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post #5731 of 7384
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

FCC Action:

WBAY is operating at 25% power due to a failed transmission line.


- Trip

Just a heads up. Yes, WBAY has a problem and is at a lower power, but there seems to be another effect. WBAY shares its tower with WPNE, the local PBS affiliate. My WBAY signal is still near 100%, even though I am behind a tall hill 38 miles from the tower. The signal strength on WPNE, however, dropped from 100% to 85-90% since this began eight days ago.

When WBAY shut down for repairs, both stations were shut down for safety reasons. When they were refired, WPNE came back at much less signal strength, while WBAY still reads 98-100%, even at 25% power.

Bill
post #5732 of 7384
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

Click the "Log In" button at the top right and there's a Register link on the resulting page.

Got it, thanks!
post #5733 of 7384
Comments were filed on the proposals to allot channels 4 to New Jersey and 5 to Delaware.

Nave Broadcasting filed in support of both.
Revolution Transport Services filed in support of New Jersey.
WPVI filed an opposition, noting it would limit their ability to further increase power on 6.
Broadcast Maximization Group filed an opposition citing proposals to reallocate 5 and 6 to FM.

And, of course, PMCM filed in both cases as though the FCC hadn't ruled at all. I thought the PMCM filings sounded very obnoxious, saying things like "When PMCM's channel allocations are effected..." but that's probably just how these things are written. It sounds like PMCM will be trying legal action.

- Trip
post #5734 of 7384
VHF Nightmare: KAKE-10 in Wichita files to light up their pre-transition 21 signal again at 15 kW.

- Trip
post #5735 of 7384
I can't believe after all this time, WJW in Cleveland is doing NOTHING. Even Raycom's WOIO is adding a fill-in translator!
post #5736 of 7384
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

VHF Nightmare: KAKE-10 in Wichita files to light up their pre-transition 21 signal again at 15 kW.

- Trip

Have they already withdrawn the application? I'm not seeing it on the FCC web site.
post #5737 of 7384
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Originally Posted by Jeff747 View Post

Have they already withdrawn the application? I'm not seeing it on the FCC web site.

http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws....ility_id=65522

You may get a server error. If so, click again. It seems to give that error roughly 50% of the time.

- Trip
post #5738 of 7384
Thanks for your help, now I'm seeing what I was looking for.
post #5739 of 7384
More problems from the world of Longley-Rice coverage maps. Now it seems that some stations have inaccurate coordinates on file with the FCC. The one Bob and I have been investigating is PBS affiliate K18HD-D in Bakersfield. This station's longitude appears to be a full 8 seconds from where it should be, which has made my map extremely inaccurate. And that's after converting the FCC's NAD27 into WGS84.

The original application cites this American Tower:

http://www.americantower.com/OASISPu...&lngTowerid=-1

FCC converted to WGS84: 35.438302582787,-118.739252549504
American: 35.4378,-118.74136

I have a list as long as my arm of stations which turned out wrong just like K18HD-D that I suppose must be done manually.

- Trip
post #5740 of 7384
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

More problems from the world of Longley-Rice coverage maps. Now it seems that some stations have inaccurate coordinates on file with the FCC. The one Bob and I have been investigating is PBS affiliate K18HD-D in Bakersfield. This station's longitude appears to be a full 8 seconds from where it should be, which has made my map extremely inaccurate. And that's after converting the FCC's NAD27 into WGS84.

The original application cites this American Tower:

http://www.americantower.com/OASISPu...&lngTowerid=-1

FCC converted to WGS84: 35.438302582787,-118.739252549504
American: 35.4378,-118.74136

I have a list as long as my arm of stations which turned out wrong just like K18HD-D that I suppose must be done manually.

Trip --

I was going to bring this up in an e-mail but opted to post it here since the topic is of widespread interest.

