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post #31 of 214
I'd also like in on this opportunity. Richard, if I put in my order for the wedges tomorrow, can you coat mine in the group coating? I'd want to have 2 pairs coated to make a 4 prism lens. Thanks for your hard work in putting together this wonderful opportunity - a true credit to the community, here.
post #32 of 214
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Originally Posted by Papajin View Post

The main DIY thread is HERE, but someone distilled a lot of the info found in that thread and made a nice overview page HERE.

The difference is of course cost mainly. I'm sure there's possibly some quality differences as well, but how much of a difference is unknown (at least to me anyway). Then of course there's the fact you do have to spend some time building an enclosure to hold the prisms. With these coated prisms, I would think we should be able to approach the quality of similar commercial lenses.

Thanks so much for that. 60+60+50=$170 plus shipping = $200 plus materials for case $? Plus my time and mental anguish figuring it out, trying to pound together some ugly box even Homer Simpson would laugh at.

-or-

Uncoated $350 ausiemorphic kit done deal shipped no thinking.

Part of me wants the coating. I am assuming the coating is to stop the right-most part of the image from being reflected onto the left-most part of the screen?
post #33 of 214
Thread Starter 
The coating reduces or eliminates rainbow-like reflections that otherwise tend to appear on the screen or side walls in the room. They can be annoying distractions.

There is still time to join the group purchase for anyone who wants to order from Crystal Factory. It is probably too late for people to ship existing prisms to me first if they are not already in a UPS or Fedex system (unless you overnight them...maybe 2 day air). The only limitation will be how many new prisms CF can supply for pickup on March 30. Phone in your order on Monday if possible. There is no limit on the number that L&L will coat. I'm sure they are happy to have the business.

Everyone who gets a confirmed order from CF should send me a PM so I can track the total. Final shipping cost may include shipping from L&L to me in bulk and then reshipping from me to the individual owner. I'd like to avoid this but L&L is not too keen on a lot of little orders.

Thanks,

Richard
post #34 of 214
Joe at CF is getting these prisms on Tuesday. So, better to hurry your orders.
post #35 of 214
I've placed my order for 4 wedges (2 pairs). Thanks Richard!
post #36 of 214
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Originally Posted by Lindahl View Post

I've placed my order for 4 wedges (2 pairs). Thanks Richard!


Me too only one pair. Richard your efforts are sincerely appreciated. PM Sent with my info.
post #37 of 214
Just got off the phone with Joe and I got 4 "wedges" waiting. I am giddy with excitement about this!

Richard: I PM'd you to
post #38 of 214
Richard-

Thanks again for organizing this. I ordered 1 pair which is set aside for you to pick-up.

Take care,
Matthew
post #39 of 214
Thread Starter 
As of 1:30 pm Thursday March 29, here are the totals. If you have not sent me a PM with all of your contact info and confirmation of a placed order, please do so. And PM me with any corrections or omissions, too. We are in great shape.

--Richard


rcgustafson-- 2 pair CF confirmed order
mrehrer--1 pair CF confirmed order; pickup finished pair in Bay area
nelson1138--2 pair CF confirmed order
f430--1 pair CF confirmed order
lindahl--2 pair CF confirmed order
adude--1 pair CF confirmed order
chrisinla--1 pair Massillon; confirmed meeting in Anaheim
papajin--1 pair CF confirmed order
ranger--1 pair CF confirmed order
schen--2 pair CF confirmed order
bluesboyjr--1 pair CF confirmed shipped and received by rcgustafson
phoveo--1 pair CF confirmed order
3sixty--1 pair from Massillon (and 1 pair from CF) confirmed shipped and received
rfpublic-- 1 pair CF confirmed
klemsaba--1 pair CF confirmed

hdjii--1 pair CF unconfirmed
wilson-flyer--1 pair Massillon unshipped but trying
post #40 of 214
WOW!!! I think we're gonna need a bigger boat!
post #41 of 214
Ha ha I feel giddy and I don't even have a projector yet. How silly is that. I've been lurking and this has opened a HUGE can, no wait, barrel of worms!
post #42 of 214
Thread Starter 
I have updated the buy list in my post #39 above.
post #43 of 214
I ordered my 2 wedges today! Thanks for getting this together Richard!
post #44 of 214
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Originally Posted by f430 View Post

Uncoated $350 ausiemorphic kit done deal shipped no thinking.

