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post #2551 of 3008
Hi Gprace,

Thank you. I'm glad you had a great experience with Stu and Bruce at Audio Breakthoughs.

No- there is really no end to the obsession as I learned a few weeks back at CES. I should not have been stunned to learn that there are very audible differences between ripping programs. Oh well!

Good listening,

Patrick


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Originally Posted by gprace View Post

Hi Patrick,
Ordered My Mozart Grand SE speakers (my post #2524) from Audio Exchange in Manhassett, NY. Stu and Bruce were very helpful with auditions, etc. Expect to see the Mozarts this week. Thanks for your tip on using my Bachs as rears. By the way, I usually use an Escient Fireball E2 100, with all music recorded in FLAC, as my source, but after hearing the Mozarts with a good CD player, I purchased a new CD player that they used to audition the speakers. I guess there is no end to this obsession.
post #2552 of 3008
Hi Erniec,

I loved the original Beethoven, aka Beethoven Classic. Not the last word in clarity, but eminently musical.

Beethoven Concert Grand is far clearer in precisely the place where the original Beethoven was not, with faster, more dynamic and better integrated bass. Huge improvement.

Best,

Patrick
Vienna Acoustics- North America


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Originally Posted by erniec View Post

I have a five channel setup that includes the Beethovens, Maestro, and Haydens. I listen primarily to two channel music, and I am considering selling my original Beethovens and getting a pair of the Beethoven Concert Grands. I really like the VA sound but for music I would like something a little less rich and warm, with a more energetictic upper midrange presentation

Does anyone know what the significant sonic differences are between the original and the Concert Grand series?

Thanks
post #2553 of 3008
Thanks Patrick,

From your description the the BCG's offer the type of incremental improvement, I am looking for.
If anyone is interested a very nice pair of Beethoven Classics with custom made Sound Anchor stands will be available on Audiogon.
post #2554 of 3008
Was lucky to get a vienna haydn Grand for 500$ a pair...

Looking to sell the white Waltz Grand..anyone interested let me know...


V
post #2555 of 3008
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Originally Posted by indianguyinny24 View Post

Was lucky to get a vienna haydn Grand for 500$ a pair...

Looking to sell the white Waltz Grand..anyone interested let me know...


V

i am running this with

PC -> Peachtree Decco 2(DAC) or Music Hall 25.3 (DAC)->Marantz Ma500 mono amplifier(2X) ->Vienna acoustics Haydn...

Any other recomendation???

V
post #2556 of 3008
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Originally Posted by Patrick Butler View Post

Hi Claus,

Yes. There will be a matching center for Beethoven Imperial Grand. When? Don't know, but will have more information as we get closer to the summer months.

Best,

Patrick
Vienna Acoustics- North America

Ok thanks for the info. It's in my price range although I'd prefer a Klimt series setup:=)
post #2557 of 3008
Regarding the new beethoven imperial grand look, I'm very glad that they've kept the look similar to its previous versions. I love how they look!
post #2558 of 3008
The VA's I have heard do a great job with music. Are they as good of a choice for mostly home theater duties? I am looking at the In-Waltz. I tend to like to crank it up a bit.
post #2559 of 3008
Hi Avtexan,

In general I've found that speakers that sound great for music work great for theater, just so long as they play loud enough and are dynamic enough. We can do both for most listeners.

In-Waltz can play loud, in part because the bass extension of the design is limited by the cabinet volume. Dynamics are great, as is clarity.

Best,

Patrick


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Originally Posted by avtexan View Post

The VA's I have heard do a great job with music. Are they as good of a choice for mostly home theater duties? I am looking at the In-Waltz. I tend to like to crank it up a bit.
post #2560 of 3008
Patrick,

Between Haydn and Waltz which one you will recomend for stereo listening....also what are the matching stand for the haydn if you can point me in that direction.


V
post #2561 of 3008
Hi Indianguyinny24,

Haydn. Definitely Haydn. Unless of course you have to mount them to a wall, and then Waltz- definitely Waltz.

As far as a stand goes, something about 27-28" tall.

Best wishes,

Patrick
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Originally Posted by indianguyinny24 View Post

Patrick,

Between Haydn and Waltz which one you will recomend for stereo listening....also what are the matching stand for the haydn if you can point me in that direction.


V
post #2562 of 3008
HI all,

Can someone explain to me difference between Vienna acoustics Maestro and Maestro Grand difference...

I need a new center channel for my HT...and i want to stay with Vienna...and i am getting some good deal on Vienna Maestro...how would they sound with Vienna Acoustics Haydn Grand

V
post #2563 of 3008
Hi,

The Maestro used a different tweeter, different mid-bass drivers and a smaller cabinet. The Maestro Grand uses the same tweeter in the Mozart Grand Symphony Edition and 2 of our Spider Cone mid bass drivers instead of our older XPP drivers. A larger cabinet allows the Maestro Grand lower bass extension and greater overall macro dynamics.

