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post #6871 of 7384
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

Ah, gotcha.

And Larry, make sure you note that KFTY 50-1 is supposed to be adding MeTV.

- Trip

I checked with KFTY and they responded that ME-TV starts on channel 50-1 on April 25th. Apparently they're dropping all of the programming they have on there now, which is mostly syndicated re-runs.

Larry
post #6872 of 7384
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Originally Posted by OTAhead View Post

The METV website shows the network to be on KUIL in the Beaumont/Port Arthur, Texas area but KUIL is still showing MY NETWORK TV..

Found out KUIL does show ME for only 2 hours during prime time one or two nights a week.....Thats evidently why they show up on the METV site...
post #6873 of 7384
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Originally Posted by BPTTV View Post

Found out KUIL does show ME for only 2 hours during prime time one or two nights a week.....Thats evidently why they show up on the METV site...

I wrote an e-mail to London Broadcasting last night a little after 8, and already have gotten a response from Phil Hurley stating that KUIL swill be adding another channel most likely by September or at the latest by December.
post #6874 of 7384
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Originally Posted by Larry Kenney View Post
Actually, I've been amazed that they've been able to get two HD channels to look so good! I watch KGO, 7-1, for at least two hours a day, 5 to 7 pm, for the news, and I don't ever see any pixelation or break-up. I'll admit that it's not as sharp as KPIX, the CBS O&O, which has no sub-channels, but I don't know if that's due to the lower bitrate or 720P vs 1080I.

The Living Well channel on 7-2 will pixelate occasionally if there is a lot of movement. I don't think it'd work well for a hockey game, but for what they do on the Living Well programming it works okay.

Larry
SF
WLS-TV in Chicago is also the same way. 7.1 is ok, but not totally sharp (720p isn't as sharp as 1080i, unless the TV only goes as high as 720p). Livewell Network pixelates a lot, due to lack of bandwidth to keep a sharp enough picture to watch. I wish Livewell would just be widescreen 480i instead of being 720p. The only other station in the Chicago market that has dual 720p HD is PBS station WYIN. They not only have 56.1 & 56.2, but they also have 2 widescreen 480i channels, whereas WLS-TV only has 1 480i channel, but in full screen.
post #6875 of 7384
The KFDM granted channel allotment change from RF channel 21 to RF channel 25 has taken place and is now official, and ERP has been increased from 170 KW to 350 K.

EDIT: Now with an omni instead of directional antenna...
post #6876 of 7384
I made a new page listing the few stations which provide 5.1 audio with SD video. http://www.rabbitears.info/oddsandends.php?request=sd51

- Trip
post #6877 of 7384
A new version of SPLAT came out that has a new terrain model in it. I generated a new map of NBC29 and while this model now appears to correctly predict signal on the other side of the mountains (Staunton and Harrisonburg), it now severely overpredicts signal levels in the flatter areas. At my home, the signal level went from red to yellow, and it is definitely a red-level signal. I'm wondering if the model is indeed better, but has not taken into account the curvature of the Earth. Any thoughts?

http://www.rabbitears.info/contour.p...&appid=1009759

(The map was only run out to a radius of 160 km, which should have been more than enough to reach the end of the receivable signal. Nobody in Clarksville is watching NBC29.)

- Trip
post #6878 of 7384
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

(The map was only run out to a radius of 160 km, which should have been more than enough to reach the end of the receivable signal. Nobody in Clarksville is watching NBC29.)

- Trip

That might be fine over flat ground but it's not far enough when the transmitter and receiver are located on mountaintops. KSBW is my strongest VHF station here and it's 185 KM. I also receive KFTY at 192 KM and KION, KMMD, & KLFB all at 213 KM.

Chuck
post #6879 of 7384
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Originally Posted by Calaveras View Post

That might be fine over flat ground but it's not far enough when the transmitter and receiver are located on mountaintops. KSBW is my strongest VHF station here and it's 185 KM. I also receive KFTY at 192 KM and KION, KMMD, & KLFB all at 213 KM.

Chuck

When I run these maps, I do adjust for terrain in a given area. Los Angeles stations are run with at least 224 km, for example.

160 km should have been enough for NBC29.

