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post #211 of 3008
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Originally Posted by optionyout View Post

I have the Haydns and Maestro center and am looking for rears that don't break the bank. How about some input on budget rear surround speakers that go well with this setup.

Optionyout

If you just want surround sound, any reasonably neutral speaker will do. If you're doing multichannel music where you need equal performance from all speakers you're probably best using VA rears. I use a pair of JBL N24II speakers (no longer made, about $50 for the pair), and they work just fine for light surround duty. I don't have real multichannel music.
post #212 of 3008
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Originally Posted by optionyout View Post

I have the Haydns and Maestro center and am looking for rears that don't break the bank. How about some input on budget rear surround speakers that go well with this setup.

Optionyout

I hope the following helps you because I am extremely pleased with my Viennas and am glad to see you join the club.

One of the most helpful comments I can provide to you is to suggest you define "budget". Define budget in $ terms, speaker type (probably in your case bookshelf), etc. People will be able to provide you with better input if you are more specific.

And then another suggestion would be to keep in mind that everyone is just offering you their opinion. Speaker selection, as I found out from my experience, is extremely subjective. Thus, you are the final decision maker in what to purchase.

Now, I would like to provide you with 3 suggestions.

The first suggestion is that I would stick with the same manufacturer. Again, this is opinion because many folks will say that the selection of surround speakers is not so critical. But based upon my ears I prefer to select surrounds from 1) the same manufacturer; and, 2) the same product line. So, my first choice would be to purchase another pair of Haydns. If price is an issue then maybe used or demos. If price is still an issue find a way to convince yourself that it is worth it.

My second suggestion would be to trade in the Maestro and replace it with the Theatro. I am kind of a nerd so I put in a lot of time and effort into my speaker selection. And I have the Maestro and I think that it is a great center channel. But, also in my opinion, within the Vienna Acoustics Grand line certain speakers are more complentary than others. For example the Maestro is more complementary to the Mozarts and up within the Grand line. The Theatro is more complimentary to the Bach and Haydns. Again, my opnion. So if you are lucky enough to be in a situation where you can return the Maestro I would. The Theatro is about $500 cheaper. If you could return it then I would reinvest the savings into purchasing another pair of Haydns. Not only would you still have a good quality center channel but you would also have a more solid, integrated, complementary five-speaker system setup.

If that is not possible here is my 3rd suggestion. Consider the moderately priced product lines of 1) Monitor Audio and 2) NHT. I have friends that like my Vienna's quite a bit but they are not interested in shelling out the cash required. We have done some legwork on alternatives and it seems the Monitor Audio line of speakers is a decent alternate at a lower price point. Look at the Silver Series. Regarding NHT, I had use of an NHT center channel prior to purchasing my Maestro. I thought it was a decent product and at around 25% of the cost of the Maestro. (I am just as hesitant to shell out $ as the next guy).

But I wanted better quality so I moved up to the Theatro and then eventually to the Maestro. Lost sleep for 2 days prior to pulling the plug and handing over the $ but I have no regrets. My floorstanders are Mozarts and I concluded that this was a better combination with the Maestro. If you have a chance compare the Theatro with the Maestro by pulling of the grills and then compare the construction and drivers to the Haydn with the grills off. This is just one area where you will see that the Theatro is a better match for the Haydns.

Hope this helps and best of luck in your research.

Ese Out.
post #213 of 3008
Does anyone own both the Haydn Grand and the Waltz Grand? I'm in a market for a pair of rear speakers for my SACD 5.1ch setup, and can't decide which way to go. I've heard the Haydn Grand but not the Waltz Grand.... how do they compare? I have the BCG for the front and getting the Maestro for the center.

Thanks.
post #214 of 3008
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Originally Posted by T-3G View Post

Does anyone own both the Haydn Grand and the Waltz Grand? I'm in a market for a pair of rear speakers for my SACD 5.1ch setup, and can't decide which way to go. I've heard the Haydn Grand but not the Waltz Grand.... how do they compare? I have the BCG for the front and getting the Maestro for the center.

Thanks.

