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post #1621 of 2128
3/19/08 at 1:14pm
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Awesome shots but too much red on the first few pics!
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post #1622 of 2128
3/19/08 at 1:19pm
Yea, I plan on getting this soon..

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post #1623 of 2128
3/19/08 at 2:10pm
So I was flipping around the internets, and saw this 2001 comparison:
http://www.bulletsnbabesdvd.com/foru...pic.php?t=4101

Looking at the DVD screenshots, they seem to have the same color and contrast issues as the HDNet broadcast. So it seems possible that the not-so-sharp HD/BDs may have indeed gotten a new transfer.

Why it is so soft is another issue.
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post #1624 of 2128
3/19/08 at 5:53pm
Which dvd release is that though?
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post #1625 of 2128
3/20/08 at 7:34pm
I watched the HDNet version of "2001" over cable last week on my 52" Aquos 62U.. It looked pretty amazing, but there was some minor color banding is some places do to either compression of some sort by my crappy cable company (CrapWarner Cable) , or maybe it was there from HDNET. It wasn't the TV.
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post #1626 of 2128
3/21/08 at 3:07am
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Scorpion King HD DVD

VC-1

USA - 17 mbps

EU - 18.40 mbps

Many thanks to
madshi for the info and screenshots.


USA......................................................... ............................................................ ............................................................ ............................................................ ............................................................ ............................................................ ...............EU
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post #1627 of 2128
3/21/08 at 3:07am
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post #1628 of 2128
3/21/08 at 3:22am
The Black Levels seem to be better in the E.U version.
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post #1629 of 2128
3/22/08 at 5:57am
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post #1630 of 2128
3/22/08 at 6:16am
The EU encode looks to be ever so slightly better defined (window pane, carpet, etc) but also a little noisier (resolving grain better?). I doubt you'd be able to tell the difference in motion unless you have a very large and revealing setup.

Either way The Scorpion King has a very nice transfer. Better than either of the Mummy films IMO.
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post #1631 of 2128
3/22/08 at 7:04am
You are right. Universal needs a couple of whips for messing up the encodes on Mummy 1 & 2.

Kelly HU looks stunning in both U.S and E.U version.
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post #1632 of 2128
3/22/08 at 2:17pm
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post #1633 of 2128
3/24/08 at 6:48am
Just for your interest: I've compared several Universal titles recently between USA and Europe. Some titles had identical encodings (Serenity), but several titles had different encodings:

(1) The Scorpion King, slightly higher bitrate on European disc, slightly better picture.
(2) The Bourne Identity, slightly higher bitrate on USA disc, also one little (not so important) scene was cut in the European encoding.
(3) Out of Sight, slightly higher bitrate on European disc, picture maybe a touch better, but the difference was even smaller compared to the Scorpion King.
(4) Waterworld, slightly higher bitrate on European disc, quite noticable differences this time! The USA release is noticably "rougher". It's a tad more detailed but also has more artifacts. The European release seems to have a little bit of grain removed. Overall the image is a bit smoother which also resulted in sometimes a very tiny bit of detail being lost. On the positive side, the European encoding has in some scenes (with very fast motion) noticably less compression artifacts. I was not sure for a while which encoding I preferred, but in the end I decided for the European encoding due to the lesser amount of artifacts. I'm sorry, I should have made some screenshots for this one but due to lack of time I didn't...
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post #1634 of 2128
3/24/08 at 8:00pm
Thanks madshi. I knew these and have bought the discs from the right regions.

Bourne Identity (U.S)
Out of Sight (AUS - same as E.U)
Serenity (U.K - has 20 minutes additional bonus content and is supposed to have used the improved VC-1 encode)
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post #1635 of 2128
3/24/08 at 9:57pm
Hasn't it been confirmed that Serenity uses the same encode ala Harry Potter?
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post #1636 of 2128
3/25/08 at 12:32am
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Originally Posted by madshi View Post

Just for your interest: I've compared several Universal titles recently between USA and Europe. Some titles had identical encodings (Serenity), but several titles had different encodings:

(1) The Scorpion King, slightly higher bitrate on European disc, slightly better picture.
(2) The Bourne Identity, slightly higher bitrate on USA disc, also one little (not so important) scene was cut in the European encoding.
(3) Out of Sight, slightly higher bitrate on European disc, picture maybe a touch better, but the difference was even smaller compared to the Scorpion King.
(4) Waterworld, slightly higher bitrate on European disc, quite noticable differences this time! The USA release is noticably "rougher". It's a tad more detailed but also has more artifacts. The European release seems to have a little bit of grain removed. Overall the image is a bit smoother which also resulted in sometimes a very tiny bit of detail being lost. On the positive side, the European encoding has in some scenes (with very fast motion) noticably less compression artifacts. I was not sure for a while which encoding I preferred, but in the end I decided for the European encoding due to the lesser amount of artifacts. I'm sorry, I should have made some screenshots for this one but due to lack of time I didn't...

