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post #3871 of 3899
1/29/13 at 8:29am
I enable 7.1 with one button press on my WR7 universal remote. It is automatically programmed in when you input the code for Yamaha to configure the remote. One button press- "input" and the DPLII 7.1 movie mode is enabled. Before that I used a macro- one button press and it went through the menu automatically and enabled 7.1.

Yeah I guess 3D is a deal breaker though. I love this receiver, but I do not have a 3D TV yet. I guess if/when I get a 3D TV, I will use optical out to the receiver from my PS3, and plug the HDMI directly to the TV for 3D, and just have a 5.1 setup until I get a new one. If I only used 5.1 setup to begin with, I would only be losing the loss-less compression of HDMI MPCM until I got a new receiver. I think I could live with that until I felt like spending the $$ to replace my v661 with a comparable receiver.

I really like this receiver though, and have been using it since 2006, just about every single day. The thing is bullet proof and sounds great. I do have it powered by an uninterruptible power supply though, so I think that helps in it's durability.
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post #3872 of 3899
1/29/13 at 9:47am
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I enable 7.1 with one button press on my WR7 universal remote. It is automatically programmed in when you input the code for Yamaha to configure the remote. One button press- "input" and the DPLII 7.1 movie mode is enabled. Before that I used a macro- one button press and it went through the menu automatically and enabled 7.1.

Yeah I guess 3D is a deal breaker though. I love this receiver, but I do not have a 3D TV yet. I guess if/when I get a 3D TV, I will use optical out to the receiver from my PS3, and plug the HDMI directly to the TV for 3D, and just have a 5.1 setup until I get a new one. If I only used 5.1 setup to begin with, I would only be losing the loss-less compression of HDMI MPCM until I got a new receiver. I think I could live with that until I felt like spending the $$ to replace my v661 with a comparable receiver.

I really like this receiver though, and have been using it since 2006, just about every single day. The thing is bullet proof and sounds great. I do have it powered by an uninterruptible power supply though, so I think that helps in it's durability.

Don't get me wrong, I still love this 661 as well!! It still sounds great with MPCM. I just installed a new HT system for a co-worker of mine and noticed that her receiver accepted newer DD and DTS codecs that my receiver doesn't support and was wondering if a new one would support/sound better than my 661. I suppose I still have some more time with my 661 until I get a new TV and regulate my 661 to my bedroom.
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post #3873 of 3899
1/29/13 at 10:29am
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Don't get me wrong, I still love this 661 as well!! It still sounds great with MPCM. I just installed a new HT system for a co-worker of mine and noticed that her receiver accepted newer DD and DTS codecs that my receiver doesn't support and was wondering if a new one would support/sound better than my 661. I suppose I still have some more time with my 661 until I get a new TV and regulate my 661 to my bedroom.

Yeah new receivers will support Dolby TrueHD which is the Dolby lossless codec, and DTS-HD Master Audio, which is DTS lossless codec.

But on the V661, you get the exact same sound quality as the new codecs, lossless audio codecs, by using MPCM via HDMI and letting the blu -ay player decode the lossless codec.. It is lossless and sounds great. It doesn't sound any worse or less perfect than the receivers that can decode DTS HD Master and Dolby TrueHD on the receiver rather than letting the bluray player decode the audio and send it to the reciever via MPCM.

If you have to go to toslink input though, you will not get the lossless codec coming through your speakers, you will get Dolby Digital Surround EX or Dolby Pro Logic II, or DTS Neo:6 or I think DTS 96/24.. But the point is you won't get lossless audio codec quality. You might not be able to tell the difference though anyway. Those lossy digital codecs aren't that bad either. They can sound very good too.

That's why I was thinking I would get the 3D TV first, use HDMI direct to the TV for 3D capability, then just use toslink to get your 5.1 audio through the V661 until you "upgrade" to a newer receiver.

