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post #1 of 10
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Panasonic DVD recorder models have a Quick View function which allows viewing recorded programs at 1.3 x normal speed with normal sound. Microsoft also has a variable speed playback feature, with intelligible sound, in Media Player. I'm looking for this feature in currently available DVD recorders - other than Panasonic.

Question: Does any other hard drive DVD recorder have a similar feature?
post #2 of 10
Sylvania HDVR200F. Walmart. Less than $300 here in N.C. 160gb HDD, DVD and VHS. Can playback ANY DVD or any recording on the HDD at 1.5x with intelligiible sound. It is a tiny bit fast for my taste (1.3x is just right) but very understandable for the most part, and a nice add that I can use it with the HDD, unit recorded DVD, and DVDs recorded elsewhere.
post #3 of 10
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It is a tiny bit fast for my taste (1.3x is just right)...

You're right - 1.5x is a little bit fast - I had 1.5x on a Sony Betamax VCR. I'd much prefer 1.3x or 1.4x if there are any hard drive DVD recorders with it, other than Panasonic.
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Originally Posted by liberty View Post

You're right - 1.5x is a little bit fast - I had 1.5x on a Sony Betamax VCR. I'd much prefer 1.3x or 1.4x if there are any hard drive DVD recorders with it, other than Panasonic.

Just curious, if the Panny has the feature you are looking for, why are you looking for another brand?
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Originally Posted by vferrari View Post

Just curious, if the Panny has the feature you are looking for, why are you looking for another brand?

There are some features of the Panny that I'm not happy with - I currently own an E80H. More brand choices equals more options.
post #6 of 10
Not trying to pry - but the E80 is about five generations ago. For the sake of others here who might benefit from hearing about your Panny problems/features dislikes - perhaps you could shed some light on the features issues you had so others can learn or share knowledge on how Panny or other brands might have addressed the issues you experienced. Another point is that you might find another brand that has this particular feature but you will also experience other undesired warts that aren't present with the Panny. Just trying to make sure you aren't rejecting something without having all the facts. Also, while I like and own Panny recorders - I am not a Panny shill or anything, I've owned other DVD recorder brands beside Panny (e.g., JVC, Lite-on) and am familiar with the feature sets of other popular, well respected recorders such as the Pioneer 640. So this isn't about Panasonic brand loyalty or similar agenda. You can also tell me to go away and pound sand and I (hopefully) won't be too offended.
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Originally Posted by liberty View Post

Does any other hard drive DVD recorder have a similar feature?

The Pioneer hard drive models (if you can find one) allow for playing back at 1.5X the normal speed.
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I am not a Panny shill or anything...

Glad to hear it.

FOR INFORMATION ONLY: This is an early reveiw I wote in May 04:


My interest in the Panasonic E80 and E85 is mostly for VCR replacement, rather than as an editing deck, meaning I'm typically using the hard drive only. Currently, I use an old Sony Beta VCR (SL- HF900) and TiVo. My main reason for considering the two Panasonics is the Quick View function (X1.3), which would replace the worn out Sony, which has a X1.5 viewing speed.

I've been testing both the E80 and E85 and have found major shortcomings in both of them for VCR usage. Panasonic, and other companies, make a big mistake when functions are automated, without giving the user the option of changing or canceling the automation. Examples: 1) When returning to a recorded program saved in Direct Navigator, that was partially viewed, rather than beginning from the last point watched, the units return to the beginning of the program - it would be like having a VCR that rewinds the tape to the beginning every time the VCR was powered-up or a tape inserted. 2) When viewing in X1.3 mode, any action, such as using Pause, Fast Forward or CM, automatically resumes Play in standard play - meaning more button pushing to return to the viewing speed originally chosen - wasting time, while using X1.3 is supposedly to save time. These two items alone make for an annoying, constant button pushing/correcting viewing experience. While the E80 has a Memory Position and Marker function, these items mostly are useful if only one recording has been saved to Direct Navigator. Although the E80 Marker function has 999 positions, the positions are automatically identified with numbers only, which change if any previous marker (number) is deleted.

Also: The machines essentially lock up when in TV recording mode - simple functions can't be performed, so I usually switch to TiVo which doesn't share that shortcoming.

Positives about the units - for TV recording/playback:

1) Excellent picture - I'm using component out and LP recording speed
2) E85 TV Guide is much more useful than E80 manual scheduling,
although the E80 has the best manual scheduling interface I've used
3) E80 Time Slip function - quickly advances to a location by time

Suggestion: For the TV interface function, Panasonic should follow the TiVo example - I'm just referring to the basic playback functions of TiVo, not the programming capabilities, which is the costly, proprietary component of TiVo - or incorporate TiVo while RETAINING the X1.3 function.


Bottom Line: Since the Panasonics are the only DVD/PVR recorders with faster than normal playback speed I'll reluctantly be keeping the E80. I've returned the E85 and will be waiting for a user-friendlier interface or a combination DMR/TiVo unit.
post #9 of 10
Thanks for laying that out - hope I wasn't too annoying. I think the Pioneer 640 does playback the way you want it (vs. the Pannys) i.e. resume play feature - however, as Sean points out, quick view is 1.5x which may be too fast your liking as you indicated earlier. For what its worth, Panny has changed little in its newest units with respect to the playback quirks you mentioned, so you would not be any happier with the newer models with the exception that the units don't "lock up" in record mode unless you are trying to edit a program (for example, you can place chapter stops on any pre-recorded program or even the program that is recording during recording but you cannot split, shorten, title or commence dubbing during recording). Also, none of the "major" manufacturers have announced 2007 models (that now require digital tuners) with integrated HDD's. Good luck.
post #10 of 10
One thing I like about my Sylvania is that it remains in 1.5x mode even after using Commercial Skip/FF/Rew etc. unless/until I press the play button twice to restore normal speed play. I have a Panny ES10K (love it) but I agree it is a little annoying that you have to re-institute 1.3x playback after any other transport function is performed.
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