Can you give us an idea of what type of bitrates we're talking? I'm not familiar with these titles, so I don't know if you're talking about going from ~12mbps to ~15mbps or if you're talking ~20 to ~25 mbps.

Brandon
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post #1637 of 2128
3/25/08 at 12:51am
What madshi may be trying to convey is that the E.U encodes of some of the Universal HD DVD titles might have either gone through certain enhancements in the PQ encoding probably due to usage of an improved version of VC-1 encoder or some other minor adjustments in the encoding process to improve or optimize overall PQ.
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post #1638 of 2128
3/25/08 at 4:35am
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madshi do you realize how controversial your post would have been just a few months ago?



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Originally Posted by Kram Sacul View Post

Hasn't it been confirmed that Serenity uses the same encode

According to my tests: Yes.

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Originally Posted by bplewis24 View Post

Can you give us an idea of what type of bitrates we're talking? I'm not familiar with these titles, so I don't know if you're talking about going from ~12mbps to ~15mbps or if you're talking ~20 to ~25 mbps.

E.g. with The Scorpion King it's 17.0Mbps for the USA encoding and 18.4Mbps for the European encoding. For Waterworld the difference was slightly higher, IIRC.

It should be noted, though, that most of the European discs where the encoding differs from the USA are rather new releases for us here in Europe (although the movies were available in the USA for quite a while). So I expect that it's not only the higher bitrate which sometimes helps image quality but also probably a newer version of the VC-1 encoder.

But as you can see from the Scorpion screenshots, the image quality differences are really minor. Except for Waterworld where it's a bit more noticable.
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post #1639 of 2128
3/25/08 at 7:52pm
Nice grabs, Eric.

The Blu-ray version has FAR fewer compression artifacts.
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post #1640 of 2128
3/25/08 at 8:19pm
Yes but both almost looks the same.
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post #1641 of 2128
3/25/08 at 8:29pm
Are the halos around the ropes in a few shots EE or photographic in nature?
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post #1642 of 2128
3/25/08 at 8:33pm
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Yes but both almost looks the same.

Not to my eyes when it comes to the grabs from difficult scenes. The Blu-ray version retains grain much better and doesn't succumb to breaking-up into a pixelated mess. This movie will never impress those who are always looking for the pinnacle in sharpness and pop, but it is clear that the Blu-ray version is much more faithful to the source.
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post #1643 of 2128
3/25/08 at 8:36pm
You may be right but for average viewers like me it's difficult to discern a difference.
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post #1644 of 2128
3/25/08 at 9:30pm
Can anyone do a comparison of I, Robot between DTheater and Blu-ray.. Maybe even throw in a 1080i .ts. People are saying the DTheater was reference, so I want to see how it compares to the blu. Also I barely noticed a difference between the M&C shots. The BD was a bit darker and seem to be compressed by a few pixels.
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post #1645 of 2128
3/25/08 at 10:20pm
+1. Also need a comparison of Ice Age between DTheater and Blu-ray.
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post #1646 of 2128
3/25/08 at 11:11pm
I would like to see some BD/D-Theater comparison grabs of Independence Day. In his review of the Blu-ray disc, Kris Deering mentioned that it's a sizable improvement over the D-Theater version. In another review, he noted that the i,Robot BD only looks a bit better than its D-Theater counterpart.
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post #1647 of 2128
3/31/08 at 4:10am
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I'Robot

19.55 GB Mpeg-2 21.51 Mbps........................................................ ............................................................ ............................................................ ............................................................ ............................................................ ................................................26.40 GB AVC
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post #1648 of 2128
3/31/08 at 4:45am
Is that really the D-Theater version or a certain h.264 re-encode?
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post #1649 of 2128
3/31/08 at 4:57am
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Originally Posted by Kram Sacul View Post

Is that really the D-Theater version or a certain h.264 re-encode?

My D-Theater log:

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Sequence Frame 166503(10-B) / Time 1:55:29 :
Info: End of MPEG2 sequence

Sequence Summary:

File Size Processed: 19.55 GB, Play Time: 01h:55m:29s
1920 x 1080, 29.97 fps (24.03 fps Telecine), 45.00 Mbps (21.51 Mbps Average).
Average Video Quality: 109.25 KB/Frame, 0.43 Bits/Pixel.
AC3 Audio: 3/2 Channels (L, C, R, SL, SR) + LFE, 48.0 kHz, 576 kbps.
Dialog Normalization: -27.0 dB, Center Mix Level: -3.0 dB, Surround Mix Level: -3.0 dB
0 of 166503 video frames found with errors.
0 of 216546 audio frames found with errors.
0 corrupted video bytes in file.
0.000000 seconds of video timestamp gaps.
0.000000 seconds of audio timestamp gaps.

End of Log

No crappy re-encode in my thread.
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post #1650 of 2128
3/31/08 at 5:29am
Actually I meant the Sky h.264 broadcast, not a re-encode.
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