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post #2881 of 3009
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Originally Posted by vibrolux View Post

Any ideas where to purchase replacement drivers?

Thanks again

I've been asking Vienna Acoustics for a while about replacement woofers for my old Beethovens. So I've already thrown in an email to them for you, asking if they can replace woofers from the original Haydn, and if so, at what cost. I'll let you know what I hear.
Meanwhile, have you unscrewed those puppies to see if they are connected ? It would be surprising if they got unhooked in shipping, but you never know.
-Hukk
post #2882 of 3009
OK, new "original Haydn" woofers are $95 each. The contact is:

John Song
Vienna Acoustics North America
728 3rd St Unit C
Mukilteo WA 98275
Jsong@vanaltd.com

But promise me you will unscrew those woofers and check yourself before you do anything else!

Cheers,
Hukk
post #2883 of 3009
Hey guys - new here - first post.

I got into audio about a year ago. It's turned into quite the addiction.

My current setups:

Home:

Speakers: Vienna Acoustics The Kiss / Waltz Grand Center and Rears
Subwoofer: REL 528
Amplifiers: Pass Labs XA30.5 / Antique Sound Labs Hurricane DT
Preamp / Dac: Wyred 4 Sound Dac2 / DSPeaker Dual Core Room Correction
Cables: Coincident Tech CST 1 / Transparent Audio / Better Cables / Audioquest / PS Audio PCs
Theater: Onkyo TNX809, Oppo 93
Power Filter: APC H15
Sonos Network: 2X Play5 / 2x Connect / Connect:AMP / Sonos Control Remote
Source: Mac Mini / WD RAID 2TB NAS
TV: Pioneer 60" Plasma

Office:

Speakers: Sonus Faber Concertino Home
Subwoofer: REL T2
Amplifiers: Parasound A21 / Yaqin 100B Tube KT88
Preamp / Dac: Cary Audio SLP 308 - modified / Wyred 4 Sound uDAC
Cables: Coincident Tech CST 1 / Transparent Audio / Kimber Cables / Audioquest / PS Audio
Power Filter: APC H10
Sonos Network: 3X Play5 / Connect / Bridge
Source: Media PC with ASync USB / Apple TV
TV: Samsung 55" LED
post #2884 of 3009
^ Welcome aboard, and nice gear list. And yes you are correct, audio is quite an addiction. My friend had the Concertinos before getting the Viennas, how do you like them compared to your Vienna Kiss?
post #2885 of 3009
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Originally Posted by SergeantYnot View Post

I would definitely recommend a pre/pro with Ausyssey XT32 at the bare minimum. I believe the Marantz you're looking at has that, so you should be set.

So the speakers have arrived!! I need to act fast on electronics.eek.gif

How about:
Denon X4000 (has multiEQ XT32) - use as pre/pro and amp for surrounds
and Emotiva XPA 100 x3 - for mains
post #2886 of 3009
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Originally Posted by Saril View Post

So the speakers have arrived!! I need to act fast on electronics.eek.gif

How about:
Denon X4000 (has multiEQ XT32) - use as pre/pro and amp for surrounds
and Emotiva XPA 100 x3 - for mains


I would actually recommend the XPA-2 for your Mozarts. Either amp will be sufficient to drive your speakers beautifully!

I have been reading about the X4000, it appears to have some fine specs. Besides the 32bit DACs of the 4520, I'm not too sure the differences are vast.
post #2887 of 3009
I've been agonizing for months over whether or not to get a sub to enhance my Mozarts.Ordered a Rel R-328 and will have it in 2 weeks.
I am pumped!!Rel's a good match for Vienna's.
post #2888 of 3009
New integrated amp in my system.
Audionet SAM G2, works really good with my Mozart SEs!

post #2889 of 3009
I have new Bach grands and just inserted my Sewell banana plugs in the rear of the speakers. The plugs don't insert all the way but stick out a bit. They seem inserted firmly. Is this normal?
post #2890 of 3009
Yes, its normal. I have Bach Grands too and use banana plugs similar to the Sewell deadbolt variety and the same thing happens - they do not insert all the way but do firmly seat into the binding post. No problem. My VA's sound wonderful.