That is one reason I bought this "future proof" reviever back then.. I new I would get the lossless codec sound if I had a blu ray player that could decode the lossless codecs and output MPCM via HDMI. A PS3 does that. 3D is a problem though I guess.
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post #3874 of 3899
1/29/13 at 10:45am
Sorry for double post but here are some good links to check out.

http://www.dolby.com/us/en/consumer/technology/home-theater/dolby-digital.html
(bunch of links on left side of page describe the different codecs)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolby_Digital



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DTS

http://www.dts.com/professionals/sound-technologies/codecs/dts-digital-surround.aspx
http://www.dts.com/professionals/sound-technologies/audio-processing/dts-neural-surround.aspx
http://www.dts.com/professionals/sound-technologies/codecs/dts-hd-master-audio.aspx
http://www.dts.com/professionals/sound-technologies/audio-processing/dts-3d-audio.aspx


It just shows you what the different codecs do..
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post #3875 of 3899
1/29/13 at 10:47am
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Yeah new receivers will support Dolby TrueHD which is the Dolby lossless codec, and DTS-HD Master Audio, which is DTS lossless codec.

But on the V661, you get the exact same sound quality as the new codecs, lossless audio codecs, by using MPCM via HDMI and letting the blu -ay player decode the lossless codec.. It is lossless and sounds great. It doesn't sound any worse or less perfect than the receivers that can decode DTS HD Master and Dolby TrueHD on the receiver rather than letting the bluray player decode the audio and send it to the reciever via MPCM.

If you have to go to toslink input though, you will not get the lossless codec coming through your speakers, you will get Dolby Digital Surround EX or Dolby Pro Logic II, or DTS Neo:6 or I think DTS 96/24.. But the point is you won't get lossless audio codec quality. You might not be able to tell the difference though anyway. Those lossy digital codecs aren't that bad either. They can sound very good too.

That's why I was thinking I would get the 3D TV first, use HDMI direct to the TV for 3D capability, then just use toslink to get your 5.1 audio through the V661 until you "upgrade" to a newer receiver.

That is one reason I bought this "future proof" reviever back then.. I new I would get the lossless codec sound if I had a blu ray player that could decode the lossless codecs and output MPCM via HDMI. A PS3 does that. 3D is a problem though I guess.

Thanks for the info! You clarified a lot of stuff I was unsure about! Its been so long since I've looked into my receiver, lol!

Would you know if a WD TV Live does LPCM through HDMI like the PS3?? I'm looking to replace my PS3 because of Cinavia.
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post #3876 of 3899
1/29/13 at 10:52am
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Sorry for double post but here are some good links to check out.

http://www.dolby.com/us/en/consumer/technology/home-theater/dolby-digital.html
(bunch of links on left side of page describe the different codecs)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolby_Digital



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DTS

http://www.dts.com/professionals/sound-technologies/codecs/dts-digital-surround.aspx
http://www.dts.com/professionals/sound-technologies/audio-processing/dts-neural-surround.aspx
http://www.dts.com/professionals/sound-technologies/codecs/dts-hd-master-audio.aspx
http://www.dts.com/professionals/sound-technologies/audio-processing/dts-3d-audio.aspx


It just shows you what the different codecs do..

Thanks for the links BWX!
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post #3877 of 3899
1/29/13 at 10:57am
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Originally Posted by GrooveRite View Post

Thanks for the info! You clarified a lot of stuff I was unsure about! Its been so long since I've looked into my receiver, lol!

Would you know if a WD TV Live does LPCM through HDMI like the PS3?? I'm looking to replace my PS3 because of Cinavia.

Hmm.. not sure.
Audio - MP3, WAV/PCM/LPCM, WMA, AAC, FLAC, MKA, AIF/AIFF, OGG, Dolby Digital, DTS
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=330

It says LPCM, which I think is basically MPCM- Linear or Multichannel "Pulse Code Modulation"..
But then it says Dolby Digital or DTS..

-and in under "notes" is says..
"An audio receiver is required for multi-channel surround sound digital output"

Sooo... it kind of contradicts itself, but I am sure you will be able to use the V611 to get 5.1 out of it no problem. It will not do lossless codecs, because it isn't a blu-ray player.

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Thanks for the links BWX!
No problem! You could read about this stuff for weeks and not know everything.. It is always fun to learn new stuff though.
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post #3878 of 3899
1/29/13 at 1:51pm
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I enable 7.1 with one button press on my WR7 universal remote. It is automatically programmed in when you input the code for Yamaha to configure the remote. One button press- "input" and the DPLII 7.1 movie mode is enabled. Before that I used a macro- one button press and it went through the menu automatically and enabled 7.1.

