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post #1261 of 7384
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Originally Posted by Falcon_77 View Post

Thanks! So, unless WUTB turns off analog before 2/17/09, which does not appear to be planned, WNVC won't return until next year. However, WNVT has a simulcast sub-channel for WNVC, according to the following:

There is/was a common MHz .1 channel between the two digital sister stations. However, the digital stations had 8 unique SD sub-channels with different foreign networks between them, so at least 3 are no longer available OTA until next February. WNVC-DT 56 always identified the digital station as -DT 57 and mapped the PSIP data to the physical RF 57 channel, WNVC-DT 57.1, 57.2. They were presumably not supposed to do this, but I guess no one complained to the FCC.

As as side note, on their website about the shutdown, they do state that viewers will need to do a channel scan on February 17 which is something that so many other transition info pages don't mention. However, they probably should have said February 18 as WUTB 24 is likely to say on the air until the bitter end. See http://www.mhznetworks.org/how-to-wa...com_news&id=65.
post #1262 of 7384
POST-TRANSITION DTV TABLE OF ALLOTMENTS, 47 C.F.R. § 73.622(I), CASTLE ROCK, COLORADO. Changed KWHD-DT's DTV channel from 46 to 45. Proceeding Terminated. (Dkt No. RM-11447, 08-106). Action by: Chief, Video Division, Media Bureau. Adopted: 09/02/2008 by R&O. (DA No. 08-2031). MB DA-08-2031A1.doc DA-08-2031A1.pdf DA-08-2031A1.txt


POST-TRANSITION DTV TABLE OF ALLOTMENTS, 47 C.F.R. § 73.622(I), SHREVEPORT, LOUISIANA. Changed KLTS-DT's DTV channel from *25 to *24. Proceeding Terminated. (Dkt No. RM-11455, 08-118). Action by: Chief, Video Division, Media Bureau. Adopted: 09/02/2008 by R&O. (DA No. 08-2032). MB DA-08-2032A1.doc DA-08-2032A1.pdf DA-08-2032A1.txt
post #1263 of 7384
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Originally Posted by sebenste View Post

The answer to #1 is likely no. WWAZ is licensed to Fond-du-Lac, which is in the Green Bay, WI market. This would be essentially shutting down a Green Bay station and starting up a new Milwaukee station. The FCC won't allow that, IMO. I could be dead wrong, and I'd love to hear from someone in the know on this.

Not certain that I qualify as "in the know" but I am aware of a community of license change that crossed DMAs. WPCW (19, post transition 11) in Jeanette, PA (Pittsburgh DMA) was originally licensed to Johnstown, PA (Johnstown-Altoona-State College DMA) and "moved" to Jeanette specifically to gain access to the Pittsburgh market. The analog transmitter is still located outside of Johnstown, while the digital transmitter will be located in the city of Pittsburgh. The transfer was done as part of a bankruptcy proceeding, but still is indicative of the FCC's willingness to allow such transfers between DMAs.
post #1264 of 7384
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Originally Posted by foxeng View Post

POST-TRANSITION DTV TABLE OF ALLOTMENTS, 47 C.F.R. § 73.622(I), CASTLE ROCK, COLORADO. Changed KWHD-DT's DTV channel from 46 to 45. Proceeding Terminated. (Dkt No. RM-11447, 08-106). Action by: Chief, Video Division, Media Bureau. Adopted: 09/02/2008 by R&O. (DA No. 08-2031). MB DA-08-2031A1.doc DA-08-2031A1.pdf DA-08-2031A1.txt


POST-TRANSITION DTV TABLE OF ALLOTMENTS, 47 C.F.R. § 73.622(I), SHREVEPORT, LOUISIANA. Changed KLTS-DT's DTV channel from *25 to *24. Proceeding Terminated. (Dkt No. RM-11455, 08-118). Action by: Chief, Video Division, Media Bureau. Adopted: 09/02/2008 by R&O. (DA No. 08-2032). MB DA-08-2032A1.doc DA-08-2032A1.pdf DA-08-2032A1.txt

Awesome, so any of these moves which show up are channel change requests that got accepted. That's fast turn-around too--filed 06/20/2008, approved 09/03/2008? For government, that's blazing!