Presuming I haven't somehow botched the NAD27 => WGS84 conversion, does the FCC have any vetting process to ensure the accuracy of data in the applications. Mistakes can and will happen but an error as egregious as K18HD should it happen with a full-power station might have an impact on interference projections.
post #5741 of 7384
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Originally Posted by re_nelson View Post

Presuming I haven't somehow botched the NAD27 => WGS84 conversion,

Given that most of the facilities I've spot-checked are spot on, I doubt you botched it.

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does the FCC have any vetting process to ensure the accuracy of data in the applications. Mistakes can and will happen but an error as egregious as K18HD should it happen with a full-power station might have an impact on interference projections.

I don't think the FCC much cares with these low-powered stations. I think the full-powered stations would be of a much greater concern.

I don't know if there's a vetting process or not.

- Trip
post #5742 of 7384
I receive K18HD easily at my home in the Oildale suburb in north Bakersfield. It has a stronger signal for me than full power KBAK or especially VHF KERO.
post #5743 of 7384
Early last August I filed a complaint with the FCC using their on-line system about KBSV still transmitting analog intermittently some 2 months after the analog shutdown. Not long after KBSV ceased analog entirely and has stayed off. I assumed the FCC had contacted them.

This past Friday at nearly 6 pm I received a call from an FCC person asking about my complaint. I asked her, "What complaint?" She said "KBSV." It was so long ago I had forgotten about it. I told her they ceased analog transmissions last August. I asked what took so long and she said they had they had a lot of complaints to follow up on.

I guess they do respond to complaints but it might take 6 months.
post #5744 of 7384
Quick notice to those who care. WVIA-41 (44-1) in Scranton was taken off the air last week by a fire on their transmitter building. It's believed to be a total loss. In the interim, WNEP lit up their former digital channel 49 gear and stuck WVIA on it.

- Trip
post #5745 of 7384
I don't see a recent STA for this on WVIA or WNEP. Are they re-using an old STA?
post #5746 of 7384
The FCC's been closed for a week and a half. The fire was on Friday. I doubt anything's shown up yet.

- Trip
post #5747 of 7384
KKAI in Kailua is filing for a DTS. The current signal on channel 50 doesn't even hit Honolulu according to predictions: http://www.rabbitears.info/contour.p...=1250567&map=Y

The DTS transmitter would be located on the mountain which is home to KGMB/KFVE/KHNL/etc.

- Trip
post #5748 of 7384
Trip, how should the colors in your L-R plots be interpreted?
post #5749 of 7384
Important to keep in mind that multipath is not taken into account.

Green means that an indoor antenna should have no trouble with the signal. It gets progressively harder as it moves from green to yellow to orange to red. If the signal is red, and indoor antenna could get really lucky and catch it, but an outdoor antenna would likely have no trouble with the signal.

- Trip
post #5750 of 7384
WWUP-10 in Sault Sainte Marie, MI has filed to increase power from 20.7 kW to 25 kW.

WJGV-CD, a station Piggie has seen a few times, has filed to relocate from channel 48 to 25 and increase power. Plus, they want to change the directional pattern. Maybe Piggie will be able to receive it reliably.

- Trip
post #5751 of 7384
AMENDMENT OF SECTION 73.622(I), POST-TRANSITION TABLE OF DTV ALLOTMENTS, TELEVISION BROADCAST STATIONS, BEAUMONT, TEXAS. Proposed channel substitution for station KFDM(TV) from channel 21 to 25. (Dkt No. 10-49 RM-11593 ). Action by: Chief, Video Division, Media Bureau.

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...A-10-307A1.pdf

They are looking for a non-directional antenna on 25 vs. the current directional antenna on 21.
post #5752 of 7384
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Originally Posted by Calaveras View Post

I received a call from an FCC person asking about my complaint. I asked her, "What complaint?" She said "KBSV." It was so long ago I had forgotten about it. I told her they ceased analog transmissions last August. I asked what took so long and she said they had they had a lot of complaints to follow up on.

I guess they do respond to complaints but it might take 6 months.

