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post #121 of 180
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Bear in mind that is best practice. I'll be honest, I haven't seen too many do the acoustikmat. The base price (Ted White sells it, but its not on his site) isn't too bad. I am guessing the shipping might hurt a bit.

It wouldn't be the first time I've given Ted money, and I'm sure it won't be the last. Maybe he'll give me a break on shipping if I buy 4 buckets of green glue at the same time.
post #122 of 180
Glad to see this finally moving!

CJ
post #123 of 180
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Glad to see this finally moving!

CJ

Trust me, you're not the only one. Now if I can just get all the junk the better half put in the HT out for the yard sale...

Right now I'm mostly concerned with getting the design right vs. actually building. Anything I catch in sketchup saves a lot of time/money down the road, and I am on a limited budget. The not-being-at-work-80-hours-a-week thing is helping out.
post #124 of 180
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Didn't get much done today, 12 hr work day. But I did get the basics of the stage modeled:





post #125 of 180
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Here's another update. I got the columns and soffit initial cut done. I also added a curved screen. Hopefully this is starting to look somewhat familiar.

This shot is an overview


And this one is to show the screen detail (can't really see the curvedness on the other one)


I also did some touch-up on the stage. I updated it to have a 1.5" lip and smoothed out some of the curves. I still need to fix it a bit as you can see a slight curve inwards in the middle of the top of the stage.
post #126 of 180
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Ok, I've been working on riser design this morning and found a problem. My first major "thank goodness for design" moment. The rack that I am using is a Middle Atlantic AXS-40-GG. This system allows the rack to be pulled out of the wall for maintenance, but requires a 50" clearance. There was not enough room for this. My initial cut at a solution is to have a removable section of the riser (the stair and a small part of the deck) be removable. My prime concern with this approach is how to do the carpet, but I'm sure it won't be a big deal.

Here's a shot of the riser in the "normal" configuration:



And here it is with the rack pulled out and the TRACK 50 in place with the removable section moved:

post #127 of 180
Why not just move the rack (and closet) off the ground to just above the riser height?
post #128 of 180
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Originally Posted by MidniteArrow View Post

Anything I catch in sketchup saves a lot of time/money down the road...

I just have to say that I agree completely! Maybe it's my own form of procrastination, but SketchUp is really helping me through the design/concept phase. Once you get past the "modeling the current structure" piece, it is amazing what you can do.

I really appreciate the level of detail you are sharing with your SketchUp views. Please keep it up...
post #129 of 180
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Why not just move the rack (and closet) off the ground to just above the riser height?

I considered that Moggie, but if I do, I effectively lose rack space. I can reach up to about 75". The minimum elevation off of "ground" level for the track 50 is 3". My riser will be about 18" off the ground. So if I elevate the rack, I'll only be able to use the AXS-32-GG. That would mean giving up 8 single height rack positions, or effectively 3 components. I'd rather not make that sacrifice.

Thanks for the input though, keep it coming.
post #130 of 180
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I just have to say that I agree completely! Maybe it's my own form of procrastination, but SketchUp is really helping me through the design/concept phase. Once you get past the "modeling the current structure" piece, it is amazing what you can do.

I really appreciate the level of detail you are sharing with your SketchUp views. Please keep it up...

My re-design in the Sandman motif is not yet finished, but I figured I'd go ahead and re-post my model. Be warned that all they layers are turned on in this version, and there is a lot that is TBD.

Midnite's HT Model 2.0.0
post #131 of 180
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If anyone has a suggestion on where I may be able to find some half-round sheets of plywood for the columns, I could use some suggestions. So far I have only found one source and it is an online shop. It would come to about $700-$800 total for the 6 columns plus delivery. I called a few local lumber stores and none of them carried such items.

Online shop: http://www.aitwood.com
post #132 of 180
Another source but may be about the same cost:

http://www.tapeease.com/2rounds.htm
post #133 of 180
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Another source but may be about the same cost:

http://www.tapeease.com/2rounds.htm

Thanks BIG, but looking at their prices, they're quite a bit more. Probably would be $900+ for them. I probably should have mentioned them in my post, because that was one of the 2 online companies I found making this stuff and had already filtered them on price. But I swear, any OTHER suggestions will be news to me.
post #134 of 180
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I'm starting the lighting plan and so far I am thinking about a GRX-3104 using, of course, 4 zones. One for the soffit recessed lighting on the side and back walls, one for the soffit lighting over the stage, one for the rope lighting over the soffit, and one for the accent lighting behind the screen.

I am not planning on any in-riser or in-stage lighting as I am trying to control budget. I am also considering dropping the behind screen lighting. This would allow a GRX-3103 unit and a few lights / wires to be trimmed, which would probably save about $200 - $300. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
post #135 of 180
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Originally Posted by MidniteArrow View Post

I considered that Moggie, but if I do, I effectively lose rack space. I can reach up to about 75". The minimum elevation off of "ground" level for the track 50 is 3". My riser will be about 18" off the ground. So if I elevate the rack, I'll only be able to use the AXS-32-GG. That would mean giving up 8 single height rack positions, or effectively 3 components. I'd rather not make that sacrifice.

