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post #7351 of 7384
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

The FCC has started trying to figure out how to clear stations off of channel 51. See here. http://www.rabbitears.info/tvq.php?c...est=list&sort=

- Trip

I'm not getting your link. They all say WTB.
post #7352 of 7384
WTB = Wireless Telecommunications Bureau. Remember, it's not the stations that are themselves filing to move off of 51, the WTB is filing to move them involuntarily off of 51. The facilities are identical to the stations involved; just compare KGAN, for instance, to the 29 in Cedar Rapids. Power and height are the same, just different channel.

- Trip
post #7353 of 7384
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

WTB = Wireless Telecommunications Bureau. Remember, it's not the stations that are themselves filing to move off of 51, the WTB is filing to move them involuntarily off of 51. The facilities are identical to the stations involved; just compare KGAN, for instance, to the 29 in Cedar Rapids. Power and height are the same, just different channel.

- Trip

Well with the incentive auctions 51 was going to go away anyways. The FCC might not get 120 MHz like they wanted but they'll get something. I don't like how they want to move Memphis to 27. Is it the FCC's goal to have Memphis an Nashville have all the same channel assignments? Both have a 5 and 23 already. When WTVF gets on 25 they'll be two 25's now they'll be two 27's if this goes through.
post #7354 of 7384
List of full power channel 51 licenses:

http://transition.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tv...&type=3&list=2

It's ridiculous for the FCC to move stations from 51 to 38, 39, and 50 if they're planning to clear that spectrum with an incentive auction.
post #7355 of 7384
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Originally Posted by joblo View Post

List of full power channel 51 licenses:

http://transition.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tv...&type=3&list=2

It's ridiculous for the FCC to move stations from 51 to 38, 39, and 50 if they're planning to clear that spectrum with an incentive auction.

Nobody said the US Government was intelligent......especially the FCC.
post #7356 of 7384
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Originally Posted by BCF68 View Post

Well with the incentive auctions 51 was going to go away anyways. The FCC might not get 120 MHz like they wanted but they'll get something. I don't like how they want to move Memphis to 27. Is it the FCC's goal to have Memphis an Nashville have all the same channel assignments? Both have a 5 and 23 already. When WTVF gets on 25 they'll be two 25's now they'll be two 27's if this goes through.

Lately it seems the FCC thinks that RF stops at the county line....in Texas we have issues with LDs on channels with a full power or a Class A 90 miles away causing issues....(and with the ducting along the Gulf Coast, we know a little about such things...KBMT in Beaumont, TX is LMAing RF43 and using it as a source for translator RF36 to the east; problem? The path to RF43, a LD, is right in line from RF36 site with a 60KW Class A at 2000ft 90miles away...a little ducting and you get the idea...not the picture

Repacking the band is ludicrous if the FCC moves fwd with this 120MHz retaking...there is no room for all the FS and LD/CDs in there....and then add in the analogs going to digital..I hate to think about San Fran market or similar.....(shudder)
post #7357 of 7384
The FCC wants co-channeling in adjacent markets because they don't want anyone to watch out of market stations. It's all about DMA, DMA, DMA!!!
post #7358 of 7384
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Originally Posted by Desert Hawk View Post

The FCC wants co-channeling in adjacent markets because they don't want anyone to watch out of market stations. It's all about DMA, DMA, DMA!!!

That has nothing to do with DMA. Repacking the number of stations necessary demands more co-channeling. The TV band will become nothing but a mess of interference in many markets that people will not want to put up with and will cause people to purchase services from the wireless companies to watch their programs. That is what the FCC is after. To destroy FREE OTA TV as we know it for the financial benefit of certain wireless companies. Cronyism. Plain and simple.
post #7359 of 7384
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

The FCC has started trying to figure out how to clear stations off of channel 51. See here. http://www.rabbitears.info/tvq.php?c...est=list&sort=

- Trip

Good Luck with finding another frequency for WTAE, Pittsburgh. They would'nt be on channel 51 if another 1 Megawatt frequency was available.
post #7360 of 7384
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Originally Posted by Sammer View Post

Good Luck with finding another frequency for WTAE, Pittsburgh. They would'nt be on channel 51 if another 1 Megawatt frequency was available.

They have a LD on 22. Any reason why they can't convert that to a FP other than cost?
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Originally Posted by BCF68 View Post

They have a LD on 22. Any reason why they can't convert that to a FP other than cost?

Too close to WFXP.

- Trip
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I'm curious as to why WKEF in Dayton was not on the list of stations having to change channels
post #7363 of 7384
I think the list was only a beginning.

- Trip
post #7364 of 7384
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Originally Posted by BCF68 View Post

They have a LD on 22. Any reason why they can't convert that to a FP other than cost?

According to a search on Trip's Rabbit Ears website it appears that channels 27 & 31 are the only open UHF frequencies for a full service station. Channel 31 would require the FCC to dispose of KDKA's application for a fill-in translator and who knows if either are suitable for a million watt ERP.
post #7365 of 7384
And it looks like WEPX Greenville has petitioned to relocate from channel 51 to 26. No paperwork yet.

