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post #31 of 62
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Originally Posted by tqlla View Post

So you guys believe
A) Toshiba is selling the most Stand alone players(what is it a 6:1 lead?)
B) PS3 owners are not using their system for movies

How do you explain the 3:1 BD disc sales lead over HD-DVD?

post #32 of 62
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Originally Posted by tqlla View Post

So you guys believe
A) Toshiba is selling the most Stand alone players(what is it a 6:1 lead?)
B) PS3 owners are not using their system for movies

How do you explain the 3:1 BD disc sales lead over HD-DVD?

Look not only at the release quality of the first 90 days of 2007 for both formats but look at the numbers as well. The frustration from many around here was that the HD DVD group just slacked off. All of them....Universal, Warner and Paramount didn't release many titles. Piracy fears may have played a part but it's evident that that sales ratio advantage comes from the diametrical forces. Lack of HD DVD titles and PS3 effect sales and an influx of BD titles.
post #33 of 62
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Originally Posted by tqlla View Post

So you guys believe
A) Toshiba is selling the most Stand alone players(what is it a 6:1 lead?)
B) PS3 owners are not using their system for movies

How do you explain the 3:1 BD disc sales lead over HD-DVD?

Lack of content. The same lack which Blu Ray experienced for several months in '06.
post #34 of 62
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Originally Posted by MSmith83 View Post

The player I'm talking about is actually the Denon DVD-2930 SD DVD/SACD/DVD-A player. For HD, I have an HD-A2 and a PS3.

My comment was referring to how well-priced the HD-XA2 is when I paid more for an SD DVD player. The Toshiba is probably one of the best bargains today in consumer electronics.

Ok thanks. I thought you were referring to the LG player.
post #35 of 62
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Originally Posted by tqlla View Post

So you guys believe
A) Toshiba is selling the most Stand alone players(what is it a 6:1 lead?)
B) PS3 owners are not using their system for movies

How do you explain the 3:1 BD disc sales lead over HD-DVD?

More new releases for BD(more than double in the last 2 months).
Oh and the lead was ALMOST 2-1 ,i think.

Oh and we have had more than one million ps3s sold at the end of February.How do you explain that total sales of BD disks ,at that time,were 670k if ps3 users are buyng BD disks like crazy??

Anyway i didn't create this thread to attract the usual BD trolls,i just found it intersting and proof that the price advantage can help HDDVD,The A2 has climbed to n.3 as i write this post and yes i know that amazon sales numbers are not that important but people seem to take them as gospel these days,at least when it suits their agenda.
post #36 of 62
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Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post

It's foolish to compare

Casino Royale- an exclusive title

and

The Departed- a title that is supported on both platform.

This is an Apple's to Oranges comparison. If you want to compare HD Departed vs BD Departed then that makes sense

I only included them as references for the kinds of sales volumes Amazon has (not just rankings) and what would be foolish is ignoring them relative to player sales indicated by stock numbers.
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Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post

Facts are the HD DVD players are indeed selling consistently. We've already seen BD lovers attempting to discredit the Amazone rankings and others that embrace them. The numbers aren't lying..the players "are" selling. When you look at Serenity and Batman Begins hovering around in the Top 15 you know that new users are grabbing those titles.

Of course they are selling. At what rate they are selling is the question. "Batman Begins" was averaging about 24 copies a day for a while, but looks like it has dropped off some. "Serenity" looks like probably less than 10 copies a day on average on Amazon. And no need to go off about how it is foolish to compare "Batman Begins" and "Serentity" to "The Departed" just because I mentioned estimates for each.

--Darin
post #37 of 62
Actually on AMAZON the HD DVD are starting to move up again. CHILDREN OF MEN currently ranks at #48 and HAPPY FEET at #53 (Besting the BD version which is #84.)

HD DVD is begining to perk up again. May will be a killer month for HD DVD and it will continue through the end of the year. It ain't over yet.
post #38 of 62
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Originally Posted by Brad1963 View Post

Actually on AMAZON the HD DVD are starting to move up again. CHILDREN OF MEN currently ranks at #48 and HAPPY FEET at #53 (Besting the BD version which is #84.)

HD DVD is begining to perk up again. May will be a killer month for HD DVD and it will continue through the end of the year. It ain't over yet.

yes clearly there is life in this old dog yet. I haven't bought any titles recently but I'm gearing up for some orders and of course May will bring TMT which is certainly going to be mine.