- Trip
post #6880 of 7384
KVIA update (7 > 17 adopted by NPRM):

POST-TRANSITION DTV TABLE OF ALLOTMENTS, 47 C.F.R. 73.622(I), EL PASO,
TEXAS. Substitution of channel 17 for channel 7 at El Paso. (Dkt No.
11-74 RM-11630 ). Action by: Chief, Video Division, Media Bureau.
Adopted: 04/26/2011 by NPRM. (DA No. 11-746).

http://www.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Da...A-11-746A1.pdf
post #6881 of 7384
That's great. I wish KCOS could afford to go back to the pre-transition channel 30, but if their monthly newsletter is any indication they barely manage to stay on the air. Besides, their was a problem when they were on 30 as it is also used by an analog religion station is Las Cruces and viewers too close to the other transmitter can not get KCOS.
post #6882 of 7384
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Originally Posted by Mister B View Post

That's great. I wish KCOS could afford to go back to the pre-transition channel 30, but if their monthly newsletter is any indication they barely manage to stay on the air. Besides, their was a problem when they were on 30 as it is also used by an analog religion station is Las Cruces and viewers too close to the other transmitter can not get KCOS.

Is the analog a LP? If so, full power stations can run off analog stations now...they have priority..or get the religious station to swap channels..BPT at the other end of the state is all UHF (after being all VHF analog...2 lowbands!)
Pity, the batwing used on channel 4 analog is sitting at 1000+ft unused...and likely will never be taken down...makes me almost want to file for a DTV on 4 and run something noone else is in HD...or go with several SD networks like Antenna TV, etc. I cant stand to see vertical real estate not being used.
post #6883 of 7384
I just checked the FCC site. It seems they are low power with 42.5 KW. I can just barely get them in color with the antenna I have pointed at KRWG which is on a different large hill but in the same direction as their transmitter.
post #6884 of 7384
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Originally Posted by BPTTV View Post

BPT at the other end of the state is all UHF (after being all VHF analog...2 lowbands!)

Methinks thoust forgot KBMT??? It's, of course, still on VHF...
post #6885 of 7384
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Originally Posted by BPTTV View Post
Pity, the batwing used on channel 4 analog is sitting at 1000+ft unused...and likely will never be taken down...makes me almost want to file for a DTV on 4 and run something noone else is in HD...or go with several SD networks like Antenna TV, etc. I cant stand to see vertical real estate not being used.
You want to try using a batwing/ST antenna for DTV on the low-band? brave...

There are a lot of these still up. Most haven't been taking down across the country unless there was a compelling reason to do so, like on Sutro Tower. It's a waste of real estate, perhaps, but if the tower isn't overloaded, why spend big $$$ to remove it? What does it run, something like $150-200k to remove such an antenna? Most stations aren't looking to spend such money and are even less likely too with the NBP looming.

It's not uncommon for the old batwings to still have the prime real-estate, with DTV still relegated to clumsy side-mounts. Just look at the Empire State Building.
post #6886 of 7384
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Originally Posted by Falcon_77 View Post
You want to try using a batwing/ST antenna for DTV on the low-band? brave...

There are a lot of these still up. Most haven't been taking down across the country unless there was a compelling reason to do so, like on Sutro Tower. It's a waste of real estate, perhaps, but if the tower isn't overloaded, why spend big $$$ to remove it? What does it run, something like $150-200k to remove such an antenna? Most stations aren't looking to spend such money and are even less likely too with the NBP looming.

It's not uncommon for the old batwings to still have the prime real-estate, with DTV still relegated to clumsy side-mounts. Just look at the Empire State Building.
There is also structural integraty that has to be considered as well. When you get to weight and length of those antennas mounted on top of a tower, they become part of the structure from a physics standpoint and therefore have to be treated as if they were a horizontal or a vertical or a leg. We have a 16 ton 140 ft channel 8 antenna on our auxiliary tower. If we were to take that old antenna down, we would have to replace it with something of similar in mass and length to keep the fulcrum point in check or take down 200 additional feet of tower to keep it standing. That is the laws of physics.
post #6887 of 7384
New VHF nightmare. WJTV in Jackson, MS is giving up on channel 12 and seeking channel 28 in its place.

- Trip
post #6888 of 7384
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

New VHF nightmare. WJTV in Jackson, MS is giving up on channel 12 and seeking channel 28 in its place.

That's pretty amazing given a good facility of (at least on paper) 49.2 kW and a healthy HAAT of 1610. We're approaching the second anniversary of the transition and these VHF nightmares are still coming in. albeit at a slower pace.
post #6889 of 7384
Here in Wichita, KSNW built a new tower for DT-45 immediately adjacent to the TV-3 tower, and the old TV-3 tower and antenna are still there; A new TV-3 antenna was installed in 2002, though that signal signed off in June, 2009; I have a feeling that they are wise to keep that equipment indefinitely in case they do have to give up 45 for DTV.
post #6890 of 7384
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Originally Posted by re_nelson View Post

That's pretty amazing given a good facility of (at least on paper) 49.2 kW and a healthy HAAT of 1610. We're approaching the second anniversary of the transition and these VHF nightmares are still coming in. albeit at a slower pace.