Just to let you guys know, the NEXT BATCH will be coated...

Mark
post #45 of 214
Thread Starter 
I have updated my post #39 to reflect the current totals. Thanks to bluesboyjr and 3sixty for the excellent packing jobs. Your wedges are safe with me (so far).

I spoke with Richard LaRue at L&L Optics and he does want to ship the finished prisms to me in bulk. I will then send them out individually by UPS ground unless somebody notifies me that they want to pay extra for 3 day air. Each pair weighs 10 or 11 pounds when packed in a box. Shipping will be from 95472 so you can figure out your preferred method and PM me if it is not by ground. As a rule of thumb, getting a pair here from Virginia cost $16 by ground and $38. by 3 day air.

We have quite a few prism pairs to coat and Richard now estimates two weeks turnaround plus shipping time. We will all be eager to get them installed.

For those that missed this group purchase, you can always organize another one. And for those who would like to simplify the whole diy process, it sounds like Mark (CAVX) will have a fine opportunity for you pretty soon.

Richard
post #46 of 214
Richard,
I assume that you would pay lloptics the cost of coating for the whole batch and we will then reimburse you individually the cost of coating plus shipping when ready. Right?
Again, what an opportunity you provided us. Thank you.
Stan
post #47 of 214
Thread Starter 
Yes, Stan. That's the plan, man.

If I have to pay up front for the coating (didn't ask that) then I may ask the group to fork over some reimbursement cash before we get all the way to the final shipping expense. More on that after I get down to Orange County.

Richard
post #48 of 214
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Originally Posted by CAVX View Post

Just to let you guys know, the NEXT BATCH will be coated...

Mark

Excellent news Mark, I'll be ordering a pair to try for sure
post #49 of 214
Thread Starter 
Everything went according to plan on Friday. I met ChrisinLA, who handed off his wedges, picked up 17 pairs of Crystal Factory wedges and delivered 20 pairs total to Richard at L&L Optics. Everybody was very nice and they were all curious about our projects. Richard gave me a mini-tour of the optics lab. They were working on some beam splitters, filters and other items at the time. I took a couple of pictures of the machinery and I will post them here after I get home late next week. Joe at CF was stuck in traffic so I didn't meet him, but the others at CF took care of me. I watched Javier work on a design for the retirement trophy for Tim Salmon. CF does a lot of work for the Angels baseball organization. Also the NHRA and other known sports institutions.

L&L has worked with the observatories in Hawaii and is in the process of planning a move to bigger facilities with clean room in Santa Ana, Ca. Good people. They are going to invoice me after they figure out the shipping charges so it will be a little while before I ask anybody for reimbursement.

That's all for now. I will be touring the Mt. Palomar observatory in a couple of days--keeping the lens theme going.

Richard
post #50 of 214
Sounds good. How long before you guys get them back?

Mark
post #51 of 214
use US POSTAL service for shipping...FLAT RATE PRIORITY MAIL is less than $10 for up to 70 lbs anywhere in the USA! There are specific boxes/sizes that qualify.. I am pretty sure you can save some money here and get boxes free.
post #52 of 214
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the shipping suggestion. I will check that out.

As stated in my earlier post, the timeframe is now about two weeks for coating and then a few more days of shipping to northern California plus reshipping to the individual owners.

By the way, L&L said it is no problem to mark the specific prisms according to owner and that is what they are doing with ours. They do it all the time on various projects.

Mt. Palomar was fascinating. Can't wait for the www.tmt.org
post #53 of 214
Any updates?
post #54 of 214
Thread Starter 
Two more avs guys got into the group purchase at the last minute and their wedges are due to be received at L&L no later than today, so I guess that means I won't receive the bulk shipment of finished prisms until sometime next week--probably late in the week.

Meanwhile, I posted a few photos to keep you entertained. I put them in my public photo gallery at http://rcgustafson.dell.shutterfly.com The password is . The collection includes photos I took at CF and L&L.

Richard
post #55 of 214
Any updates, Richard?
Thanks.
post #56 of 214
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Originally Posted by CAVX View Post

Just to let you guys know, the NEXT BATCH will be coated...

Mark

When and how much?
post #57 of 214
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Originally Posted by Metric View Post

When and how much?

The current price is $535 for the uncoated lens.
I wonder why it is so much when I can get 2 prisms for
under $100 in US!