Yeah I guess 3D is a deal breaker though. I love this receiver, but I do not have a 3D TV yet. I guess if/when I get a 3D TV, I will use optical out to the receiver from my PS3, and plug the HDMI directly to the TV for 3D, and just have a 5.1 setup until I get a new one. If I only used 5.1 setup to begin with, I would only be losing the loss-less compression of HDMI MPCM until I got a new receiver. I think I could live with that until I felt like spending the $$ to replace my v661 with a comparable receiver.

I really like this receiver though, and have been using it since 2006, just about every single day. The thing is bullet proof and sounds great. I do have it powered by an uninterruptible power supply though, so I think that helps in it's durability.

Still rolling with my 661; it is on all day every day. Get 7.1 with one button on my Harmony as well.
Hard to believe some had trouble getting it to push their sub-properly set up it has no problems driving both of mine.

To replace this AVR and keep features like Phono in and multi-channel analog ins would be pretty expensive.
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post #3879 of 3899
1/29/13 at 3:41pm
Yup it would be expensive to replace. Not looking forward to that day.
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post #3880 of 3899
1/29/13 at 4:40pm
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It will not do lossless codecs, because it isn't a blu-ray player..

What do you mean by this because I don't quite understand? Lossless codec as in Blu-Ray CD movies or streamed movies from a NAS or Netflix?

Thanks for your help! After all this time of owning the 661, you'd think I'd know more about it! I just remember everyone saying that it was future proof so I went with it, lol! I'm so glad I did! smile.gif
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post #3881 of 3899
1/29/13 at 4:45pm
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Originally Posted by GrooveRite View Post

What do you mean by this because I don't quite understand? Lossless codec as in Blu-Ray CD movies or streamed movies from a NAS or Netflix?

Thanks for you help! After all this time of owning the 661, you'd think I'd know more about it! I just remember everyone saying that it was future proof so I went with it, lol! smile.gif
Yeah the lossless codecs only come from bluray players. That box isn't a bluray player so it cannot possibly have True HD and HD Master audio. That's all I meant. It still looks like it has 5.1 surround Dolby digital, etc.. so it will still output compressed digital 5.1 audio, just not lossless.
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post #3882 of 3899
1/29/13 at 4:54pm
Would the Yamaha Aventage RX-A720 be comparable to our 661 for todays HT setup as far as future proof goes? Or is there a better one??
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post #3883 of 3899
1/29/13 at 4:58pm
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Yeah the lossless codecs only come from bluray players. That box isn't a bluray player so it cannot possibly have True HD and HD Master audio. That's all I meant. It still looks like it has 5.1 surround Dolby digital, etc.. so it will still output compressed digital 5.1 audio, just not lossless.

I just received my WD TV Live today so I'm trying to see how it compares to the PS3. Most of my movies on my PS3 from my NAS play as MPCM on my receiver. Now with this WD TV Live, I'm getting Dolby Digital on the display of my 661 now! Haven't seen that in a LLOONNGG TIME, lol! So you're saying that MPCM is lossless from the PS3 while the WD TV Live is compressed?!?
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post #3884 of 3899
1/29/13 at 5:06pm
Well the MPCM is only lossless if the PS3 is decoding a lossless codec, like DD True HD or DTS HD Master audio from a high quality blu-ray.

It can also be MPCM, and have horrible sounding old DVD audio from 1989 coming through your speakers..

MPCM is just a highway, it can have Lamborghinis or Yugos on it.
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post #3885 of 3899
1/29/13 at 5:16pm
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Well the MPCM is only lossless if the PS3 is decoding a lossless codec, like DD True HD or DTS HD Master audio from a high quality blu-ray.

It can also be MPCM, and have horrible sounding old DVD audio from 1989 coming through your speakers..

MPCM is just a highway, it can have Lamborghinis or Yugos on it.

Thanks for the explanation!

