thread. The 661 is HDMI 1.2, but for whatever reason the Panny doesn't want to send 24p. May be some other setting in the BD60 that's affecting this. In any case, it's not a issue with the 661 per se.
post #3754 of 3910
But it works perfectly from the Panny BD60 straight to the Sammy B650.(sends 24fps perfectly)
So it seems the weak link or the problem is within the connection to the V661.
I did ask in the BD60 thread and they pointed me here because I explained it works perfectly if I bypass the v661.

Should I buy another AVR and see if it is for sure an issue with the V661?
post #3755 of 3910
Well, Yamaha tech support was worthless.
His first response was, "Maybe the v661 doesn't pass 24fps".
Then after I told him it does, he put me on hold and then came back to say, "Sorry, but I can't help you."
post #3756 of 3910
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Originally Posted by E-A-G-L-E-S View Post

But it works perfectly from the Panny BD60 straight to the Sammy B650.(sends 24fps perfectly)
So it seems the weak link or the problem is within the connection to the V661.
I did ask in the BD60 thread and they pointed me here because I explained it works perfectly if I bypass the v661.

Should I buy another AVR and see if it is for sure an issue with the V661?

It would be great if the various potential issues with HDMI handshakes were that straightforward. All I can tell you is that the 661 presents no restrictions to HDMI video, apart from the limitations of being HDMI 1.2. Meaning it won't pass Deep Color or accept DTHD/DTS-MA. I have no knowledge of the BD-60, but for whatever reason it is refusing to send 1080/24p. The only other thought I have is to be sure HDMI-CEC is turned off in the player and display. But the 661 will pass 1080/24p all day long if the player is sending it. If there is no way to force 1080/24p in that player then you have a problem.

If you're going to replace something, the player is the cheapest to replace. Will a HDMI-1.3 AVR also solve the issue? Maybe.
post #3757 of 3910
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

It would be great if the various potential issues with HDMI handshakes were that straightforward. All I can tell you is that the 661 presents no restrictions to HDMI video, apart from the limitations of being HDMI 1.2. Meaning it won't pass Deep Color or accept DTHD/DTS-MA. I have no knowledge of the BD-60, but for whatever reason it is refusing to send 1080/24p. The only other thought I have is to be sure HDMI-CEC is turned off in the player and display. But the 661 will pass 1080/24p all day long if the player is sending it. If there is no way to force 1080/24p in that player then you have a problem.

If you're going to replace something, the player is the cheapest to replace. Will a HDMI-1.3 AVR also solve the issue? Maybe.

Thanks for your time and help.
You have said twice that the BD60 refuses to send 24fps, but when connected straight to my plasma it sends it just fine.....thus my problem.

HDMI-CEC....what is this and where is it located?

But the player is fine, as I said without the V661 it works perfectly.
post #3758 of 3910
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Originally Posted by E-A-G-L-E-S View Post

Thanks for your time and help.
You have said twice that the BD60 refuses to send 24fps, but when connected straight to my plasma it sends it just fine.....thus my problem.

HDMI-CEC....what is this and where is it located?

But the player is fine, as I said without the V661 it works perfectly.

You're not grasping the HDMI handshake process. Obviously the player is refusing to send 1080/24p, since the display is not receiving it. The 661 is incapable of altering HDMI video in any way. The player is refusing to send 1080/24p based on the handshake it is getting through the 661. Both the AVR and the display are handshaking with the player. When you remove the 661, only the display is handshaking.

There's no "problem" with the 661. The problem is that the player is refusing to "force" 1080/24p. That could be due to some odd combination of HDMI settings in the player and/or display, or just due to the player not being able to force a specific resolution. Make sure the player is not set to "auto" resolution, but to 1080p specifically.

HDMI-CEC is sometimes referred to as "HDMI Control" and various other things. The Sammy displays usually call it CEC. It allows one device to control another by HDMI, power-on - play - etc. The Panny and Sammy should both have a setting to turn it off. It's a long shot but should be done as a troubleshooting step.
post #3759 of 3910
Is this why when I power on my Panny my Sammy switches on its' own to source#3 labeled "Anynet+" device?
Even though my Panny BR player is connected to HDMI input #2, not #3?

Edit: Found that HDMI-CEC setting on my Sammy plasma and it was set to "On"...I swithced it to "Off" and I will try the movie again now.
post #3760 of 3910
Yes. "Anynet" is part of the CEC functionality in the Sammy. Turn it off at both ends of the chain. (The Sammy wouldn't be doing that unless CEC was enabled in the player)
post #3761 of 3910
Nope, "Film Mode" is still greyed out in the Sammy's menu.
I went into my BD60's menu and changed the resolution from auto to 1080p.
The 24p setting is set to "On".