- Trip
post #7366 of 7384
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Originally Posted by BCF68 View Post

Well with the incentive auctions 51 was going to go away anyways. The FCC might not get 120 MHz like they wanted but they'll get something.

At least one of the six stations on channel 38 or higher in Pittsburgh has to either go to low VHF or go out of business and channel 14 and 18 (Land Mobile) have to be made available for television repacking rather than spectrum auctions for there to be even a slight chance of the FCC recovering channels 31-51 in the area and that's without considering what it will take to recover spectrum in adjacent markets. Three of the stations that would have to be moved are maximum power major network affiliates.
post #7367 of 7384
Wow, the FCC wasted no time. I hadn't found the documents for WEPX in PRM12MB, where I would have expected them to be, so I decided on a whim to try looking for recently-assigned docket numbers... sure enough, the FCC already assigned it a docket number, 12-130, and I found the documents there.

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/docume...?id=7021919921

I'll be keeping an eye out for an NPRM any day now.

- Trip
post #7368 of 7384
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

Wow, the FCC wasted no time. I hadn't found the documents for WEPX in PRM12MB, where I would have expected them to be, so I decided on a whim to try looking for recently-assigned docket numbers... sure enough, the FCC already assigned it a docket number, 12-130, and I found the documents there.

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/ecfs/docume...?id=7021919921

I'll be keeping an eye out for an NPRM any day now.

- Trip

26 is actually a better channel, but I doubt seriously with that short tower that WEPX will gain as many viewers as they think, especially with all the trees around eastern NC.

This whole wireless business is garbage. Elites looking to suck more out of the sheep.
post #7369 of 7384
Anybody have any idea what's the status and holdup on the WNCT Greenville NC request to move to UHF ?? It's been over a year and a half since they submitted the application......wonder if FCC is waiting on repacking fallout or is it dissent from other stations ? Wonder where and when they will end up ?


Thanks.....
post #7370 of 7384
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Originally Posted by barefootdipole View Post

Anybody have any idea what's the status and holdup on the WNCT Greenville NC request to move to UHF ?? It's been over a year and a half since they submitted the application......wonder if FCC is waiting on repacking fallout or is it dissent from other stations ? Wonder where and when they will end up ?


Thanks.....

Look in the Greenville, NC thread. There is the explanation of why no channel changes nationwide (not just WNCT) have been granted.
post #7371 of 7384
Here's a good paper on DTV repacking.

http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7022112024

Ron
post #7372 of 7384
Thanks !

It never fails....i ALWAYS read the Greenville HD thread first, then pop over here......EXCEPT yesterday......i got it backwards.....posted the Q here before checking the Greenville HD thread. I checked over there afterwards and I saw the new answers-- DOH !!! Sheesh...sorry guys.....but thanks for the heads up and links, really appreciate it !! Yeah, I've read the FCC papers. Thanks again...

Yup....Repacking freeze as i suspected......sad.
post #7373 of 7384
Check out Trips blog post on Rabbitears.info for some really good ideas and insight into what should be done with radio and broadcast TV. I hope the message he sends in is heard.
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Hi,

 

 

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By the end of this month, the Federal Communications Commission will vote on proposed rules governing a planned 2014 auction that will allow over the air TV stations to surrender their “free TV” channels in return for money from the nation’s wireless phone companies looking for more mobile broadband spectrum.

http://stopthecap.com/2012/09/11/fcc-prepares-to-sacrifice-free-over-the-air-uhf-tv-channels-for-lucrative-wireless-auctions/

 

SHF

post #7375 of 7384
Are apps for new TV translators frozen as result of the repacking freeze? (I think they are, but not sure)

Are apps for on-channel TV boosters frozen as well?
post #7376 of 7384
New translators were frozen long before the latest freeze.

DTS is allowed as long as it doesn't expand the contour, but I'm not sure why anyone would build anything right now knowing it may need to be replaced again in a few short years.

- Trip
post #7377 of 7384
During the DTV transition period, I tried to keep up with related news. I have a Winegard HD-8200 antenna that I use with great success. During the transition, I watched VHF stations go to UHF, and then a few of them rolled back to vhf.

Anyway, after a recent storm, I found myself in the market for a new telescoping antenna mast. I spoke earlier today with a vendor that informed me that the combination uhf/vhf antenna would soon be obsolete because in 2014, all VHF band would be free of television signals. Since I hadn't kept up with the latest FCC mandates, I hated to argue. In addition, he is in the antenna business, and should be well aware of what's going on.

I've got to know if it's true. Are we soon losing the VHF channels again? Sorry if I missed it in this thread.
post #7378 of 7384
No, the VHF band itself isn't going anywhere, but some of your previous posts indicate that you are in the Tri-Cities DMA. If that is correct, both WCYB and WJHL have petitioned the FCC for permission to move from VHF to UHF, which would clear off the VHF band in your market. As of yet, the FCC has not acted on those petitions and does not appear to be in any hurry to do so.

- Trip
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I believe it is the UHF band that may be reduced when the repacking issue is resolved.
post #7380 of 7384
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Originally Posted by tylerSC View Post

I believe it is the UHF band that may be reduced when the repacking issue is resolved.

That is correct. The VHF band is even more worthless to the wireless companies than is it to TV broadcasters.
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