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In the midst of the previews last month was a pair of children, cgi, and a picture of Alice Liddell. Old Dogfood thinks to himself: "Self, it looks as if they've made a movie of Mimsy Were the Borogoves." And, sure enough, even in the credits of the preview was the title with its author, Lewis Padgett (a pseudonem of the great Henry Kuttner).

http://www.gwillick.com/Spacelight/kuttner.html

I was braced.

And now its here. Possessing a saddening 57% tomatometer rating, there were enough glowing recommendations to make me think a lot of people may have missed the point. The theater was a little triplex in a less trendy mall in South Orange County, but the Sunday afternoon show was acceptably attended by parents and children, especially little girls (there was one gaggle of eight or nine). The noise subsided once the movie got going, and children and adults both fell under its spell.

To say that it diverges from its source is to say 2001 diverges from The Sentinel. Mimsy Were the Borogoves is a small classic from the golden age of science fiction short stories, a period that also gave us Who Goes There? (The Thing) and Farewell to the Master (The Day the Earth Stood Still). But it essentially posits that "Jabberwocky" by Lewis Carroll, the poem in Through the Looking Glass, contains a code that the children in the short story come to decode, and what happens when they do.

The Last Mimzy expands this to encompass time travel, ecology and the environment, the need for action to avert coming disaster, and good old fashioned mysticism. I greatly enjoyed it, though the ending is a little bit of a disappointment, as if the buildup couldn't really be lived up to, in the manner of Apocalypse Now. It does owe a good deal to the structure of E.T.. and a good many reviewers diss it as "not understanding what made E.T. work", to name but one, but I don't know if the relative restraint of The Last Mimzy is a good alternative to Spielberg emotional manipulating.

And when all is said and done, it's just a sci-fi picture for kids. And as that I think it succeeds rather well. It might turn out to be a real sleeper success story, and we may all be seeing little Mimzy bunnies come Christmas.
post #2 of 27
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The Last Mimzy expands this to encompass time travel, ecology and the environment, the need for action to avert coming disaster, and good old fashioned mysticism.

So you're saying it's preachy self-aggrandizing anti-rational twaddle? Just trying to get some clarification here.
post #3 of 27
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So you're saying it's preachy self-aggrandizing anti-rational twaddle?

Yeah, sorta. But sci-fi just does that sometimes.
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So you're saying it's preachy self-aggrandizing anti-rational twaddle?

Yeah, sorta. But sci-fi just does that sometimes.

Oh absolutely. Well as long as it does it in an engaging way I'm there!
post #5 of 27
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And when all is said and done, it's just a sci-fi picture for kids.

Are you saying this isn't a scifi for adults (aka large kids)?
post #6 of 27
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Depends upon the large kid. I love a good film for children, and the best of these generally can be appreciated by all ages. I liked this one, and there seemed to be a fair amount of adult appreciation in the audience I saw it with. I think a lot of griping from the critics come from critics who may not necessarily be fans of sci-fi or children's films.
post #7 of 27
In that case, will check it out.
post #8 of 27
Mimsy Were The Borogoves is one of my favourite sci-fi short stories. While I knew this movie was based on this story, I knew very little else going in. As such, I was quite surprised to see so many little kids (under five) in attendance. While the main protagonists in the short story are a two year old and five year old, I've never even remotely considered this to be a kids' story. In fact, the ending of the original story is quite dark and nothing to which I would want to expose a five year old.

Which is my long way of saying that they've obviously changed the story extensively. While the gist is still there, the more complex non-Euclidean spatial concepts have been greatly stylized for simplicity. And they've obviously adapted the story for its target audience. The original premise has been transformed into a bit of advanced 'engineering' and the original dark ending has been greatly 'hollywoodized'. The movie's genetic purpose for the time machine(s) has been borrowed from UFO mythology and clumsily tacked on.

All that said, it's still a fun couple of hours. But I'm not sure I would totally classify this as a kids' movie -- might still be a little scary for smaller tykes.
post #9 of 27
You know, it's funny, I was thinking about how The Last Mimzy must be the absolute worst title for any work of fiction I've ever heard, but then comes the revelation that it's based on something called Mimzy Were the Borogroves. Wow. I mean really, wow.