I think the April 1st price decrease will spur sales along with new titles to buy. I'm getting ready for a nice run.
post #39 of 62
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Originally Posted by tqlla View Post

So you guys believe
A) Toshiba is selling the most Stand alone players(what is it a 6:1 lead?)
B) PS3 owners are not using their system for movies

How do you explain the 3:1 BD disc sales lead over HD-DVD?

- lack of games for the ps3 (a lot of nerds bought casino royal because they have no games to play)
- recent 60% off sale at amazon.com on blu-ray discs didn't hurt either
- i have noticed more sales @ amazon.com of blu-ray discs over hd dvd discs in the past as well

do you think the lead is still going to be there when the matrix trilogy hits on hd dvd? it should swing things over to the hd dvd side.......this will be a sea saw battle though because matrix is coming to blu-ray as well

-happy feet and children of men are also tilting the scales towards hd dvd
post #40 of 62
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Originally Posted by hmurchison View Post

Of course he does. He hasn't had an orginal thought seens he's registered here.

Listen to what he's attempting to state.

Standalone Blu-ray players are even
The PS3 then would be +2 million

So the logical person would indeed question then why, with a 2+ million player surplus and movie surplus only adds to a 3:1 or even a 4:1 ratio.

If these aforementioned numbers are correct the aside from CR and some other Blockbusters HD in general would not be doing that good.

are you the toshiba fella?

the only logical thing to do here is to look at the facts. npd are the most widely respected sales tracking organisation in the biz, and they clearly stated stand alone sales were equal between hd and bd. there haven't been 2 million ps3s sold in the us of course, and the attach rates for consoles was never going to be as high as for stand alones. 4:1 is not a ratio toshiba should be proud of, regardless of the excuses they try and spin around it.
post #41 of 62
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Originally Posted by shiznit View Post

- lack of games for the ps3 (a lot of nerds bought casino royal because they have no games to play)
- recent 60% off sale at amazon.com on blu-ray discs didn't hurt either
- i have noticed more sales on amazon of blu-ray discs over hd dvd discs

do you think the lead is still going to be there when the matrix trilogy hits on hd dvd? it should swing things over to the hd dvd side.......this will be a sea saw battle though because matrix is coming to blu-ray as well

-happy feet and children of men are also tilting the scales towards hd dvd

happy feet is on both formats, while children of men was a low return cinema release and is unlikely to improve much on home video. and while the matrix is a decent performer it's gonna have to stand up against the pirates movies, with all the publicity of a new one swirling around the marketplace.
post #42 of 62
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Originally Posted by Issac Hunt View Post

are you the toshiba fella?

the only logical thing to do here is to look at the facts. npd are the most widely respected sales tracking organisation in the biz, and they clearly stated stand alone sales were equal between hd and bd. there haven't been 2 million ps3s sold in the us of course, and the attach rates for consoles was never going to be as high as for stand alones. 4:1 is not a ratio toshiba should be proud of, regardless of the excuses they try and spin around it.

Well Toshiba should know why the disparity exists. They haven't sold as many standalones as they need to. They haven't advertised as much as they need to. The studios haven't delivered content as much as they need to.

They're lucky their still in the game. If they don't pick up a couple of studios for 2008 they are going to be hurting units. It's time to get the closers in Fox,LGF and Disney hdqtrs for some serious discussions.
post #43 of 62
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Originally Posted by Issac Hunt View Post

happy feet is on both formats, while children of men was a low return cinema release and is unlikely to improve much on home video. and while the matrix is a decent performer it's gonna have to stand up against the pirates movies, with all the publicity of a new one swirling around the marketplace.

PotC will be interesting. My gf and I were like "meh" regarding the second one. We won't be going to the 3rd installment on opening week. There is pent up demand for The Matrix Trilogy but the pricing is expensive enough and that will slow things down.

The good news is the content is coming. 300 is going to be huge for both platforms. I enjoyed the visuals very much for that movie. The extras should be nice.
post #44 of 62
300 was a blast!
post #45 of 62
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Toshiba's HDDVD players dong great on amazon

Toshiba's HD DVD players have great dongs?
post #46 of 62
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Originally Posted by Issac Hunt View Post

are you the toshiba fella?

the only logical thing to do here is to look at the facts. npd are the most widely respected sales tracking organisation in the biz, and they clearly stated stand alone sales were equal between hd and bd. there haven't been 2 million ps3s sold in the us of course, and the attach rates for consoles was never going to be as high as for stand alones. 4:1 is not a ratio toshiba should be proud of, regardless of the excuses they try and spin around it.