I have the Waltz in Maple. I use them for a all seven speakers. They sound nice. I listened to them compared to the Haydn's and thought they sounded fuller. The main reason for the Waltz for me was that they are designed to be mounted on the wall. The room I have them installed in is a shared family room, so with kids it was important to get everything off the floor/shelves, even if I sacrificed some quality in the physical config. Overall I am very happy with the Waltz's.
post #215 of 3008
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Originally Posted by T-3G View Post

Does anyone own both the Haydn Grand and the Waltz Grand? I'm in a market for a pair of rear speakers for my SACD 5.1ch setup, and can't decide which way to go. I've heard the Haydn Grand but not the Waltz Grand.... how do they compare? I have the BCG for the front and getting the Maestro for the center.

Thanks.

T-3G:

Read my post above yours. I have heard both the Haydn Grand and the Waltz Grand. IMHO Waltz Grand is a better match for the Maestro.
post #216 of 3008
I disagree with the other two. Properly placed on stands, I think the haydn is a superior design to my ears. However, in terms of flexibility, the waltz is obviously much easier to live with but doesn't sound as good if both are setup properly IMO.
post #217 of 3008
Thanks for the response Ese. Not a bad idea to try and trade the maestro away to help finance the rest. I have them in Rosewood so it would be pretty hard to match similar looking speakers anyway.
post #218 of 3008
Re: Haydn Grand vs Waltz Grand

Thanks all for the reponses. I'm not particularly looking for bass response for the rear speakers, as I have the BCG and the REI sub. Considering the fact that the Waltz Grand has two midrange drivers, I was thinking it has richer, clearer sound than the Haydn Grand. I guess I'll make a visit to a local shop and hear them myself.
post #219 of 3008
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Originally Posted by optionyout View Post

Thanks for the response Ese. Not a bad idea to try and trade the maestro away to help finance the rest. I have them in Rosewood so it would be pretty hard to match similar looking speakers anyway.

optionyout:

please follow-up with whatever, you do. I am anxious to hear what you end up with and how you like it.

Thanks.
Ese
post #220 of 3008
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Originally Posted by T-3G View Post

Re: Haydn Grand vs Waltz Grand

Thanks all for the reponses. I'm not particularly looking for bass response for the rear speakers, as I have the BCG and the REI sub. Considering the fact that the Waltz Grand has two midrange drivers, I was thinking it has richer, clearer sound than the Haydn Grand. I guess I'll make a visit to a local shop and hear them myself.

T-3G:

Please follow up when you get the surrounds and let us know what you end up with. Especially, after things are set up and you are settled. I look forward to hearing about what you end up with and how the completed package sounds.

Thanks.
Ese
post #221 of 3008
BTW:

Would appreciate any responses on the following.

I am currently working with the following system. I have a Denon AVR-3808CI powering a set of Vienna Acoustics Mozart Grand floorstanders, a Maestro center channel and am using an old pair of Sansui's as surrounds. Overall, the Sansuis work well within the system.

However, I am planning at some point to replace them with better surrounds. In all likelihood, I will replace with Vienna's. For what I have, the Waltz Grands seem to be the likely choice. BUT, I am curious what the system would sound like if I used floorstanders as surrounds. In my case, I would stick with the Mozart Grands. My sense is that I would note an improvement in sound quality over the Waltz Grands with music. And, my sense is also that any SQ improvement would be less noticeable with movies, primarily because the surrounds are less active when used with a movie soundtrack.

This is something I have been thinking about and trying to get a handle on the cost/benefit angle. So, does anyone have, or has anyone heard a Vienna Acoustics-based system where 4 towers were used in the system rather than the more traditional 2 towers in the front and smaller bookshelf-type speakers in the back. If so, on a scale of 1 to 10 how would you rate the sound quality for a) MUSIC and, b) MOVIES for each scenario? Scenario 1 being 4 floorstanders. Scenario 2 being 2 floorstanders and 2 bookshelf-type surrounds.

