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post #61 of 8389
4/5/07 at 9:44am
I was surprised to see the 77U review on Cnet before the set is even available. on a couple of the HT magazine sites, I've seen spring 2006 models reviewed in 2007.
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post #62 of 8389
4/5/07 at 8:52pm
Anyone using "Apple TV" with the "54?"
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post #63 of 8389
4/7/07 at 6:50pm
I messed around with my 4254 a bit tonight and here's what I ended up with that looks pretty good to me. In case it's worth mentioning, there's about 50-60 hrs on my set.

Movie mode
Contrast 50
Brightness 38
Sharpness 10
Color 45
Tint - right in the middle
Color tone Normal

Detailed settings:
Black adjust low
dynamic contrast off
gamma 0
color space Wide

I didn't touch anything in white balance or my colors so they are all 15. I initially thought the green was a little bright, but with the current settings it looks fine (though i will have to re-check on HD golf or something)

Edge Enhancement off

DNR off
DNIe off

any other settings not listed are also off.

I find it funny that one of the reasons I chose this over the Panny 75u was the extra picture controls and it turns out I don't use any of them
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post #64 of 8389
4/7/07 at 9:11pm
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I find it funny that one of the reasons I chose this over the Panny 75u was the extra picture controls and it turns out I don't use any of them

Ya, but it's good they are there if you decide to get it calibrated. Doing a user menu calibration is about $200 cheaper than the pro having to go into the service menu.
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post #65 of 8389
4/8/07 at 10:51am
For any Canadians...

2001 Audio Video will be carrying the 54 series:

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HP-T4254 $19xx Due to arrive late April early May
HP-T5054 $29xx Due to arrive late April early May

No word on the 64 series.
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post #66 of 8389
4/8/07 at 4:19pm
I am ready to dive into my first plasma. Would like to see some pics. I know if you own a plasma, there is a 99 in 100 chance that you own a digital camera. Help a brotha out.
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post #67 of 8389
4/8/07 at 5:57pm
The 54 is in the top 3 sets for me to look at for purchase, the other 2 being the Sammy 4665f, and Panny 50px60 or 75.

I do have a major concern that is holding me back from making the 54 the major contender and it is burn-in. I have heard a lot about this not being an issue anymore (ie. pixel shift and such), but in the Samsung 54 manual, it clearly states that no static image should be left on for more than a few minutes! Now I know that burn-in is supposed to take a lot longer to really take hold, but this statement has put a serious doubt in my mind as I play quite a bit of video games and watch a lot of 2:35 to 1 movies. Should this be a concern, or is this just a disclaimer to cover Samsung's a$$.

The only thing that comforts me about burn-in is that I have a 34" Panny ws crt and it has no burn-in at all with lots if video games and 2:35 to 1 movies. Are the Plasmas at this stage of non-worry yet?
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post #68 of 8389
4/8/07 at 7:58pm
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Originally Posted by eimajnacnud View Post

The 54 is in the top 3 sets for me to look at for purchase, the other 2 being the Sammy 4665f, and Panny 50px60 or 75.

I do have a major concern that is holding me back from making the 54 the major contender and it is burn-in. I have heard a lot about this not being an issue anymore (ie. pixel shift and such), but in the Samsung 54 manual, it clearly states that no static image should be left on for more than a few minutes! Now I know that burn-in is supposed to take a lot longer to really take hold, but this statement has put a serious doubt in my mind as I play quite a bit of video games and watch a lot of 2:35 to 1 movies. Should this be a concern, or is this just a disclaimer to cover Samsung's a$$.

The only thing that comforts me about burn-in is that I have a 34" Panny ws crt and it has no burn-in at all with lots if video games and 2:35 to 1 movies. Are the Plasmas at this stage of non-worry yet?