- Trip
post #1265 of 7384
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

Awesome, so any of these moves which show up are channel change requests that got accepted. That's fast turn-around too--filed 06/20/2008, approved 09/03/2008? For government, that's blazing!

- Trip

Fast on these two, but I'm wondering what is happening with KNAZ. KNAZ is asking to remain on 22 instead of returning to 2. Flagstaff does not seem to be a problem area (i.e. very crowded and preventing this change). There are also several others which have yet to advance to the NPRM stage.
post #1266 of 7384
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Originally Posted by Falcon_77 View Post

Fast on these two, but I'm wondering what is happening with KNAZ. KNAZ is asking to remain on 22 instead of returning to 2. Flagstaff does not seem to be a problem area (i.e. very crowded and preventing this change). There are also several others which have yet to advance to the NPRM stage.

I'm not sure, there might be some conflict we're not seeing, but I can't imagine what it is. There's a number of stations that haven't been processed, some of which are being immediately processed once amendments are filed (see WMSN, WWSI).

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/r...ent=6520063343

This is an Opposition Comment to WYDO-DT's request to relocate from channel 14 to 47, filed by WRAL-DT, which is moving to channel 48 next year...

- Trip
post #1267 of 7384
I updated my Channel Change page this morning, and will update it again on Friday so it has the full two weeks.

I've put all granted channel change requests in front of a green background, so they're easy to spot.

Also, I figured out why WSYX-DT's move to channel 48 hasn't been given an NPRM yet. It's ever so slightly short-spaced to WQHS-DT in Cleveland, also on 48. I think they'd be much better off asking for channel 32.

- Trip
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WJSP-DT has withdrawn their petition to move from DT-23 to DT-11. WTVM-DT paid them off.

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/r...ent=6520064789

EDIT: I've now updated my page to reflect this and other comments added today.

- Trip
post #1269 of 7384
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

Also, I figured out why WSYX-DT's move to channel 48 hasn't been given an NPRM yet. It's ever so slightly short-spaced to WQHS-DT in Cleveland, also on 48. I think they'd be much better off asking for channel 32.

Actually, this is incorrect - WQHS-DT is actually on RF 34.

WSYX-DT is probably short-spaced to WOAC-DT in Canton, which is on adjacent RF channel 47. Also, they would be potentially short-spaced to WDLI-DT, also in Canton, if their request to move to adjacent RF channel 49 is granted.
post #1270 of 7384
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Originally Posted by TheBlackKnight View Post

Actually, this is incorrect - WQHS-DT is actually on RF 34.

WSYX-DT is probably short-spaced to WOAC-DT in Canton, which is on adjacent RF channel 47. Also, they would be potentially short-spaced to WDLI-DT, also in Canton, if their request to move to adjacent RF channel 49 is granted.

Eep, you're right. Wonder how I got 48 on my website.

It's not short-spaced to those two, I'm trying to figure it out but I'm not seeing anything obvious...

- Trip
post #1271 of 7384
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

WJSP-DT has withdrawn their petition to move from DT-23 to DT-11. WTVM-DT paid them off.

I think WTVM needed it more. They were looking at 1kW on 9. WJSP is at a respectable 177kW on UHF, though 250+ would be better I'm sure. What's wrong with "donating" to PBS?

Something must be preventing WJSP from moving back to 28 and it looks like WTTO.
post #1272 of 7384
WJSP just wanted a VHF like all the other GPB stations (except WNGH, which can't get one). It's a cost thing. They wouldn't have moved back to 28 even if WTTO-DT wasn't there.

I agree, WTVM-DT definitely needed it more, and there's nothing wrong with donating to PBS. I wonder why the FCC was so quick to issue an NPRM for WJSP's application though.

- Trip
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FCC to Host Digital Television Transition Event in Wilmington:

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-285177A1.pdf

Note that the decision to postpone Wilmington's analog shut-off, if needed, will be made no later than 2pm Sunday afternoon.
post #1274 of 7384
From Clovis, NM:

The FCC has dismissed a channel change petition from KVIH -- a satellite station of KVII in Amarillo, TX -- which sought to move KVIH from 20 to 12 post-transition.