Can't seem to find the CEC on the BD60.
post #3762 of 3910
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Originally Posted by E-A-G-L-E-S View Post

Nope, "Film Mode" is still greyed out in the Sammy's menu.
I went into my BD60's menu and changed the resolution from auto to 1080p.
The 24p setting is set to "On".

Can't seem to find the CEC on the BD60.

Panasonic calls it Vierra Link.

S~
post #3763 of 3910
Hmm, can't find out how to turn that off, so I asked in the BD60 thread.
Thsi is rediculous!
Thanks for your help!
post #3764 of 3910
The following is a quote from someone on the BD60 player thread regarding my problem:

[It basically talks to devices and tells what it is and what capabilities it has whether it has 2 speakers, 1080p, 720p, etc. Give me a few minutes to investigate your display and what film mode is used for. Is Film mode available when you bypass the receiver?

I'm 99% sure the problem is the receiver and the EDID table and not the player since removing the receiver solved te problem. Panasonic will not force 1080p/24, which means the devices must correctly identify themselves. I have heard of problems with the 661 before. You might search this thread or the 33/55 thread. To solve this, you could do one of two things: a player that forces 1080p/24 bypassing the incorrect table, or a new receiver.

S~

OK. So far I've found that Cinema Smooth is used in the Samsung Plasmas for 24p and it must be on./]




....and then my answer:
Yes, when i bypass the receiver it is available to change, also when using the avr with cable tv(hdmi from cable dvr to tv and optical audio cable from dvr to receiver) it is available to change.
post #3765 of 3910
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Originally Posted by E-A-G-L-E-S View Post

I'm 99% sure the problem is the receiver and the EDID table and not the player since removing the receiver solved te problem.

That is an incorrect assumption. Many 661 users are enjoying 24p without issues.

Go back to some basics. The Sammy displays what is being input on the top of the screen when you change inputs, change resolution or press the "info" button on the remote. It shows either "24" or "60" for the frame rate.

Are you saying that the Sammy is displaying "60"?

Are you playing a BD disc that is 1080p/24? Not 1080i/60 like some concert BD?

What happens when you toggle through the various resolution settings on the player? Does the output remain 60p on a 24p BD disc as indicated by the Sammy display?

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also when using the avr with cable tv(hdmi from cable dvr to tv and optical audio cable from dvr to receiver) it is available to change.

There are no 24p sources fron a cable box.
post #3766 of 3910
Not really. Many players are able to "Force" 1080p/24, including the PS3 and Oppo. Panasonic does not. The EDID table must be correct. I have also seen this particular handshake issues when using the 661 (and other receivers), some TV's, and projectors also.

S~
post #3767 of 3910
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

That is an incorrect assumption. Many 661 users are enjoying 24p without issues.

Go back to some basics. The Sammy displays what is being input on the top of the screen when you change inputs, change resolution or press the "info" button on the remote. It shows either "24" or "60" for the frame rate.

Are you saying that the Sammy is displaying "60"?

Are you playing a BD disc that is 1080p/24? Not 1080i/60 like some concert BD?

What happens when you toggle through the various resolution settings on the player? Does the output remain 60p on a 24p BD disc as indicated by the Sammy display?


There are no 24p sources fron a cable box.

Yes, it is showing 1080p/60Hz
Yes, tried both Land of the Lost and Phelham123
Yes, though on the BD60 you cannot do this while a disc is playing and must
go into the setup menu to adjust
post #3768 of 3910
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Originally Posted by teachsac View Post

Not really. Many players are able to "Force" 1080p/24, including the PS3 and Oppo. Panasonic does not. The EDID table must be correct. I have also seen handshake issues when using the 661 (and other receivers), some TV's, and projectors also.

S~

I won't argue that, you may be right. My experience is limited to Oppo with BD and 24p. One can never discount the potential oddities when combining display, AVR and player in the HDMI chain. A player not being able to force a resolution is a deal-breaker in my mind, but that's me. Panasonic may be doing this for compatibility reasons with HDMI 1.2 devices. They don't want the support calls because someone has no picture.

If it is confirmed that the BD60 cannot force resolution under any circumstances then this might be a dead horse. But I would turn off Viera-Link and PIP in the player and try that. I glanced through the rather limited Panny manual and there is of course no mention of any of this under the 24p settings. From what I read on the Sammy B650, "Cinema Smooth" must be engaged to handle 24p correctly. I'm not sure that 24p is in itself sufficient reason to be replacing any hardware. But if I were to do that the player would be the most cost-effective unit to replace. (with one that does force resolutions). Upcoming holiday sales and model changes make that an easy task.
post #3769 of 3910
If you guys don't know I'm sure I wont figure it out.

Off to research what players under $300 force 1080p/24 I suppose. (other than PS3)
post #3770 of 3910
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Originally Posted by E-A-G-L-E-S View Post

If you guys don't know I'm sure I wont figure it out.