Congrats a new pair of very fine speakers!
post #2891 of 3009
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Originally Posted by Azad Baban View Post

The sticker on the woofer fell off frown.gif but i figured I would post this as eye candy....I know there's people here that cherish these speakers just like I do




Did you get this problem resolved? I'm surprised at the sticker name. I hope you get your woofer replaced.
post #2892 of 3009
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Originally Posted by RoDa View Post

New integrated amp in my system.
Audionet SAM G2, works really good with my Mozart SEs!


Another great RoDa picture! Grats on the new hardware!

My BBGs have arrived and are waiting to be hooked up. First I need to add some "RoDa" inspired effects....


Next - I need to reread Paraneer's & SergeantYnot's posts on amps...
Again, this forum is a great arsenal of information - thanks all.biggrin.gif
post #2893 of 3009
Newbie here to the VA fold! In fact, this was a surprise to me as i was not in the market for anything new. Fact is, been trying to decide btwn a pair of Naims and Sonabs I have for use in my computer room. I have tried KEF, Mission, ACI, GResearch, Green Mountain, Tannoy, Rega, Yamaha, Polk, JPW, B&W and a few others i am sure i have forgotten. The Naims sound very good in my room and then picked up a pair of Sonab's for a great price and while the sound is of course very much different then the Naims i also like them alot. Chanced upon a pair of the Bach's at a thrit for $30 pr biggrin.gif:eek: and couldn't resist. The don't have spikes so hard to tilt but i undertstand from all i have read to try and tilt them back a bit. Also, please give any tips you can on placement as far as back and side walls. I don't have alot of options as the room is small and it has to share space with my 2,500 cd's, 2,500+ lp's, 300+ books, the audio rack and computer blah blah blah. So a heads-up on possible good placement ideas would do me a huge favor;)

Thanks!
post #2894 of 3009
Decided to forge forward on my own and try them out. Used some good heavy duty rubber bottle caps in lieu of spikes and gadzooks do they sound good!eek.gif Afraid the Naims and Sonabs are going to be relegated elsewhere. The Bach's have a much fuller sound to them, more meat on the bones you might say and very smooth! Will try them out tomorrow w/o the bottlecaps in the rear to angle them upwards a bit as i read that they seem to like that.
post #2895 of 3009
No love or help with the Bach's??
post #2896 of 3009
Regarding the Bach placement you can google sumiko master placement for detailed instructions but generally you will want to stay at least a foot from the walls--side and back, triangulating the speakers equilaterally between themselves and the listener. I have no idea about spike substitution and tilting. If all is working properly congrats on a fantastic deal! smile.gif
post #2897 of 3009
I joined the VA club yesterday. I got the VA Haydns Special Editions and so far they've been playing very nicely. Using a Parasound A52 to drive them.

I compared them against some Sonus Faber Liuto Monitors and loved the additional detail provided by the Haydns. The walnut finish and cabinetry is just plain beautiful.
post #2898 of 3009
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Originally Posted by artur9 View Post

I joined the VA club yesterday. I got the VA Haydns Special Editions and so far they've been playing very nicely. Using a Parasound A52 to drive them.

I compared them against some Sonus Faber Liuto Monitors and loved the additional detail provided by the Haydns. The walnut finish and cabinetry is just plain beautiful.

Congrats...I'm sure they sound as good as they look. How do you like the A52? I'm currently using a low-end Emotiva to power my Schonbergs, but I'm really considering upgrading to the Halo line in the near future.
post #2899 of 3009
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Originally Posted by SLCentral View Post

Congrats...I'm sure they sound as good as they look. How do you like the A52? I'm currently using a low-end Emotiva to power my Schonbergs, but I'm really considering upgrading to the Halo line in the near future.