Best wishes,

Patrick
Vienna Acoustics- North America

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Originally Posted by indianguyinny24 View Post

HI all,

Can someone explain to me difference between Vienna acoustics Maestro and Maestro Grand difference...

I need a new center channel for my HT...and i want to stay with Vienna...and i am getting some good deal on Vienna Maestro...how would they sound with Vienna Acoustics Haydn Grand

V
post #2564 of 3008
Hola from the great island state of Georgia. Well, it's on an island. A really big one I guess. To the point, and I apologize if I am in any way hijacking this thread, but I have a Maestro center channel, not a Grand, that has a blown out tweeter. When I say blown out, I mean literally blown out, hanging out the front of the enclosure. I'm having a difficult time finding a replacement tweeter and am getting desperate, as I am about to leave my B&K avr 507 for something new fangled (w hdmi switching, etc) and want my surround sound ready for the change. Where do I go about finding a tweeter for this work of art? I have high frequency hearing loss, and have considered moving to a brighter type speaker, but I think with the reciever change I will have the brighter sound I'm looking for. A mouthful I know, I appreciate any suggestions. I love my Mozarts and Haydns. A beautiful sounding setup, especially when all the tweeters work.


Thank you!
post #2565 of 3008
Hi Robby,

You can either drop us a line at service@vienna-acoustics.com, or call us on our main line at 425-374-4015, and we will be glad to help.

Best wishes,

Patrick Butler
Vienna Acoustics- North America

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Originally Posted by Robby Cee View Post

Hola from the great island state of Georgia. Well, it's on an island. A really big one I guess. To the point, and I apologize if I am in any way hijacking this thread, but I have a Maestro center channel, not a Grand, that has a blown out tweeter. When I say blown out, I mean literally blown out, hanging out the front of the enclosure. I'm having a difficult time finding a replacement tweeter and am getting desperate, as I am about to leave my B&K avr 507 for something new fangled (w hdmi switching, etc) and want my surround sound ready for the change. Where do I go about finding a tweeter for this work of art? I have high frequency hearing loss, and have considered moving to a brighter type speaker, but I think with the reciever change I will have the brighter sound I'm looking for. A mouthful I know, I appreciate any suggestions. I love my Mozarts and Haydns. A beautiful sounding setup, especially when all the tweeters work.


Thank you!
post #2566 of 3008
I recently got a decent deal on some used Levinson No. 336 stereo amplifiers (three pairs), which I'm now using to drive a Home theater/multichannel audio setup using two (2) pairs of "original" Vienna Acoustics Mahlers and an Oratorio center speaker. These Levinsons provide much better bass control than what I was using previously (mismatched Classe amps) which make these a better match for the HT application. The jury is still out on "musicality" for stereo/MC music; the bass control was 2D4 (better than Classe CA-400) but first impression was the treble seemed a bit "recessed" and not quite as "sweet sounding".

It's been a few years since I last checked on Vienna Acoustics; especially since my Mahlers went out of production. I have noticed there is (was?) a VA Mahler V1.5 which came out a couple of years ago and wonder if this is still in production ? Also, what are the differences between the "original" Mahlers and V1.5 ? Is there a worthwhile and practical "upgrade" path to get from the original version to the latest version ?

And how might I go about getting the speaker serviced in the event of driver/crossover "failures" (re: I have my suspicions) ? It might be more practical for me to arrange my own repairs but then I'd need service manuals or equivalent. Do such exist ?

Any help would be appreciated.
post #2567 of 3008
Hi,

Mahler v1.5 is still in production, although the Oratorio is not. Service is readily available should you have any issues. The difference between the original Mahler and Mahler v1.5 is the tweeter. The drive unit that we used to purchase from ScanSpeak went out of production, which necessitated us changing and upgrading the tweeter with a newer driver from the same source. There is an upgrade kit available for $750 plus labor that will bring your Mahler up to date. Feel free to contact me if you have any further questions.

Best wishes,

Patrick Butler
Vienna Acoustics- North America



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Originally Posted by oscar_in_fw View Post

I recently got a decent deal on some used Levinson No. 336 stereo amplifiers (three pairs), which I'm now using to drive a Home theater/multichannel audio setup using two (2) pairs of "original" Vienna Acoustics Mahlers and an Oratorio center speaker. These Levinsons provide much better bass control than what I was using previously (mismatched Classe amps) which make these a better match for the HT application. The jury is still out on "musicality" for stereo/MC music; the bass control was 2D4 (better than Classe CA-400) but first impression was the treble seemed a bit "recessed" and not quite as "sweet sounding".