Seems like this WD TV Live is only outputting in Dolby Digital so far with all the movies I'm throwing at it from my PC. I don't think my receiver will be doing much of MPCM with this digital player.
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post #3886 of 3899
2/5/13 at 7:19pm
hello everyone, ive been a v661 owner for over 5 years now and enjoyed every bit of sound that it enhances. only today i scored a Velodyne 1012 subwoofer. ive never hooked a subwoofer to my amp before. and now i have a questions. i cant seem to make any bass come out from the sub. the light turns green on the sub when powered and it does have the pop. the line in on the velodyne has a lefft and right.

1) do i have to use both left and right to make this work? because i only have an RCA in either left or right.

2) how do i set up the subwoofer on my amp? ive tried to play with the remote but cant seem to do it. when i play a movie (Tron) DTS is enabled and im using 7ch enhancer, which i use always on my movies. on the far right of the screen on the amplifier it shows all the channels being used. but the sub icon is not lit. ive tried using other settings on the amp but still doesnt lite up.

3) is there something wrong with the subout on the amp?

any help and walk through with this is greatly appreciated. im in no means an audiophile so please help. thanks so much guys ... aloha
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post #3887 of 3899
2/5/13 at 7:23pm
hello, ive been a v661 owner for over 5 years now and today only i get a subwoofer to play with. its a Velodyne 1012. it powers up and has the pop when turned on. ive neve connected a sub to my amp so im having trouble. i cant seem to set up the amp for the sub. when i play a movie (Tron) i use 7ch enhnacer and the sub icon to the far right of the amplifier screen isnt lit up. i cant figure out how to make it work. im using a single rca plug into the left input of the sub because it does have a left and right input and the subout on the amp is only one. is my subout on the amp faulty?

please help me get through this. i am not an audiophile so all help is appreciated. thanks and aloha ...
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post #3888 of 3899
2/6/13 at 1:17pm
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hello, ive been a v661 owner for over 5 years now and today only i get a subwoofer to play with. its a Velodyne 1012. it powers up and has the pop when turned on. ive neve connected a sub to my amp so im having trouble. i cant seem to set up the amp for the sub. when i play a movie (Tron) i use 7ch enhnacer and the sub icon to the far right of the amplifier screen isnt lit up. i cant figure out how to make it work. im using a single rca plug into the left input of the sub because it does have a left and right input and the subout on the amp is only one. is my subout on the amp faulty?

please help me get through this. i am not an audiophile so all help is appreciated. thanks and aloha ...

Do you still have your manual? If not, you can getherehere.

look on page 74 on setting your LFE/Bass out. Page 22 says getting a signal from your sub out depends on those settings.
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post #3889 of 3899
2/8/13 at 7:00pm
Hi All,

I have owned this receiver for a long time. Today I set up an hdmi 1x2 splitter that connects to my HDMI output, which was previously going to a single TV.

PS3--->RX-V661--->Splitter--->TV A&B
Previously:
PS3--->RX-V661--->TV A

TV B is a new TV which is located in another room. What I'm trying to do is play the audio on that TV as opposed to the speakers connected to the receiver. I can achieve this by setting "S Audio" to "OTHER".

Is there any way that I can play audio in BOTH locations? Or does this receiver not support playing audio on both?

Thanks!
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post #3890 of 3899
2/11/13 at 10:07pm
Hi guys


I've recently got a new tv (with 3d) and so im looking to upgrade my 661 (for the 3d)

I don't really know much, but i'd like to get something that'll be somewhat future proof supports 3D has 4k (i don't know what else to consider?)


I'm not interested in multiple zones or online support


I've begun looking at what's out there and I see a lot of suggestions leading towards Onkyo or Sony but Im not keen on Onkyo and I don't really know about Sony, I notice the ES series provides a 5yr warranty but are they any good?
I'd like to stay with Yamaha but if the competition is more reliable, and offers an all around better experience I don't mind switching


Could someone point me in the right direction on brands/models to look into?
or even options on how to get 3D and continued lossless audio support through my PS3? if that's possible it would help me holding off on upgrading and saving some bills


Thanks very much
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post #3891 of 3899
2/12/13 at 12:38pm
The Yamaha RX-V573 may be what you're looking for. It has support for 3D, 4K, Audio Return Channel, HDMI Passthrough, 24 HZ refresh rates, 30/36-Bit Deep Color, DLNA Audio, and Airplay.
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post #3892 of 3899
2/12/13 at 9:20pm
thank you for the suggestion!