The NPD player sales #s were through December 2006. Old data based on limited production first generation sales.
post #47 of 62
toshiba had a significant headstart on bd during that time (aside from the samsung deck) and still came out about even - through this period the amazon rankings were similarly higher for hd decks compared to bd decks. the clear inference is that amazon is unusual to the norm for highdef player sales.
post #48 of 62
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Originally Posted by MSpeed6 View Post

another million blu ray players sold this weekend in europe.

Are you able to see the future??
post #49 of 62
Matrix effect?
post #50 of 62
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Originally Posted by Slim GoodBooty View Post

Matrix effect?

We'll have to watch over the next few days to see how the stock numbers move. But the ranking doesn't seem to have moved all that much in the last couple of days. The price for the HD-A2 is $357 right now, so that might have more to do with the increased sales over the last 3-4 days. Although I don't know what the price was last week.

--Darin
post #51 of 62
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Originally Posted by darinp2 View Post

We'll have to watch over the next few days to see how the stock numbers move. But the ranking doesn't seem to have moved all that much in the last couple of days. The price for the HD-A2 is $357 right now, so that might have more to do with the increased sales over the last 3-4 days. Although I don't know what the price was last week.

--Darin

Plus the fact that next week HD DVD is back on the releases schedule after 3 weeks on none.
post #52 of 62
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Originally Posted by MSpeed6 View Post

CAll it what you want. Apparantly alot of these GAME SYSTEMs are being used to play movies, by 3:1.


Yeah, on itsy bitsy 20" screens but not on large (60"+) family TVs and projectors.
post #53 of 62
HD DVD isn't in as bad of shape as the BD boys would have you believe. Otherwise, why would they keep coming here over and over to "convince" us that we're buying into a dead format?
post #54 of 62
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Originally Posted by MattGuyOR View Post

HD DVD isn't in as bad of shape as the BD boys would have you believe. Otherwise, why would they keep coming here over and over to "convince" us that we're buying into a dead format?

I love rhetorical questions. Insecurity? Small cojones? Smaller wallets?
post #55 of 62
The BD guys aren't coming here to convince us to stop supporting a "dead" format. What's the point? In fact I end up buying more HD DVDs because of their posts! They are here for one reason only - to convince the BD owners who come here to see what's new with HD DVD that it is not worth buing into. The problem is that HD DVD is worth buing if you like what Universal has to offer and you don't want to wait for the BD version some movies Warner has already released on HD DVD or are about to release. They want HD DVD dead right now because they know that if it survives it will chip away at BD with pricing, quality and innovations.

Cheers,

Grant
post #56 of 62
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Originally Posted by Deja Vu View Post

The BD guys aren't coming here to convince us to stop supporting a "dead" format. What's the point? In fact I end up buying more HD DVDs because of their posts! They are here for one reason only - to convince the BD owners who come here to see what's new with HD DVD that it is not worth buing into. The problem is that HD DVD is worth buing if you like what Universal has to offer and you don't want to wait for the BD version some movies Warner has already released on HD DVD or are about to release. They want HD DVD dead right now because they know that if it survives it will chip away at BD with pricing, quality and innovations.

Cheers,

Grant

Great post! 100% agreed.
post #57 of 62
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Originally Posted by MSpeed6 View Post

another million blu ray players sold this weekend in europe.

From what I heard, everybody stayed home and for the people who did show up sony paid them with new TV's.
post #58 of 62
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Originally Posted by Issac Hunt View Post

hd dvd players aren't sold out on amazon they can't be doing too well. this year has been a disaster for hd dvd.

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What are you smoking?
post #59 of 62
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Originally Posted by Issac Hunt View Post

to apply your own twisted logic - since the hd dvd players aren't sold out on amazon they can't be doing too well. this year has been a disaster for hd dvd.

latest figures show a 4:1 ratio of bd software sales to hd dvd.

That ratio disapeared as soon as the prices went back to normal.
post #60 of 62
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Originally Posted by FremontRich View Post

Yeah, on itsy bitsy 20" screens but not on large (60"+) family TVs and projectors.

I know a number of people using the PS3 on large screens. including myself....unless 65" is too small for you.
Mr1D1sturbed as well.
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