Yet, KPLC in Lake Charles, LA is one VHF NON nightmare...60KW ERP on RF7 at about 1500ft iirc....they have an excellent signal out 60-70miles depending on the rcv antenna setup. I am right at 70m with a VU90 RS at 20ft and a CM7777...I get them MOST of the time...need a few extra DB gain (change the coax) or raise the antenna a little higher (time for ROHN tower 49.2KW and 1610 HAAT and they want to go back to UHF?? Something aint right there.
post #6891 of 7384
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Originally Posted by OTAhead View Post

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Originally Posted by BPTTV View Post

BPT at the other end of the state is all UHF (after being all VHF analog...2 lowbands!)

Methinks thoust forgot KBMT??? It's, of course, still on VHF...

Yeah I did...but with the limited ERP (28KW) they have on RF12, maybe they should have gone to UHF....(of course we have the analog LP on 9...whopping 50w ERP!!)
post #6892 of 7384
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Originally Posted by BPTTV View Post


Yeah I did...but with the limited ERP (28KW) they have on RF12, maybe they should have gone to UHF....(of course we have the analog LP on 9...whopping 50w ERP!!)

But KBMT does have the granted CP to go to 160 KW. Directional of course, but 160 KW none the less...

Did you get the pics of the non existing stations to send to the FCC???
post #6893 of 7384
ION media has applied to make the DC-based on-channel translator for WWPX 12 a permanent facility. The parameters would be the same as the current STA: 150 watts DA from northwest DC. Notice that the term "DTS" is not used anywhere. Notice also at the end ION promises to drop their request to substitute 51 for 12 if the FCC grants this application. WETA should be crossing their fingers!
post #6894 of 7384
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Originally Posted by Dave Loudin View Post
Notice also at the end ION promises to drop their request to substitute 51 for 12 if the FCC grants this application.
Interesting, I hadn't noticed that.

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WETA should be crossing their fingers!
WETA's petition for 51 was dismissed already, I believe. That said, I never saw the document explaining why, so I can only assume WETA could refile if they wanted.

- Trip
post #6895 of 7384
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

WETA's petition for 51 was dismissed already, I believe. That said, I never saw the document explaining why, so I can only assume WETA could refile if they wanted.

- Trip

I notice you have it shown as dismissed in the rabbitears listing. Where do you see this on the FCC's site?
post #6896 of 7384
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Originally Posted by Dave Loudin View Post

I notice you have it shown as dismissed in the rabbitears listing. Where do you see this on the FCC's site?

It's in the FCC database, but I don't have an easy way to show it to you. (The RabbitEars database has been adjusted since the FCC hasn't been good about showing approved channel changes as "GRANT" so you'd probably want a raw FCC database copy.) But if you find the record for it, you'll see its status set as "DIS."

The closest thing I can show you without extracting the whole database is that the DR listing is no longer shown in the TV query when you search for WETA.

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?state...&slon2=&size=9

Unlike WWPX, which is still shown:

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?state...&slon2=&size=9

Actually, this might work as well.

http://www.fccinfo.com/CMDProFacLook...ll+Sign+Search

Note the last record in the list is WETA-DR. Its status, in the left-most column, is "DIS."

- Trip
post #6897 of 7384
Oh, I didn't think DR records showed in the standard TVQuery list. It's been a long time since I pored through the raw records...

If WETA's request was dismissed, then why is WWPX's request for 51 still MX?
post #6898 of 7384
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Originally Posted by Dave Loudin View Post

Oh, I didn't think DR records showed in the standard TVQuery list. It's been a long time since I pored through the raw records...

If WETA's request was dismissed, then why is WWPX's request for 51 still MX?

From the paperwork you linked to:

"Until recently, however, ION’s Petition was mutually exclusive with another proposed rulemaking for another broadcaster. The mutual exclusivity delayed the Commission’s processing of ION’s Petition, and it has remained pending."

Which means they recognize that it is no longer mutually exclusive, but now the FCC is sitting on it in the same way they're sitting on the KCFG petition. In the case of WWPX, I bet even the FCC thinks creating 30% or more new interference to WDCW is a bad idea, even though WDCW accepted it (as a condition of getting the 1000 kW permit approved).

- Trip
post #6899 of 7384
Zing! I just zipped right over that one.
post #6900 of 7384
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

but now the FCC is sitting on it in the same way they're sitting on the KCFG petition.

For almost 3 years now. You know, if the FCC automatically dismisses a CP if not built within 3 years, shouldn't a singleton application automatically be approved if the FCC doesn't act on it for 3 years?
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