Station owner Barrington Broadcasting had argued that due to wind load issues, it would have to operate DT 20 at a measly 0.26 kW for three to four months after the transition. However, FCC engineers determined that the proposed Channel 12 DT facility would leave about 11 percent of its current service area unserved, and the Media Bureau apparently decided that four months of low power is better than a permanent loss of service for that many of its viewers.

Link: http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...-08-2047A1.pdf
post #1275 of 7384
Ouch!

Their mistake was asking for only 1.5 kW. That would shrink their coverage from 82.2 km down to 64.6 km. They SHOULD have asked for 15 kW, which would have 100% replicated the digital coverage area (82.2 km on the dot).

Wonder if they'll refile.

- Trip
post #1276 of 7384
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

Their mistake was asking for only 1.5 kW. That would shrink their coverage from 82.2 km down to 64.6 km. They SHOULD have asked for 15 kW, which would have 100% replicated the digital coverage area (82.2 km on the dot).

I hope the FCC knows better than to try and apply the same logic to stations trying to move off of Low-VHF, because the resulting contour is insufficient. Much more is involved than looking at contour plots, though KVIH could argue that VHF/12 would be more effective in mountainous areas, but probably not at 1.5kW.
post #1277 of 7384
No, they know that. When moving from low-VHF, the argument is that the coverage is not as large as predicted due to noise and whatnot. WBRA-DT argued that areas within the coverage area can't even see it (which is true).

But when you move from UHF to upper-VHF, coverage isn't supposed to shrink. And they especially don't like it when it shrinks by that huge number. In the dismissal document, they note a decrease of more than 11%. That's pretty significant. I can't imagine them looking at that too positively.

- Trip
post #1278 of 7384
TS Hanna has been mostly a bust for the Carolina coast. Not much worse than a winter northeaster. Lots of rain with some wind. It could have been a lot worse than what it was. Mostly a rain soaker and we do need the rain. The state has been in a fairly bad drought for the last couple of years and with the rain we got from Fay last week and Hanna this week, the eastern half of the state should be back to normal yearly levels of rain. Overnight, in my own yard 175 miles NW inland from Wilmington, we have had over an inch of rain with winds calm with gusts to 30 mph in heavy rain bands. Even Jim Cantore of the Weather Channel at Atlantic Beach just off Morehead City, commented early this morning that the winds were not bad for a storm like this and not much rain. Atlantic Beach is a southern facing beach on the dreaded eastern side of the storm. That is why they go to Atlantic Beach and Wrightsville Beach, another southern facing beach. Those get the worst damage from northern moving storms. Western moving storms, Hatteras and Manteo are the favorites of the news media. Most damage to be had.

If Ike continues on its westerly track, I see no reason to slip in the Wilmington launch on Monday. The usual flooding in Raleigh from heavy rain storms like this will cause more damage than has been done in the Wilmington area so far. Like I said, Hanna has been a bust for NC.
post #1279 of 7384
I'm a bit closer to the center of the storm than you, but I would agree with your assessment. I can only assume that all the wet , moving vegitation is giving me all kinds of grief trying to receive OTA (lots of "stop-motion", some minor pixelation, lots of audio pops).

There is a distinct difference in how various tuners handle adverse conditions. Surprisingly, I'd say my Philco TB100HH9 seems to be handling this the best, then my Samsung, then my Olevia 232T TV, and my bedroom TV just can't hold on to enough signal to process.
post #1280 of 7384
I was in the worst of the storm, and both the Wilmington, and Greenville/New Bern/Washington NC channels provided outstanding DTV reception even with 50 MPH winds and higher gusts. My antenna was only about 20 ft high too.
post #1281 of 7384
I have a quick question and perhaps I've been making bad assumptions on Radio Mobile. Does the FCC use ERP or EIRP for their calculations/licenses, etc.? It looks like Radio Mobile defaults to EIRP, but that may not be what I want. Thanks.
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Radio Mobile? Not following. Microwave and above stuff uses EIRP and most everything else ERP. Does that answer your question? If not, I am lost and just ignore me!
post #1283 of 7384
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Originally Posted by foxeng View Post

Radio Mobile? Not following. Microwave and above stuff uses EIRP and most everything else ERP. Does that answer your question? If not, I am lost and just ignore me!