Thanks.
post #222 of 3008
Although you may receive some excellent responses to your questions, you may also want to work with your dealer before you buy. Normally, local dealers will allow you to try out the Mozart Grands and the Waltz Grands in your home listening environment before making a decision. They fully understand that room acoustics, actual placement of the speakers and your personal preferences play a very large role in how you perceive the sound quality. As they say: “one man’s medicine is another man’s poison”. You may pay more for taking this approach as opposed to Internet shopping, but the selection of speakers is very subjective and it is difficult to make a buying decision based solely on test reports and the opinions of others. All other things being equal I do think you are wise in planning to stay with VA Grands for the surrounds but a $2,500 difference in list price between the two models really does suggest that some in-home evaluation would be useful if you can possibly arrange it, IMHO.
post #223 of 3008
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Originally Posted by cappy1 View Post

Although you may receive some excellent responses to your questions, you may also want to work with your dealer before you buy. Normally, local dealers will allow you to try out the Mozart Grands and the Waltz Grands in your home listening environment before making a decision. They fully understand that room acoustics, actual placement of the speakers and your personal preferences play a very large role in how you perceive the sound quality. As they say: “one man’s medicine is another man’s poison”. You may pay more for taking this approach as opposed to Internet shopping, but the selection of speakers is very subjective and it is difficult to make a buying decision based solely on test reports and the opinions of others. All other things being equal I do think you are wise in planning to stay with VA Grands for the surrounds but a $2,500 difference in list price between the two models really does suggest that some in-home evaluation would be useful if you can possibly arrange it, IMHO.

Cappy1:

Thanks for taking the time to respond to my question. And I absolutely agree with you that an in-home evaluation would be useful. Therefore, you will probably be dumbfounded by what I am about to tell you.

I tried working with my local dealer for a loaner. With the exception of Magnolia/Best Buy, there are not many dealers in my area that sell the VA Grands. However, prior to my original purchase I e-mailed Sumiko, the VA distributor. They referred me to a flagship Magnolia store--about 1 hour away--and an independent dealer--also about 1 hour away. I contacted both and hit it off best with the independent dealer and they offered to let me bring home the Mozarts on loan. This was prior to my initial purchase of the VAs. I took them up on their offer and brought home a pair on loan. The loaners confirmed that the VAs were for me. (I had listend to probably about 20 different speakers during my search). So I bought a pair of VA Mozart Grands and followed up this purchase with the VA Maestro Grand center channel.

Which brings me to the story that will probably leave you dumbfounded. I am very happy with my VA set up so far and have been using an old pair of Sansui's for the surrounds but am considering purchasing new surrounds. So I called up the dealer to discuss another pair of Mozart Grands on loan to set up with my existing VAs and to determine whether the increase in SQ of having 4 Mozarts would be worth the extra $$ involved. The salesperson (different from the one I usually deal with because my main guy was off that day) told me that it would be no problem. So I happily jumped in the car for the +/- 1 hour drive to the dealer to pick up the Mozarts on loan.

Then I get there and am having a discussion with the salesman and when he learns that I intend to use the loaners as surrounds he reneges on his agreement. His rationale is basically, that he thinks I'm an idiot to even be considering Mozarts as surrounds because of the price and it would be a waste of my $$ and their time to provide the loaners. (I arrived at their store after 1 PM Saturday, they close at 3PM and I was going to return the Mozarts Monday morning so they would be without the speakers for approximately 2 hours and their was no business in the store). He was even patronizing about it. I was dumbfounded, realized that there was no point in pursuing the discussion and left--without the Mozarts.

As you said, speakers are extremely subjective, and everyone has their opinion. But my view is that it is not a salersperson's place to pontificate on how and where I spend my $$.

In addition, the spread between the Mozarts and the Waltzes, at retail is about $1,400 (the difference in list price between the 2 is $1,400). And I did not intend to pay retail price. So the spread in street price to me would probably have been about $800 to $1,000. I'm a long-term hold guy and intend to keep the VAs for 5 to 10 years. So, if I take the midpoint, say $900 and spread this out over the hold term it would cost me an additional $90 ($7.50 per month) to $180 per year ($15 per month) to buy the Mozarts over the Waltzes. And if the Mozarts were noticeably better--to my ears--than the Waltzes then viewed in this way it made sense to me and was not an indication that I was an idiot.

So yeah. The loaner idea is an excellent one. My next step is to locate a dealer that does not think a customer is an idiot if his desire for high quality SQ has him considering Mozarts as surrounds.