I called the Hot Line on June 12 complaining about WHBF. I received the blank FCC form in November. LOL
post #5753 of 7384
Does anyone know of any ION stations that made power boosts since they came out of bankruptcy?
post #5754 of 7384
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Originally Posted by lutznct1 View Post

Does anyone know of any ION stations that made power boosts since they came out of bankruptcy?

The two ION stations by us WBPX and WPXG are still showing at DS-APP according to http://www.rabbitears.info/ so it in our case FCC has not yet approved the change.
post #5755 of 7384
Before bankruptcy, Ion's station in New York City, WPXN had told the FCC, when it had applied to move its transmission higher on the Empire State Building with additional power - 349kW ERP, that the work would be completed by August 2009. It was not.

Instead, the station continued to use its previous analog location, lower on the building and the only change has been increasing power from 100kW to 180kW.

It may have helped some, but not me. I still can't receive the station - I did, with no problem before the transition.

I have tried to contact the station to find out when they were finally going to move higher on the buildig, but the station has not had the courtesy to respond.

Ion may be out of financial bankruptcy, but it remains bankrupt when it comes to serving and communicating with its viewers.
post #5756 of 7384
Thanks folks for the information. I was hoping for something better to happen for my local ION (WVPX), which isn't at 1000k (CP) nor 790k (STA), but at 317k (according to the station and license filing via the FCC), but that doesn't look like it's going to happen. It's taken quite a fight to get it to come in. I dread to see what happens when leaves come back on the trees!
post #5757 of 7384
I didn't know WVPX was at such a low power. I'm not far from them, so I get them in my teeth. (My sister, who lives over there...the thing is basically in her backyard!)

Still moaning about WJW and WOIO. I'm temporarily without cable, and I have to do gyrations with the indoor antenna to get them...if I'm lucky. Of course, the tuner in the set downstairs is an older generation model. Can't wait for WOIO to get its app approved for LD 24 on the WVPX tower...I should have little problem getting that. I get everything in the Akron antenna farm great.
post #5758 of 7384
WVPX is not only licensed to Akron, but located in Akron and trying to serve the entire Cleveland market. If there's a priority list for upgrades for a post-bankruptcy ION, you'd think it'd be pretty high up.

WBNX (CW) is licensed to Akron, but is in the Parma antenna farm.
post #5759 of 7384
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

Tonight's FCC action:

The one VHF Nightmare this evening is a repeat of one we've already had. KTSM-9 in El Paso had previously followed in follow El Paso broadcaster KVIA's footsteps and signed its UHF digital back on the air. Now, once again, KTSM-9 is following in KVIA's footsteps by asking for more power on its VHF signal. They want to boost from 34 kW to 70 kW.

- Trip

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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

FCC action for the evening.

KVIA, currently simulcasting on 7 and 17, has requested an increase in power up to 55 kW on channel 7. Apparently, the Mexicans have approved up to 65 kW, so no Mexican coordination is required.
- Trip

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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

VHF Nightmares:
Also tonight, KTSM is seeking an STA to implement the power increase they'd previously sought for channel 9. They wish to test it against the UHF signal.

- Trip


It seems to me that both KVIA & KTSM should just give up Trying to broadcast on VHF and go back to UHF.
post #5760 of 7384
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Originally Posted by Inundated View Post

I didn't know WVPX was at such a low power. I'm not far from them, so I get them in my teeth. (My sister, who lives over there...the thing is basically in her backyard!)

Still moaning about WJW and WOIO. I'm temporarily without cable, and I have to do gyrations with the indoor antenna to get them...if I'm lucky.

It could be much worse. There's a rumor on WKYC's message board (from someone with apparent inside info) that WKYC is at least thinking of going back to RF 3 to save on power costs, and is supposedly the reason the old tower has not been taken down. Sure hope this doesn't happen. I guess with Gannett's (and NBC's) troubles, this is a plausible scenario.

Hope WVPX is able to increase power - they're fine here in the winter, but get shaky when the leaves come back on the trees.
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