It's been a few years since I last checked on Vienna Acoustics; especially since my Mahlers went out of production. I have noticed there is (was?) a VA Mahler V1.5 which came out a couple of years ago and wonder if this is still in production ? Also, what are the differences between the "original" Mahlers and V1.5 ? Is there a worthwhile and practical "upgrade" path to get from the original version to the latest version ?

And how might I go about getting the speaker serviced in the event of driver/crossover "failures" (re: I have my suspicions) ? It might be more practical for me to arrange my own repairs but then I'd need service manuals or equivalent. Do such exist ?

Any help would be appreciated.
post #2568 of 3008
Just purchased Vienna Acoustics Beethoven Classic. I'm replacing my B&W 605 S2 with them. Wow! what a difference! I listen to jazz a lot lately. With the speakers I feel that the music just wraps me in a warm blanket and caresses me. I'm in Love! Even my daughter, who was completely indifferent to my previous speakers, came in the room looked at the speakers and started to pet them . She said that they are gorgeous - I tend to agree with her.

Just wanted to share my experience!
post #2569 of 3008
Quote:
Originally Posted by oscar_in_fw View Post

It's been a few years since I last checked on Vienna Acoustics; especially since my Mahlers went out of production. I have noticed there is (was?) a VA Mahler V1.5 which came out a couple of years ago and wonder if this is still in production ? Also, what are the differences between the "original" Mahlers and V1.5 ? Is there a worthwhile and practical "upgrade" path to get from the original version to the latest version ?

I used to own a pair of the original Mahler speakers. I had it upgraded to the v.1.5. I was really satisfied with the upgrade. The tweeter was considered to be the weakest link on the original Mahler and with the upgrade it is better, and more on par with the rest of the speaker. In my mind, the Mahler v.1.5 is really a high end bargain.
post #2570 of 3008
Hi Nick,

Glad to hear that you are having a great time with your purchase. Enjoy!

Best,

Patrick
Vienna Acoustics- North America

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Originally Posted by nick-seattle View Post

Just purchased Vienna Acoustics Beethoven Classic. I'm replacing my B&W 605 S2 with them. Wow! what a difference! I listen to jazz a lot lately. With the speakers I feel that the music just wraps me in a warm blanket and caresses me. I'm in Love! Even my daughter, who was completely indifferent to my previous speakers, came in the room looked at the speakers and started to pet them . She said that they are gorgeous - I tend to agree with her.

Just wanted to share my experience!
post #2571 of 3008
Hello,

I am looking for a Maestro Grand center in cherry to match my Beethoven Grands. If anyone has one to sell please send me a message.

Thanks.

Stephen
post #2572 of 3008
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Originally Posted by sqa4life View Post

Anyone interested in buying a Cherry Maestro center speaker? in 8/10 condition, there is a small scratch on the side, near the back. Otherwise, in excellent working condition. This is the classic Maestro.

Will send pictures via PM. Give me an offer.

Do you still have this Cherry Maestro center available?

S
post #2573 of 3008
Hello.
I have an Arcam Fmj A38 100w/ch integrated as well as the Arcam Fmj Cd17 cd player.I am planning on buying a Rel R328 subwoofer to upgrade the Monitor Audio FB110 that I have.
I am in the process of scouting for a new speaker for my 2.1 system and have narrowed it down to a few contenders.The Mozart Grands are at the top of my list.
Will my Arcam gear run these speakers well enough to show me what they are capable of?Would the Baby Grands be okay or would the Mozarts be a better match?
post #2574 of 3008
Need Your guy's help.

I recently inherited a pair of Beethoven Mains. (Not the mini's). In addition to the speakers, I put in a dedicated amp. (Emotiva XPA-5).

My problem is this:

There is a very distinct emphasis on the high end that is difficult to listen to. It's a trebbley sound that I hear on vocals. I don't know where this is coming from. Unfortunately I didn't have the time to do REW sweeps, but wondering where the issue might be. The speakers are towed in to the main listening postion. Over several hours, hifisponge and I tried several different things. We

-swapped media sources (CD/streaming/PS3/360 etc)
-took power amp completely out of the equation and used receiver
- Used manual Equlization and trimmed upper range. (helped very slightly)

But the issue appears to present itself in the higher end of the spetrum. My room is treated at the high end reflection points, so I don't see the issue being the room. Given that these speakers are known be be a little laid back,. I'm wondering why I'm getting emphasis on the highs.

What do you guys reccomend?
post #2575 of 3008
Take a look at the review in Stereophile. While the integrated room response isn't bad, the on-axis response is far from flat, and it gets a lot worse if you're above the tweeter. While many people report it as laid-back (probably because of the valley centered at 3K), the curves can also be interpreted as a peak around 10K. I didn't find my Haydn (which has a similar response) weak in treble.