Ese out.
post #224 of 3008
Does anyone use Class-D to drive VA Strauss? Will Jeff Rowland a good match with Strauss?
post #225 of 3008
hi all,
I know that it may appear a strange question, but I hope to get some user's opinion on the following matter. Would you know if pluging the ports of the mahlers with some foam or socks, or whatever available, could harm the sound or worse the speakers? Did any of you do that?
thank you
post #226 of 3008
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Originally Posted by orologio View Post

hi all,
I know that it may appear a strange question, but I hope to get some user's opinion on the following matter. Would you know if pluging the ports of the mahlers with some foam or socks, or whatever available, could harm the sound or worse the speakers? Did any of you do that?
thank you

Not a strange question.

I have the Mozart Grands. They came with port plugs, I think some sort of foam, maybe. I believe, per the Vienna Acoustics manual, these were included and recommended for situations where the listener wanted more bass. I have not used them as yet. If you'd like I would be happy to dig out my manual and confirm the aforementioned.
post #227 of 3008
Hello,
I am looking for an amp to drive a pair of Mozart Grands. So far I have narrowed my choices down to these amps that are in my price range.

2 x Monarchy Audio SM-70 Pro (mono)
2 x Parasound Classic 275 (mono)
1 x Parasound Classic 2125 (stereo)
1 x Parasound Halo A23 (stereo)
1 x Odyssey Stratos (stereo)

Any thoughts or suggestions would be great!
post #228 of 3008
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Originally Posted by Ese View Post

Not a strange question.

I have the Mozart Grands. They came with port plugs, I think some sort of foam, maybe. I believe, per the Vienna Acoustics manual, these were included and recommended for situations where the listener wanted more bass. I have not used them as yet. If you'd like I would be happy to dig out my manual and confirm the aforementioned.

I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you. The plugs did not come with my Mahlers and neither sumiko mentioned anything. The mahlers actually have a switch in the back to increase/decrease the amount of bass. But the reason I am asking is that to me it appears that there is a reverse phase effect at the tuning port point (30hz) and that affects the subwoofer's integration if crossed that low while connected with a the REL's supplied speaker level.

I am fond of Vienna Acoustics Speakers very much.
post #229 of 3008
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Originally Posted by Ese View Post

I have the Mozart Grands. They came with port plugs, I think some sort of foam, maybe. I believe, per the Vienna Acoustics manual, these were included and recommended for situations where the listener wanted more bass. I have not used them as yet. If you'd like I would be happy to dig out my manual and confirm the aforementioned.

Actually, it's the exact opposite. These foams are used to reduce the amount of bass.

An excerpt from the Mozart Grand manual:

Please take note of an important feature of Mozart Grand: We have added 2 pieces of BCUs which can be used to close one or both reflex-ports on the rearside of the speaker. This is an important room tuning aid: As Mozart Grand has unparalleled low bass capabilities compared to its size, some rooms can create problems with such low frequencies. By closing the reflex-ports low frequencies are reduced in amplitude and thereby matching bass-boosting rooms.
post #230 of 3008
T-3G:

Have you decided on the Hadyn Grands vs. Waltz Grands yet?
post #231 of 3008
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Originally Posted by seefeel View Post

Hello,
I am looking for an amp to drive a pair of Mozart Grands. So far I have narrowed my choices down to these amps that are in my price range.

2 x Monarchy Audio SM-70 Pro (mono)
2 x Parasound Classic 275 (mono)
1 x Parasound Classic 2125 (stereo)
1 x Parasound Halo A23 (stereo)
1 x Odyssey Stratos (stereo)

Any thoughts or suggestions would be great!

I use Odyssey mono with Beethoven Grand and am very happy with the combination.
post #232 of 3008
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Originally Posted by orologio View Post

I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you. The plugs did not come with my Mahlers and neither sumiko mentioned anything. The mahlers actually have a switch in the back to increase/decrease the amount of bass. But the reason I am asking is that to me it appears that there is a reverse phase effect at the tuning port point (30hz) and that affects the subwoofer's integration if crossed that low while connected with a the REL's supplied speaker level.

I am fond of Vienna Acoustics Speakers very much.

Orologio:

See T-3G's post right after your last. I am glad that you like your Vienna's. I know the feeling. I demo'd lots of speakers but the Vienna's were beyond my price point. But, in the end, I could not find a speaker which connected with me as much as the Mozart's and the Maestro--so I bit the bullet. And not only have I had no regrets, it seems that the speakers get better and better over time--like a fine wine.

I have never heard the Mahler's but I know they are above the Grand line so it would be nice to hear them one day.