I'm in the exact same position as you. I looked at the 5054 manual on-line and read that and it scared me also. I would just get an LCD but they are more expensive and the picture doesn't look real like the plasma. Plus the plasma has a better response time then the LCD's. I think I'm going to take a chance and go for the 5054 or 64. I think I read the 64 won't reflect as much so maybe I'll get that one. This is a tough decision right now. I'm into gaming and I don't want to worry about burn in or the letter box formats. Ugh.
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post #69 of 8389
4/8/07 at 8:05pm
Obviously this is a samsung thread and as a result I might not get a lot of feedback.

But so far how do these 54's compare with the pannys from last year? What about the pannys from this year? Sony's SXRD?

How do these sammys compare with last years? I have yet to see a 54 series in person. The 53's I did not like and the red push was horrible, just horrible IMO. However, I have read that most of that push is gone right out of the box and the rest can be calibrated out on the new sets...

Just looking for info guys
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post #70 of 8389
4/8/07 at 8:07pm
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Originally Posted by eimajnacnud View Post

The 54 is in the top 3 sets for me to look at for purchase, the other 2 being the Sammy 4665f, and Panny 50px60 or 75.

I do have a major concern that is holding me back from making the 54 the major contender and it is burn-in. I have heard a lot about this not being an issue anymore (ie. pixel shift and such), but in the Samsung 54 manual, it clearly states that no static image should be left on for more than a few minutes! Now I know that burn-in is supposed to take a lot longer to really take hold, but this statement has put a serious doubt in my mind as I play quite a bit of video games and watch a lot of 2:35 to 1 movies. Should this be a concern, or is this just a disclaimer to cover Samsung's a$$.

The only thing that comforts me about burn-in is that I have a 34" Panny ws crt and it has no burn-in at all with lots if video games and 2:35 to 1 movies. Are the Plasmas at this stage of non-worry yet?

Ohh wow, that is not good at all. Why would these sets be more prone to burn in than the pio's or pannys?
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post #71 of 8389
4/8/07 at 8:42pm
new Pannys and Sammys almost never get burn in. Maybe some IR if you really abuse the set.

2007 Sammy > 2006 Panny and 2007 Panny 50PX75U....IMHO

The new Panny with 1080p will probably have a best picture but it's not out yet.

LCDs are nice if you play games but they suck for movies and sports.
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post #72 of 8389
4/8/07 at 8:48pm
I have been playing video games on my 4254 for a few hours every day for the past few days and see no IR at all. I just run screen wipe afterwards just in case.
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post #73 of 8389
4/8/07 at 9:18pm
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I have been playing video games on my 4254 for a few hours every day for the past few days and see no IR at all. I just run screen wipe afterwards just in case.

Did you do the break-in period of 100 hours of initial phosphor aging (and no gaming) or just fire up gaming from the start.

Did anyone pick there 54/64 plasma over the 65 series lcd (one other thread mentioned movies and sports, so are lcd's really that inferior when coming to these things)?
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post #74 of 8389
4/8/07 at 9:43pm
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Did anyone pick there 54/64 plasma over the 65 series lcd

some people are more sensitive to motion blur than others. I went and looked at the 65 and the basketball scenes gave me a headache. You'll have to look at it in the store and judge for yourself.

if you don't watch much sports it's not a big deal.
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post #75 of 8389
4/9/07 at 6:38am
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Originally Posted by JerseyPickle View Post

new Pannys and Sammys almost never get burn in. Maybe some IR if you really abuse the set.

2007 Sammy > 2006 Panny and 2007 Panny 50PX75U....IMHO

The new Panny with 1080p will probably have a best picture but it's not out yet.

LCDs are nice if you play games but they suck for movies and sports.

Why do you feel that way?
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post #76 of 8389
4/9/07 at 8:35am
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Originally Posted by eimajnacnud View Post

Did you do the break-in period of 100 hours of initial phosphor aging (and no gaming) or just fire up gaming from the start.

Did anyone pick there 54/64 plasma over the 65 series lcd (one other thread mentioned movies and sports, so are lcd's really that inferior when coming to these things)?