Thanks for the input though, keep it coming.

Do you really need to be able to reach all of your equipment? The only ones I would see that you need to physically reach on a consitent basis are disk-based sources and you can put them a little below eye level.

CJ
post #136 of 180
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Not necessarily CJO, I just see no benefit rack space I can not reach when there is a solution where I can reach it all. I guess the heart of it is not that it creates rack space I can't reach but that it eliminates rack space that I can reach (the lower rack positions). I'll give it some more thought though.
post #137 of 180
it looks great so far
post #138 of 180
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it looks great so far

Thanks limprizol. Find something that looks good and steal it, works for me!
post #139 of 180
I did borrow your stage drawing for use in my thread...it is scary how close our designs are.

I wish I had your drawing/rendering/design talent.

So far so good!
post #140 of 180
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Just grab a copy of sketchup and start playing. Go through the online tutorials (you can find them with google fairly easy). Sketchup is VERY easy to use, and for free, it is a great price. 95% of modeling a HT is done by drawing rectangles and using the push/pull tool. If you need help with something, feel free to PM me.

As always though, feel free to steal anything and everything that I post.
post #141 of 180
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Well, I just acquired a GRX-3104. I realized that would probably be the first thing to have to go in since it will actually be mounted in the drywall. E-bay purchases are always iffy, but the price benefit was too much to pass up. Hopefully my first HT purchase will arrive in about a week. Wahoo.
post #142 of 180
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I modeled the GRX-3104 this morning:



Here is the Sketch-Up model (Note that in the real model, the cover is placed on the unit, just separated to show what got modeled):
http://www.filedropper.com/lutrongrafikeyegrx-3104
post #143 of 180
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Originally Posted by MidniteArrow View Post

If anyone has a suggestion on where I may be able to find some half-round sheets of plywood for the columns, I could use some suggestions. So far I have only found one source and it is an online shop. It would come to about $700-$800 total for the 6 columns plus delivery. I called a few local lumber stores and none of them carried such items.

Online shop: http://www.aitwood.com

I bought mine from this place: http://www.bd-international.com/Curved.htm If I remember correctly, they have (or are) a parent company so there might be a local palce in your area. I was lucky in that there is a place not too far from where I live that had them in stock (Tacoma, Wa).

Cheers!
post #144 of 180
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Thanks Lamprey, I'll see if I can find out if there is one near me. For mail order, their rates are just a tad higher than the other, but if there is a local warehouse, that formula changes.
post #145 of 180
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Well, I got my first piece of equipment in, so I guess I made that milestone. I'm now the owner of a GRX-3104.

I'm working on the AC and my father is recommending a mini-split system. I understand the basics of this technology and that it is better sonically but more pricey. My prime concern at this point is air exchange. A soundproof room should be relatively air tight, shouldn't it? These units just seem to move air around inside the room and cool it, they don't seem to exchange with outside air. Is this going to be a problem?
post #146 of 180
If you don't have air exchanges, your air will become stale. There's a thread around here somewhere about using dead vents to exchange the air when using a mini-split system.

CJ
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Well, I just acquired a GRX-3104. I realized that would probably be the first thing to have to go in since it will actually be mounted in the drywall. E-bay purchases are always iffy, but the price benefit was too much to pass up. Hopefully my first HT purchase will arrive in about a week. Wahoo.

You do not have to have nor do you want to place the through wall unit in the wall before you drywall. You get the rough-in information and leave an opening or you can install just the sleeve and drywall around the sleeve. Install the unit once all drywall finishing and clean up has been completed.
post #148 of 180
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Thanks for that info mjg. What I was referring to is that most of the electrical and light work does not come through the drywall, so I am deferring the purchase (it is all soffit / column / stage / riser mounted). I've only got 3 drywall punctures in the A/V closet, the GRX-3104, and the HVAC. So far at least, the design is not yet complete.
post #149 of 180
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Just thought an update was overdue. I got slammed at work, and when I'm putting in 80+ hours a week, the HT has to slide off the active queue. It ended last week, so hopefully I can finalize designs in the next few weeks and get started.
post #150 of 180
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Funny how "ended" is a relative term. It was just a short - very short - relief. I soon went back on the crazy work schedule. But, it does look like I've got some time off. I threw together some rough sketches of a HVAC plan. I'm REALLY getting tired of design at this point and REALLY want to start cutting wood, but I'm trying to stay focused. I really have no clue what I'm doing with HVAC, but hopefully this is a start. When the house was built the HVAC contractors knew I'd be adding another unit and there's already something run that supposedly I'll use, looks kind of like an insulated copper tube and maybe a power line. That's the purple line in the drawings below. Red is return, blue is supply. I've got a return coming out of the equipment closet which will have an open front, hopefully that will be sufficient to keep the equipment relatively cool.


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