I am really impressed by the A52 (btw, there's someone selling one on the parasound thread, if you're interested). I stepped up from a low end Yamaha and the additional richness is nice. Using the old chestnut, even my wife commented on how much fuller things sounded when I put it in. The main reason I got it, though, was because I wanted to never have to buy another amp ever. The power of it is enough for me, and the feature set is minimal, which I prefer. But not having to worry when considering a 4Ohm speaker or anything else is nice.

Now, the Haydns really benefit from all that. Cellos and pianos sound amazing. For vocals, it's almost like I was hearing tenors when I should have been hearing baritones.
Edited by artur9 - 7/26/13 at 7:43pm
post #2900 of 3009
If anyone in the Boston area is looking for a Webern and a pair of Schonberg's, I'm thinking of upgrading. Feel free to get in touch directly via PM.
post #2901 of 3009
I have Theatro center channel trying to sell it for 250.00 in the Maryland area
post #2902 of 3009
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Edited by artur9 - 8/7/13 at 7:22am
post #2903 of 3009
Hi

I am seriously considering buying the KISS speakers, but with a little more money, I could get something like Wilson Audio Sophia or Focal Utopia Diablo. Have anyone able to audit the other speakers and compare to the KISS ? Not sure if anyone currently using the KISS, is it very difficult to set it up and sound right ?

thanks much!
post #2904 of 3009
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Originally Posted by Patrick Butler View Post

I'm happy to answer whatever questions you have, and really enjoy the opportunity to be useful.


I would go with Haydn Grand SE over a Waltz Grand for a center. Dialog will be more intelligible, and in general Haydn will win in every way except spl. You can also use a pair of Haydn Grand SE in mono as a center. You would obviously need two amplifier channels to do this, and setup is a little bit more
I am curious as to exactly how this dual Haydn center setup would be done. Any details on it?
post #2905 of 3009
Don't know anything about this site but they do list an Oratorio for sale for those interested in that.

Anyone have experience with SoundOffers?
post #2906 of 3009
I've been looking for a sound system for my new house. I came across a used Vienna Acoustics set, but the speakers seem older. Don't know the exact age yet

It's comprised of a pair of Bach series speakers (fronts), a pair of Waltz (rears), and a single Theatro as the center. Asking about $900 for these. Looking at current prices, this set would run about $4000 total.

Is this a good buy or should I steer clear? I have some concerns about replacement parts because it's an older system.

Also, as far as sound quality is concerned, would I be better off spending a bit more and getting a new Sonos system or will these outperform it despite being older?
post #2907 of 3009
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Originally Posted by Bassketballer View Post

Also, as far as sound quality is concerned, would I be better off spending a bit more and getting a new Sonos system or will these outperform it despite being older?

I have Sonos controllers and a single Play3. The play3 is not even on the same continent in terms of quality of sound as my pair of Haydns. The Haydns absolutely crush them in every possible dimension except in ease of queuing up songs. I don't believe even an older Vienna Acoustics system would be bettered by any of the Play3, Play5 or Playbar.
post #2908 of 3009
My pre-pro needed to be repaired and the dealer I bought my Haydns from lent me a few obsolete pre-pros to see if I was interested in any of them as a replacement. (Very nice of him).

They are the Bryston SP1, Lexicon MC-12 and a Primare 31.7. Note that these pre-pros are defective in various ways so it may be that my experience isn't representative. In all cases, I use a Parasound A-52 to drive the Haydns as part of my 5.1 system. For the comparisons I did not use the subwoofer I have, an Outlaw Audio M8.

In any case it was illuminating to hear these in conjunction with my Haydns. I know people ask about pairing various electronics with Vienna Acoustics and I got to hear several back to back in my home. For those not interested in the details of the comparison, I've wrapped them in a spoiler tag below.