Radio Mobile is a program that can be used for generating coverage maps and signal paths and all kinds of things. I have yet to figure out just how to make it work.

On another note, I've finally gotten 100% caught up on my Digital Transitional Reports. That took forever.

I also added a new page on my site, featuring two maybe-useful calculators: http://www.rabbitears.info/calc.php I was up til 5AM this morning figuring out how to code in JavaScript so I could make that work the way I wanted.

The first one will take a field value number from a station's directional pattern along with the maximum ERP and tell you the ERP you're receiving in your direction.

The second one will tell you what the maximum power allowed for a given height is (ignoring 73.622(f)(5) which allows stations to match the coverage of the largest station in the market). So if you put in Zone 2, Channel 15, at 2000 feet, you get about 316 kW, which is the theoretical limit. Of course, 73.622(f)(5) overrules it in almost every market, but it might be useful for VHFs or something.

- Trip
post #1284 of 7384
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

Radio Mobile is a program that can be used for generating coverage maps and signal paths and all kinds of things.

DUH! I was thinking it was a service the FCC regulated!
post #1285 of 7384
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Originally Posted by foxeng View Post

Radio Mobile? Not following. Microwave and above stuff uses EIRP and most everything else ERP.

Radio Mobile defaults to EIRP for its calculations (see the attached example), but it appears to be designed for microwave use. I should probably be using an antenna gain of 2.15dB to get the system to use ERP instead.

So, when the FCC uses ERP, they really mean ERP and there is not a hidden "I" in there, but rather a "D," right? i.e. E(D)RP vs. EIRP
LL
post #1286 of 7384
WECT Wilmington has a web page with "Big Switch Minutes" on it about the transition. Looks interesting.

http://www.wect.com/Global/category....av=menu157_1_2

Sister WSFX only had a countdown clock on the top of the page.

WWAY had nothing I could find that mentioned the transition, but it is pretty cluttered page so I might have missed it.

WILM had a large box at the top of their page announcing they were on the air digitally and a separate page for the transition.

http://www.wilm-tv.com/
post #1287 of 7384
Foxeng,

WWAY just added an announcement at the top of the site, four minutes after your post!

www.wwaytv3.com
post #1288 of 7384
WECT is streaming their on live air signal on their website for the 12 noon transition with a special. http://www.wect.com
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Posted this idea in the Wilmington, NC thread in response to Falcon_77:

"Too much to expect to ask the stations to shut down the live analog feed a week early and go entirely to a static screen informing the analog viewers what to do. Can't cut into that advertising revenue after all. But I think as the shutdown date draws near, maybe within the last week cutting into the analog broadcasts only for 1 to 3 minutes at a time with a warning screen or short video clip that if you are seeing this, you are not ready for the impending shutdown. Stations should do this right smack in the middle of Oprah, daytime shows, primetime shows, whatever. It will make some people angry, but it will get their attention. The stations doing early shutdowns should do this as well in the week before. A lot of people will ignore the scrolling warning message at the bottom of the screen (not everyone will be able to read the messages)."

What are stations planning to do in the immediate days before they pull the plug on the analog, either at midnight on 2/17 or earlier? I suspect something that may come out of the Wilmington shutdown is the need to more aggressively get the analog viewers attention in the final days. 30 second clips during commercial breaks or scrolling messages won't be enough.
post #1290 of 7384
Starting in January stations should run nonstop crawls. Even during the Superbowl. The crawls should only be on the analog signal. The stations should make sure that all cable systems and both satellite companies are converting/downrezzing the digital signal for analog cable or SD digital cable or satellite (unless of course they are providing a direct station to headend signal). Ban any and all retransmission of the analog OTA signal so absolutely nobody except OTA viewers will see the crawls.
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