This must bode well for the adaptation of the 1912 short story Doodlepuss Came the Noodlesmacker I've been planning to make into an $80 million sci-fi movie titled The Last Doodlepuss. You think it'll be a hit?
post #10 of 27
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... but then comes the revelation that it's based on something called Mimzy Were the Borogroves. Wow. I mean really, wow.

Your inner child needs to catch up on his reading

p.s. the spelling of the original is "All mimsy were the borogoves", correct spelling helps with searches even for "made-up" words:

http://www.jabberwocky.com/carroll/j...bberwocky.html
post #11 of 27
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Your inner child needs to catch up on his reading

p.s. the spelling of the original is "All mimsy were the borogoves", correct spelling helps with searches even for "made-up" words:

http://www.jabberwocky.com/carroll/j...bberwocky.html

Well, I stand corrected. Mimsy Were the Borogroves is clearly a much better title.
post #12 of 27
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Well, I stand corrected. Mimsy Were the Borogroves is clearly a much better title.

Still wrong -- only one 'r' in Borogoves.

There, now isn't that MUCH better?

[Edit] And you need to re-read (or read) your Lewis Carroll.
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Still wrong -- only one 'r' in Borogoves.

There, now isn't that MUCH better?

This is going to require that I retitle my movie The Last Dodlepuzz. That should greatly enhance its box office prospects.
post #14 of 27
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Your inner child needs to catch up on his reading

p.s. the spelling of the original is "All mimsy were the borogoves", correct spelling helps with searches even for "made-up" words:

http://www.jabberwocky.com/carroll/j...bberwocky.html

If we want to be totally accurate, whilst the line in Jabberwocky begins "All mimsy...", the title of the short story does not include the "All".
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If we want to be totally accurate, whilst the line in Jabberwocky begins "All mimsy...",

Frickin' Terry Gilliam thinks he's so smart.
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Frickin' Terry Gilliam thinks he's so smart.

THINK? I KNOW mate...

Terry Gilliam?
post #17 of 27
But the more relevant question is, what happens to a classic 1943 science fiction short story (by the husband and wife team of Henry Kuttner and Catherine L. Moore, published under pseudonym Lewis Padgett) when made into a full-length Hollywood movie, 64 years later? Does it go through a looking glass, or merely fall down a rabbit hole? I'm not entirely encouraged by Flave's report, may write again after seeing the movie tomorrow.
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Terry Gilliam?

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Possibly some minor spoilers, I don't think I posted any major ones:
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A few additional comments on The Last Mimzy, having seen it in a much emptier and less well-maintained theater than the one visited by Shaded Dogfood:

I thought the interaction between the children and the mysterious toys from the future, and how the children change (develop?) as they learn more about the toys, was the good part of the movie. This good part was more than 50% of the total. In particular, Rhiannon Leigh Wryn as Emma Wilder clearly stole the show. "The rest of 2007 and the years to come looks very promising for Rhiannon so please stick around" (from one of the inevitable fan sites). However, I have several caveats. By the way, I also remember a lot about the short story, although I read it a long time ago (in a galaxy far away?).

Caveat (1): Although the (present day) adults are, of course, peripheral to the story, I still thought several of the adult characters were unnecessarily annoying. In particular, Larry the Science Teacher clearly deserved a restraining order about midway through the movie, to mind his own business and stop hanging around the Wilder family. Dad was mostly OK, but Mom seemed hysterical and weak at key moments - I'm surprised at how unsympathetic was the portrayal of Mom. And the family should obviously have searched more carefully and paid more attention to references (with special attention to "steady in a crisis") when hiring a babysitter

Caveat (2): The more I learned about the future people, the senders of the mysterious toys, the less sense their story made to me. As I recall, the tone or implication of the original Kuttner/Moore short story was, "you'll never be able to understand the ideas, wishes, or motivations of the future people - unless of course you're a young child with access to a certain box of toys - so we won't waste words trying to explain any of these concepts to you". In the movie, there is too much attempt at explanation, that collapses of its own absurdity. (And "nonsense" and "absurd" are two different literary styles )

Shaded Dogfood wrote:
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The Last Mimzy expands this to encompass time travel, ecology and the environment, the need for action to avert coming disaster, and good old fashioned mysticism.