going to do some more research and online shopping biggrin.gif
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post #3893 of 3899
2/12/13 at 11:12pm
Sony TVs are ok.. everything else sony I have ever had has been crap (and I have never had a Sony flat screen).
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post #3894 of 3899
2/13/13 at 2:22am
Replaced my v661 with a Sony STR-DH720. Not top of the line, but passes 3D, automatically switches to 7.1, and pushes my sub way better than the 661 did.
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post #3895 of 3899
2/15/13 at 6:03pm
I just picked up one of these on eBay. I have not received it yet, but I've already run into a problem. I just realized that Yamaha decided to put the audio jacks on one side of the receiver, and the video on the other. I've got a couple video game cables that are a single wire, which split out into the audio and video connectors, but those leads are very short. I'm looking for a short (6-12") RCA extension cable for the audio. I've seen some real cheap looking 6ft cables, but I'd like to get some decent quality short ones. Any ideas where to look? It seems like something monoprice would have, but they don't.

Edit:
Looks like I may end up with this combo:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10429&cs_id=1042904&p_id=7238&seq=1&format=2
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10218&cs_id=1021814&p_id=5346&seq=1&format=2
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post #3896 of 3899
2/23/13 at 3:24am
thanks so much for the help guys just thought i'd update with what i ended up getting

i was looking at the V573 as suggested and became set instead of the A720 and while shopping locally found a great price (locally speaking) for an A2020 and ended up going with that, sigh this is why i hate buying new things because i end up going way out of the limits i set for myself

the unit won't arrive for another week though so i havent been able to enjoy it yet


again, thanks everyone
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post #3897 of 3899
2/25/13 at 9:52am
I got around to running YPAO on my unit. Seemed to work ok, but noticed a couple things. First, it got the crossover hilariously wrong. It set it at 200Hz. And that brings me to my next observation. Only one crossover for all speakers set to small. My old Onkyo HT-R640 allowed different crossovers for each of the speakers. It also seemed to set the level of the sub far too low. On the Onkyo, all the channels were at 0 to +2db with the sub at +5db. On the Yamaha with YPAO, it put most of the channels in the +4-5db range and the sub at -5db. Basically, if I'd have left it like that, I'd never have had any bass at all.
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post #3898 of 3899
2/25/13 at 7:58pm
You can set speakers large or small separately, and that changes crossover frequency if you set it to large for that speaker- but it basically just gets rid of the x-over for that speaker, but you can add the bass from that speaker back int the sub out by selecting "both" when selecting bass out.. so you can at least experiment a bit.

Yeah it always seems to set the frequency at 200 or 160.. I always just put it back down to 60 or 80. It does do good with the individual equalization of the speakers, and the distance- usually. I always run auto peq, my system sounds way better with that set.
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post #3899 of 3899
2/25/13 at 9:35pm
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You can set speakers large or small separately, and that changes crossover frequency if you set it to large for that speaker- but it basically just gets rid of the x-over for that speaker, but you can add the bass from that speaker back int the sub out by selecting "both" when selecting bass out.. so you can at least experiment a bit.

Yeah it always seems to set the frequency at 200 or 160.. I always just put it back down to 60 or 80. It does do good with the individual equalization of the speakers, and the distance- usually. I always run auto peq, my system sounds way better with that set.

Yeah, my fronts are rated down to 55Hz, Center to 75Hz, and surrounds to 40Hz (I highly doubt they could go that low with any linearity with the higher freqs.). So, an 80Hz crossover isn't really all that bad.
I originally bumped the -4.5dB sub set point up to ~5dB, but after listening for a while, that was way to hot, so I ended up settling just at the center 0dB for my sub.

My next question. Is there any difference between "Straight" and "Sur Decode" for digital signals? Eg. when I use straight with a DD5.1 signal, I see straight in the display, but then arrow down and see DD, then 3/2/0.1, etc. With Sur Decode, I just see Dolby Digital. For 2 channel sources, I know it makes a difference, as sur decode will pick things like DD PLII Movie, etc. The manual seems to state that straight bypasses any other DSP. Does it also bypass EQ settings, level settings etc? If not, I'd assume it to be the same as surround decode.
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