Off to research what players under $300 force 1080p/24 I suppose. (other than PS3)

Well like I said, don't rush into it. There are good deals and new models around the corner.
post #3771 of 3910
Hi guys.

I am getting a bit frustrated here. Bought a PS3 slim which I use with the rx-v661. Everything worked great for about a week. Suddenly it decided to give me a HDCP error message.

Now, I can not get picture or sound through my receiver.
If I plug the HDMI directly in the TV, then the picture come straight away.

I've tried to read throug the holdt thread here, but seems like people are getting their signal with the rx-v661.

I have also tried with different HDMI cables.
post #3772 of 3910
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Originally Posted by Mr.Wanton View Post

Hi guys.

I am getting a bit frustrated here. Bought a PS3 slim which I use with the rx-v661. Everything worked great for about a week. Suddenly it decided to give me a HDCP error message.

Now, I can not get picture or sound through my receiver.
If I plug the HDMI directly in the TV, then the picture come straight away.

I've tried to read throug the holdt thread here, but seems like people are getting their signal with the rx-v661.

I have also tried with different HDMI cables.

You can check the few relevant HDMI settings in the 661, but this will likely be a setup issue in the PS3 or monitor. Since it worked fine in the past, look for what has changed. The 661 does not have much in the way of HDCP and shouldn't be causing any issues. The error message you are getting is not from the 661.

Be aware that the 661 does not support the HD audio codecs, deep color or any other features specific to HDMI-1.3.
post #3773 of 3910
I guess it's the tv.
Today it would not show the picture from the ps3, even though the HDMI cable is connected directly.
The tv has been acting up lately...really annoying.
post #3774 of 3910
I just had a quick question, when I did the automatic setup so i could set eq to flat, i was wondering if those settings stick after its calibrated, but i changed a few things such as crossover, and speaker levels, or does the eq flat get lost whenever i customize the automatic settings?
post #3775 of 3910
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Originally Posted by Murilo View Post

I just had a quick question, when I did the automatic setup so i could set eq to flat, i was wondering if those settings stick after its calibrated, but i changed a few things such as crossover, and speaker levels, or does the eq flat get lost whenever i customize the automatic settings?

As long as you have the EQ type set to "PEQ", the YPAO settings remain.
post #3776 of 3910
I recently found some odd settings under plx2 music, it is only under their.

If you press down, it comes up with panorama off, cth width at 3, what are these? I dont really use plx2 music, i use plx2 movie, but im curious what these are.
post #3777 of 3910
Hi

I know this is not the newest receiver but it has every feature I am looking for and more. It also is in my price range (used or refurbished)

I have two quick question for current users.

1) in using zone 2 speakers, how easy is it to change it back and forth between a true zone 2 use and for regular use as an A+B speaker arrangement? I want to power my family room and my lanai. I want to be able at times to use zone 2 to access a different source than the main zone. At other times I want both to be playing the same thing.

2) has anyone used this receiver with a harmony remote? if so have you had any trouble with dealing with the separate buttons for on and off with the harmony remote? Have you had any trouble controlling zone 2 with the remote??
post #3778 of 3910
I use the Yamaha RX-V661 receiver at the moment for all of my sources and I am thinking of purchasing a set of Sennheiser wireless surround headphones for some late night TV watching. My question for everyone here is if they know if the optical out on this receiver will pass through the audio from other digital inputs as well as the HDMI inputs. I have about 4 sources that I want to be able to use with the headphones and am hoping that the Optical out on the receiver would act as the single connection point.

If that doesn't work i am open to suggestions. Thanks.
post #3779 of 3910
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

The 661 does not have any settings or processing that affect HDMI video in any way. Whatever comes in is what goes out.

Old post, but sorry that is just not the case. The 861/661 IS doing something with black/white levels. Unless the 661 has a different video chip than the 861.

In my case:
HDMI Component > TV = correct blacks.
HDMI Component > 861 > TV = washed out/grey blacks.

This is an indication that the component is sending the 16-235 values and the 861 is trying to pass this as 0-255 to the TV.

Granted this will all be device dependent, if your whole chain is 16-235 then you will not see any problems.
post #3780 of 3910
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Originally Posted by BartMan01 View Post

Old post, but sorry that is just not the case. The 861/661 IS doing something with black/white levels. Unless the 661 has a different video chip than the 861.

In my case:
HDMI Component > TV = correct blacks.
HDMI Component > 861 > TV = washed out/grey blacks.

This is an indication that the component is sending the 16-235 values and the 861 is trying to pass this as 0-255 to the TV.

Granted this will all be device dependent, if your whole chain is 16-235 then you will not see any problems.

The 661 does not clip, and this has been tested and proven. I can't say if the 861 does or not.
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