I probably had about 75 hours of break-in on the set before I gave in and turned on the 360. I turned on the game mode and then went into the picture controls and turned down the brightness and contrast as an extra precaution. I just make sure to run the scrolling burn-in protection when I'm done, no matter what. I chose my plasma over every LCD in the market.

Plasma gives me deeper blacks, better color, and best of all no motion blur.
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post #77 of 8389
4/9/07 at 11:59am
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Originally Posted by eimajnacnud View Post

The 54 is in the top 3 sets for me to look at for purchase, the other 2 being the Sammy 4665f, and Panny 50px60 or 75.

I do have a major concern that is holding me back from making the 54 the major contender and it is burn-in. I have heard a lot about this not being an issue anymore (ie. pixel shift and such), but in the Samsung 54 manual, it clearly states that no static image should be left on for more than a few minutes! Now I know that burn-in is supposed to take a lot longer to really take hold, but this statement has put a serious doubt in my mind as I play quite a bit of video games and watch a lot of 2:35 to 1 movies. Should this be a concern, or is this just a disclaimer to cover Samsung's a$$.

The only thing that comforts me about burn-in is that I have a 34" Panny ws crt and it has no burn-in at all with lots if video games and 2:35 to 1 movies. Are the Plasmas at this stage of non-worry yet?


This is Samsungs way of indicating "still" images should not be left on for their benifit. I have not seen any IR on our new 4254 (less than a week). The b&c are turned down slightly and the pixel shift program is set to 3-3-1. Viewing 2:35 movies and the Discovery series Planet Earth left no visible IR.
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post #78 of 8389
4/9/07 at 2:01pm
Yeah, that business about Burn-in in the manual is all about company C.Y.A. (cover your....well you know) I've paused my games for a few minutes at a time, no burn in, watched plenty of shows with banners, or movies with black bars, nothing. Now I did get a slight image retention that lasted for about two minutes when I left my game paused for around ten minutes once, and it was from a blazing red rectangular box in the upper right hand corner for the score. None of the rest of the games images produced an IR after that lengthy pause, just that one small red rectangle, and it was gone completely in less than two minutes of play after I started playing again.
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post #79 of 8389
4/9/07 at 2:51pm
I'm still wondering if people are dropping audio via HDMI. I have my cable hooked up with component but I insist on using HDMI for DVD play. The picture is MUCH better with HDMI for DVD's.

If I have to exchange it I don't know what else to get. The Panny doesn't fit my bracket and CC doesn't carry Pioneer.
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post #80 of 8389
4/9/07 at 6:53pm
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This is Samsungs way of indicating "still" images should not be left on for their benifit. I have not seen any IR on our new 4254 (less than a week). The b&c are turned down slightly and the pixel shift program is set to 3-3-1. Viewing 2:35 movies and the Discovery series Planet Earth left no visible IR.

That's the one thing I am confused about. I am using Apple TV, so there are some still images, and I think it said for the 4254 online that I should set the pixel shift to 1-1-2. The manual says 2-2-1 I believe. What is the OPTIMUM SETTING??? Since it does not really affect my viewing I would just like to use the "Best," "most effective" setting.
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post #81 of 8389
4/10/07 at 6:34am
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Originally Posted by eimajnacnud View Post

The 54 is in the top 3 sets for me to look at for purchase, the other 2 being the Sammy 4665f, and Panny 50px60 or 75.

I do have a major concern that is holding me back from making the 54 the major contender and it is burn-in. I have heard a lot about this not being an issue anymore (ie. pixel shift and such), but in the Samsung 54 manual, it clearly states that no static image should be left on for more than a few minutes! Now I know that burn-in is supposed to take a lot longer to really take hold, but this statement has put a serious doubt in my mind as I play quite a bit of video games and watch a lot of 2:35 to 1 movies. Should this be a concern, or is this just a disclaimer to cover Samsung's a$$.

The only thing that comforts me about burn-in is that I have a 34" Panny ws crt and it has no burn-in at all with lots if video games and 2:35 to 1 movies. Are the Plasmas at this stage of non-worry yet?