Ese'
post #233 of 3008
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Originally Posted by Ese View Post

T-3G:

Have you decided on the Hadyn Grands vs. Waltz Grands yet?

Hi Ese,

No, I have not decided yet. I will visit the local Magnolia and listen to both before I commit. It will probably be August-ish (when I get paid bonus ).
post #234 of 3008
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Originally Posted by Ese View Post

Orologio:

See T-3G's post right after your last. I am glad that you like your Vienna's. I know the feeling. I demo'd lots of speakers but the Vienna's were beyond my price point. But, in the end, I could not find a speaker which connected with me as much as the Mozart's and the Maestro--so I bit the bullet. And not only have I had no regrets, it seems that the speakers get better and better over time--like a fine wine.

I have never heard the Mahler's but I know they are above the Grand line so it would be nice to hear them one day.

Ese'

yes I did and I appreciated it, thank you. My original concerns where about plugging the ports on the mahlers, or any speakers for that matter. Does a speaker need to be designed on purpose in order to be port-plugged? I think the Mozart and mahlers have different drivers and configuration and that worries me that the plugs could damage them.thanks again.
post #235 of 3008
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Originally Posted by T-3G View Post

Hi Ese,

No, I have not decided yet. I will visit the local Magnolia and listen to both before I commit. It will probably be August-ish (when I get paid bonus ).

T-3G:

If by chance you are located near North San Diego County, CA, I can recommend another dealer you may also want to consider during your purchase period.

Ese'
post #236 of 3008
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Originally Posted by Ese View Post

T-3G:

If by chance you are located near North San Diego County, CA, I can recommend another dealer you may also want to consider during your purchase period.

Ese'

I live in Washington state... but thanks for the kind offer. I can't wait 'till the bonus
post #237 of 3008
It is sad that there is no talk about the schonberg line up! I feel that the shcoenberg is the most versatile speaker, I have heard to date! I work in Magnolia selling this stuff...

When I came time for me to purchase my Own speakers I demoed every speaker in that room over and over again... tried every amp.... I decided that I would go with klipsch for my HT room. But I needed a music speaker! I decided on the Deff tech 2002. When I went in the back to check inventory I stumbled across some "weird looking" speakers. Come to find out they were the VA Shonberg's and a Subson sub! Well I carried them over to the Demo room set them up and it was pure bliss for movies and music all music. They have so much depth to them (musically speaking).
There dynamics are unheard of...I should mention I use mine on a Pioneer elite VSX-92THX receiver, They are also 6 ohm not 4 ohm! So I say if you want the best of both worlds this speaker is it! It also servers as art when you wall mount them and they sound better as well! I know that this is not the section for subs but the subson is unreal is extremely responsive and will get very low in the hrtz. You can tell it is made for music. I am very happy with my choice of speakers! i have a large collection of High end speakers but these are my most prized. Not to mention I got all 3 speakers for 1100 bucks!!!

If anyone else enjoys there's please post and tell these guys what they are missing.
post #238 of 3008
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Originally Posted by FC_Bryan View Post

It is sad that there is no talk about the Berg line up!

I've always wondered about this line up. I've always assumed that this series lacks bass since they're so thin. Is Subson almost an obligatory purchase if you want full spectrum sound?
post #239 of 3008
I believe the subson to be a very poor subwoofer for its asking price. You are much better off IMO spending 1/3 or more less on a REL and getting a much better music and HT unit.
post #240 of 3008
No! I thought the same thing about the bass when I saw them...when you put them up to a wall or wall mount them the bass is unreal on them! When I listen to rock on them I turn the sub off.... It is only on during parties and movies (btw watched the new rambo movie last night! SICK!!) Anyways the sub is like wine! when I got it I thought I made a mistake but after a few movies you see what this sub is about. It is about true sound reproduction not just bass...in other words watch gone is 60 seconds with it and listen to the exhaust notes for reference!!! I am not a VA fanatic I don't even like the rest of the line up...(Except the haydens for BS speakers they are awsome!) But to me the shoenburg line up is one of the best I have ever heard hands down! My store just started selling them again in piano black I get 60% off so I am going to pick up a few weberns and mounts to coplete the set up! Yes I am replaceing my klipsch HT set up with these.
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