But to bring this back to the Haydns. For the really detailed listening, I would sit nearfield, maybe 5 ft away in an isoceles triangle. And the Haydns could show me the differences between these pre-pros in a really palpable way. I was amazed at the ability of the Haydns to play what the pre pros were exposing.

Personally, I didn't think the electronics would sound as different as they did. I expected them all to be far above the level of the Haydns and so differences would be masked. After all, the Haydns are about the entry level VA speakers. But they really showed what the electronics were capable of. Makes me wish I had the space for a Mozart or Beethoven so I could hear even more detail.

So, if someone were to ask me what electronics to pair with VA, I would say don't skimp. Some speakers cannot use all the details provided by your electronics but at least my Haydns can.
Warning: Self Indulent! (Click to show)
To do my comparisons my source was always a Schit Bifrost fed from a Sonos controller via coax. Sometimes, since it's a 5.1 system, I also used TV and BluRays. I don't play surround music, classical mostly, some jazz and pop.

My broken pre-pro is an Aragon Stage One. Sounds nice, is detailed and rich. The Bifrost is definitely a better DAC than the old ones in the Aragon. It's my baseline and gave a more detailed and fuller sound than the Yamaha RX-v373 the Aragon/Parasound combo replaced.

I started with the Primare. The ergonomics of it are very nice, just 2 knobs and 4 buttons. The first thing I noticed was that its noise floor was subterranean compared to the Aragon. That really made the details of music much clearer. The highs sounded higher and the lows a bit more textured. It could also play louder without any sense of graininess. Overall, it was a really good pairing with the Haydns.

Then I tried the Lexicon. I didn't really notice any sonic differences between it and the Primare, maybe a hint more noise in it. But it has so many options I'm certain I didn't use it to its potential. I mean, it has Dolby with Logic7 in Cinema or Music or.... The options detailed in the manual are dizzying. It was definitely the most flexible of the pre pros. It's old but it still has 2 sub outs plus an LFE and 2 Aux speaker outputs for up to a 11.3 system. Were I more of a tweaker the Lexicon would keep me busy for months. But, as I said, no noticeable audible differences between it and the Primare.

Then I tried the Bryston. I heard a noticeable difference right away. Voices were clearer than any of the other systems. There was more sense of space when playing music. The soundstage may have been more etched. Frankly, I couldn't believe the difference it was making. Then I tried its DAC and they were at least the equal of the Bifrost. Mind you, this is an 11 year-old pre pro vs a 1 month old DAC. Now, I really want an SP3.

As I said, these systems were all flawed/defective. The Primare is running some version of its firmware that doesn't match any of the manuals I've been able to find. The Lexicon's fluorescent display doesn't work very well anymore so it's hard to tell what it's doing. The SP1 may or may not have enough connections but it has problems with newer disks. When I played V for Vendetta through the BluRay the dialog was inaudible (I have had this problem before with this disk with other pre-pros as well).
post #2909 of 3009
For planning purposes...

If I'm not doing multichannel music where it's best to have all speakers the same.

For home theatre would it be better to get a purpose-built center, like the Theatro/Maestro, or would it be better to get another Haydn SE as the center?

I would think for voicing another Haydn would be best. I think the primary goal of centers is to fit in that space that people give them? But a regular speaker would sound better?
post #2910 of 3009
Hey folks. My roommate picked up a used 5 speaker set including two Bach floorstanders, a Theatro center, and two Waltz for the rear. What is a good avr/receiver to pair with these things? It would seem we need something that can handle 4 or 6 ohms. I'm trying to keep the budget for the unit under $800 which seems like more than enough to pick up a great refurbished unit off say A4L. Any tips on this situation?

Update: I can get a great deal on a Pioneer Elite SC-63 or a Marantz 6007. I will probably get both and see which one works better, then return the other one.
Edited by TheBucketOfTruth - 8/18/13 at 11:55am
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