Indeed you might get better results by a slight backward tilt, so that you're effectively sitting below the tweeter.

My only personal experience is with the Haydn. It used to be the primary speaker in my work area, but has since been replaced. It has similar characteristics.
post #2576 of 3008
Hi Eiger,

I had a Vienna Acoustics owner recently comment to me that he tried an XPA-5 in his system and later returned it, finding the sound unlistenable in the fashion that you have indicated. I have no personal experience with Emotiva products, and in fact there are people who are perfectly happy with their products and ours. However, you may not be one of them. I've found that some people make the mistake of using no toe-in with our products, which I would advise against. Roughly 20% toe in should do it.

Best,

Patrick
Vienna Acoustics- North America

Quote:
Originally Posted by eiger View Post

Need Your guy's help.

I recently inherited a pair of Beethoven Mains. (Not the mini's). In addition to the speakers, I put in a dedicated amp. (Emotiva XPA-5).

My problem is this:

There is a very distinct emphasis on the high end that is difficult to listen to. It's a trebbley sound that I hear on vocals. I don't know where this is coming from. Unfortunately I didn't have the time to do REW sweeps, but wondering where the issue might be. The speakers are towed in to the main listening postion. Over several hours, hifisponge and I tried several different things. We

-swapped media sources (CD/streaming/PS3/360 etc)
-took power amp completely out of the equation and used receiver
- Used manual Equlization and trimmed upper range. (helped very slightly)

But the issue appears to present itself in the higher end of the spetrum. My room is treated at the high end reflection points, so I don't see the issue being the room. Given that these speakers are known be be a little laid back,. I'm wondering why I'm getting emphasis on the highs.

What do you guys reccomend?
post #2577 of 3008
Hi Hedrick,

You are correct that the listening axis is between the tweeter and the mid-range (as you'd expect with a shallow slope), and that a little rake is useful in bring the listening axis up (or down) to the listener. Quasi-anechoic measurements taken at 55" or 36" are necessary to window out the contribution of a room, but are less useful when listeners are placed 6 ft or more from a given loudspeaker. We measure everything distances which are more representative of how people actually use speakers in most living spaces.

Cheers,

Patrick
Vienna Acoustics- North America

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Originally Posted by hedrick View Post

Take a look at the review in Stereophile. While the integrated room response isn't bad, the on-axis response is far from flat, and it gets a lot worse if you're above the tweeter. While many people report it as laid-back (probably because of the valley centered at 3K), the curves can also be interpreted as a peak around 10K. I didn't find my Haydn (which has a similar response) weak in treble.

Indeed you might get better results by a slight backward tilt, so that you're effectively sitting below the tweeter.

My only personal experience is with the Haydn. It used to be the primary speaker in my work area, but has since been replaced. It has similar characteristics.
post #2578 of 3008
What is a toe-in?

Thanks.

S
post #2579 of 3008
Well, here an interesting thing. I discovered that my newly purchased Vienna's have fake speakers in them. Discovered because one of tweeters was not working well, so I got a replacement from Vienna North America. I got two to make sure that they match. Now my bass, I checked its From Vienna, is original, tweeter is original and mids are not.

Mids have been replaced by the following speakers:
http://www.speakercity.com/Merchant2...ode=GoldwoodWf

At $11 a driver!!!

So I decided to try original speakers from my Theatro in place of the fake once. I replaced two mids in my Bethovens with originals. Lo and behold... in a blind test my wife and kinds liked the cheaper drivers!!! They said that with original drivers, Vienna's should too much like B&W, which they like, but not for vocal jazz. I have my Vienna's pared with a tube amp and the sound is just heavenly (even with fake speakers)!!!

So there you go.
post #2580 of 3008
Hi Nick,

Where did you purchase new Vienna Acoustics loudspeakers where the original drivers had been replaced by "fake" drivers, or were these new speakers for you, but purchased on the used marketplace?

Best wishes,

Patrick
Vienna Acoustics- North America

Quote:
Originally Posted by nick-seattle View Post

Well, here an interesting thing. I discovered that my newly purchased Vienna's have fake speakers in them. Discovered because one of tweeters was not working well, so I got a replacement from Vienna North America. I got two to make sure that they match. Now my bass, I checked its From Vienna, is original, tweeter is original and mids are not.

Mids have been replaced by the following speakers:
http://www.speakercity.com/Merchant2...ode=GoldwoodWf

At $11 a driver!!!

So I decided to try original speakers from my Theatro in place of the fake once. I replaced two mids in my Bethovens with originals. Lo and behold... in a blind test my wife and kinds liked the cheaper drivers!!! They said that with original drivers, Vienna's should too much like B&W, which they like, but not for vocal jazz. I have my Vienna's pared with a tube amp and the sound is just heavenly (even with fake speakers)!!!

So there you go.
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