I guess the prism manufacturers and the coating guys havent
realized that there is a potential market in US for these prisms.

I just ordered 2 prisms (uncoated) and the person asked me if this
is for a projector. I guess once they realize that there is a potential
market, I am sure the prices of the commercial lens (which now are
riculously priced) will come down.

I already have 2 small prisms which I bought from ebay for $8 each and
trust me it is no rocket science to align the prisms to stretch the image.

Even if you dont know the angles all you have to do is just mark
the 2.35 image you want on the wall with painters tape and adjust
the prisms so that the image fills that mark. There are also many web sites
that give the angles for the given zoom ratio.

Will post some pictures once I set up the prisms.
post #58 of 214
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Originally Posted by Mupi View Post

The current price is $535 for the uncoated lens.
I wonder why it is so much when I can get 2 prisms for
under $100 in US!

That price was calculated for the new prisms (the photo is of the current lens). The price has to be set where it is so that the distributor and retailer both make money. The new prisms BTW are not trophies, but custom ground to my spec.

I would like to do another group buy, but I want minimum commitment given the financial outlay I have already made...

Quote:
I just ordered 2 prisms (uncoated) and the person asked me if this
is for a projector. I guess once they realize that there is a potential
market, I am sure the prices of the commercial lens (which now are
riculously priced) will come down.

Or the prism prices go up which is what happened here...

Mark
post #59 of 214
Thread Starter 
The prisms are ready. I received a call Friday afternoon and was asked to send a check for the total cost. It went out in Saturday's mail, so I would anticipate receiving the bulk shipment sometime late next week. As soon as I get it I will turn it around. (ChrisinLa will be picking up his set at L&L after my check arrives.)

I would like all buyers to send me their payment now by PayPal. I will PM each of you with my private email address and billing address in case you don't already have them.

Each buyer owes me $50. per pair of prisms for the coating, plus $10. per pair shipping from L&L to me, plus $4. per pair in tax, plus whatever it costs to ship from me to you. Please go to usps.com and calculate the cost of shipping from me at my 95472 zip code to you. Use the regular package size and allow 11 pounds per pair--that's 22 pounds if you have 4 prisms. Notify me of your preferred speed of shipping (ground, express, etc) and add the total to your bill. Finally, you have to add 3.5% to the sub-total because of the merchant fee that PayPal will charge my account. Send me your PayPal payment at my private email address ASAP. Please email me a separate note stating your shipping address (some of you have done this earlier, but it would expedite matters if you would send the info again along with your payment confirmation.) I'd rather take this info at my private email address than in PM form on this forum. If you don't have a PayPal account and are unwilling to create one you can send me a personal check.

All pre-owned prisms will be returned to their original owners. New prisms will be hand matched by me before I ship. I'll do the best I can, though I'm not sure it makes much (if any) difference.

I think that covers it! Now I will start sending PM's to each of you with my contact info. I might not get that done until late Sunday morning sometime.

My AX-100 is set up. My RS-1 has arrived. My Lumagen HDP is currently on order. Onward!

Richard
post #60 of 214
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Originally Posted by CAVX View Post

That price was calculated for the new prisms (the photo is of the current lens). The price has to be set where it is so that the distributor and retailer both make money. The new prisms BTW are not trophies, but custom ground to my spec.

I would like to do another group buy, but I want minimum commitment given the financial outlay I have already made...



Or the prism prices go up which is what happened here...

Mark

Sam is able to get 2 coated prisms for 99 euros (some $136 USD)
I presume they are also custom cut. I am sure his mount is easy to
make and wont cost more than 50 bucks.

And now we can get prisms coated in US for affordable cost.
I wonder what is the major difference between the prisms that
we can get in US for $50 a piece to the custom cut prisms or the
prisms used in riduculously priced commercial lens, other than
the fact that they are trophies. I guess the commercial lenses are
expensive just because of monopoly. If there are more manufacturers
obviously the price will drop. The prism prices arent going to go up.
After all it is a piece of glass and they are used for variousl other
applications including trophies.

Moreover when I have a projector like IN72 which costs $599 or less
I wouldnt want to spend a lot of money for the lens.
These group buy options for a couple of hundred bucks is good enough.

Like I said I tried the $8 ebay prisms and the picture was fine. I am sure
the US prisms (this thread) or sam's prisms would be just fine especially as they are coated.
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