You should put the Sammy at the top of that list. Exceptional set. And it has a host of "anti burn in" options including an ADJUSTABLE pixel shift program, a blue screen, and a side scrolling white to black wash screen.

As long as you do a proper break in there should be no issues with burn in or image retention.
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post #82 of 8389
4/10/07 at 6:37am
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Originally Posted by ZippyBongHits View Post

You should put the Sammy at the top of that list. Exceptional set. And it has a host of "anti burn in" options including an ADJUSTABLE pixel shift program, a blue screen, and a side scrolling white to black wash screen.

As long as you do a proper break in there should be no issues with burn in or image retention.

Some people have told me that when you run those wash programs it takes a certain amount of hours OFF the longevity of the set. Do you know if that's true?
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post #83 of 8389
4/10/07 at 6:40am
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Some people have told me that when you run those wash programs it takes a certain amount of hours OFF the longevity of the set. Do you know if that's true?

Hog wash, the screens are there for maintenance and should be used regularly.
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post #84 of 8389
4/10/07 at 9:50am
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Some people have told me that when you run those wash programs it takes a certain amount of hours OFF the longevity of the set. Do you know if that's true?

Even if they did, would you really miss a few thousand hours off of the 60000 hour life span?

And thanks to everyone on the forum for helping me out, but most likely in digust of the plasma owners, I went with the Sammy 4665f LCD (got a killer deal of $600 off!). Couldn't wait any longer and the sales people here in Good 'Ole Small City Red Deer, Alberta had no idea when the new sets were going to be in. The good thing is that the store I bought it from has a sixty day return policy so if I see the Plasma and like it more than the lcd, I got lots of time to get it back.
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post #85 of 8389
4/10/07 at 12:25pm
Probably stupid questions, but can someone explain how the pixel shift works? And do you notice it when it is activated during normal viewing? thanks.
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post #86 of 8389
4/10/07 at 12:34pm
It does as it sounds, it shifts the picture by the designated number of pixels, both horizontal as well as vertical. You can set the number for both horizontal and vertical shift individually, from 0 to 4, you can also select how often it performs this brief shift, from 1 to 4.

I have never been able to discern this movement.

I set my TV to shift 2 vertical and 2 horizontal every 4 minutes

When playing video games I set it up to shift 4,4, every 1 minute.
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post #87 of 8389
4/10/07 at 12:39pm
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Originally Posted by fireballz View Post

Probably stupid questions, but can someone explain how the pixel shift works? And do you notice it when it is activated during normal viewing? thanks.

Pixel shift moves the image on the screen the specified number of pixels at the selected time. A setting of 2.2.1 moves the image 2 pixels horizontal, 2 pixels vertical at one minute intervals. The actual movement is not noticeable unless you have a static image on the screen and watch very, very closely.

Mine is currently set at 3.3.1. This will probably change after the first 100 hours to 2.2.1
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post #88 of 8389
4/10/07 at 2:12pm
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Originally Posted by Flyfishingdad View Post

It does as it sounds, it shifts the picture by the designated number of pixels, both horizontal as well as vertical. You can set the number for both horizontal and vertical shift individually, from 0 to 4, you can also select how often it performs this brief shift, from 1 to 4.

I have never been able to discern this movement.

I set my TV to shift 2 vertical and 2 horizontal every 4 minutes

When playing video games I set it up to shift 4,4, every 1 minute.

If you can game on this set no problem then I think I'll order one soon!
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post #89 of 8389
4/10/07 at 3:46pm
Hey, Im about to get the 4254 APR 11, trading it for my broke 4253 from samsung. This will be my baby for a while, and Im kinda new at plasmas so can I get some good pointers for picture settings, break-ins, and all the juicy details I need to know in order to have an excellent experience?

Do you really need to run the plasma for 100 hours before playing video games? Because my Gears of War and Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2 will be tempting me tomorrow.

All advice is greatly appreciated.
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post #90 of 8389
4/10/07 at 4:18pm
Still no photos?
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