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so you're saying it's preachy self-aggrandizing anti-rational twaddle? Just trying to get some clarification here.

My take on this exchange between Shaded Dogfood and FredProgG is, you're giving this aspect of the script too much credit by talking as if it contains ideas that someone could agree or disagree with. I thought it was more like the scriptwriter grabbed bits and pieces of current popular ideas and hastily inserted them without much thought on how they fit together.

Caveat (3): Recent (last 2 or 3 decades) Hollywood and Pop Culture tendency to agglomerate science fiction and other types of "fantastic" or "speculative" fiction into a single category. (Sorry, the Palm Reading scene just did not belong.) Maybe the name for the category is now sciencefictionfantasycomicsnewagealternativereligiondisneyth emeparkride.

Caveat (4): Tendency to maudlin sentimentality that was completely absent from the original short story.

Anyway, I mostly enjoyed the movie in spite of all these objections. (Wait until you read my review of a movie that i really didn't like )
post #20 of 27
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My take on this exchange between Shaded Dogfood and FredProgG is, you're giving this aspect of the script too much credit by talking as if it contains ideas that someone could agree or disagree with.

Actually it was more good-natured haranguing of two people who have pretty similar tastes and viewpoints. but no matter.

Caveat (4): Tendency to maudlin sentimentality that was completely absent from the original short story.

Granted- they had to somewhat flesh out the story, as it was more of a Twilght Zone episode in its original form (and a Kuttner/Padgett story, "What You Need" was the basis of one of the stories on that first great season of the Zone). Considering the resolution of the original story, if they had had the guts to do so
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the resolution could have been having the children disappear they way they did in the story, a la "The Pied Piper". Perhaps an older version of them in the future could then send something back to a new set of children that their parents had given birth to. This could have preserved the somewhat dark and serious tone of the story and still give the audience some hope and positive feelings.

And like you, for all its shortcomings, I still liked the film, and will be glad to own a DVD or HD-DVD version of it.
post #21 of 27
There is one major ... MAJOR footnote to this movie.

Roger Waters composed a long, excellent song for this flick.
And he sung it.

And its classic Floyd ... which means ... classic Waters.

Its called "Hello I Love you", and the guitar on this piece is something special ... as is the chorus.
post #22 of 27
Here it is for your pleasure, in various formats:

http://www.jambase.com/headsup.asp?storyID=10161
post #23 of 27
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Yeah, I meant to mention that. It was co-written with Howard Shore (of Howard Shore and His All-Nurse Band), who did the score for the film. I'm not always crazy about Shore's scores, but this one I like.
post #24 of 27
I had no idea Terry Gilliam did a movie called Jabberwocky! And I thought I knew all of his movies...
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I had no idea Terry Gilliam did a movie called Jabberwocky! And I thought I knew all of his movies...

It's an early effort, and not one of his better films.
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It's an early effort, and not one of his better films.

Agreed, certainly not in relation to what he went on to do. Still, it holds up decently well. The main problem is that he was trying somewhat to break free of the Monty Python style but he couldn't entirely do it; it has a split personality, half Python, half Gilliam. But you can clearly see the roots of his visual style taking hold, even on the ludicrously low budget.
post #27 of 27
This is really off-topic, but when I saw the Last Mimzy, I was favorably impressed by the preview for another "sci-fi" movie, The Martian Child, which is due for release at the end of June.
http://imdb.com/title/tt0415965/

The Martian Child is based on a story of the same name by David Gerrold, which, according to Amazon reviews, won the top awards for literary science fiction, the Hugo and Nebula. From the descriptions, it is questionable whether the book and movie should be classified as "sci-fi", but the preview grabbed my interest regardless of genre. (I don't want to give too much away, you can easily find more information about the book and movie on other sites).
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