2007 Samsung LED Owner's Thread (HLT XX87/89S) - Page 5

Could someone verify which version HDMI xx87 sets are using?

Crutchfield lists 1.1

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-tVoaMu6...S&i=305HLT6187

I don't know what Costco and Samsung will do for 2007. The HL-S6767 is a set built for Costco, and 2006 was the first time Samsung did that.

What I meant was that there will be various HL-S models showing up at closeout locations for some time after they are no longer available at places like BB and CC. Most of the big screen TVs that Costco sells are discontinued closeout models.

You will have to wait for "87" owners to figure that out since Samsung hasn't made it clear yet. There have been several examples in the past where Samsung advertised a feature on their higher end sets and said nothing about the feature on the lower priced line sold in big box stores.

It's up to AVS owners to figure out what's in the cheaper sets, but not listed.

In any case, the difference will not be worth much for a long time.

Understanding HDMI Ver 1.3

There are a number of sources from CES that report the 87S as using HDMI 1.2 while the 89S has HDMI 1.3. Crutchfield lists 1.1 on the 87. CNET lists "Type A". So, it's far from certain which HDMI is being used.

Either way, it is good to know that both sets have 3 HDMI inputs.

FWIW, I think that the early adopting audience is quite used to replacing electronics before they have run their course. With no immediate sources utilizing 1.3 - still a ways off - it would be hard to justify spending the extra for 1.3 if the chances of the unit being replaced by then are better than average. Just my opinion.

Got my 5087s...and my wife quoted that she was blinded by how bright it was! I quickly switched it to movie mode, but it's still plenty bright!

Cheers,

Joe

Maybe a Samsung engineer got packaged in with the TV.

I hope I can soon be a proud owner of a 2007 Samsung DLP TV - preferably with LED and HDMI 1.3.

Can you adjust the brightness low enough to watch comfortably/eye-strain free at night?

In addition to what Warhawk71 requested, could someone also post the dimensions of the foot for the 61" sets? TIA.

HL-T6189S on the way!! Ordered mine yesterday for a great price! Can't wait to get it. I have a 56" 2005 Samsung DLP now and love it!!! As soon as I get it I will post my opinion. PM me if anyone wants to know where I got it. It's one of the Samsung listed authorized retailers and they are great.

The first step you need to consider is to not use yellow for your text.

There is a drop down list of styles in the lower left corner of all AVS pages. Anyone who has selected "AVS -- white" as their style can't see yellow text on a white background.

There are two things to think about before you buy one of the first sets of any model year from any company. Prices normally drop and this year they seem to be dropping even faster. The second reason is that we are in the "honeymoon" period for Samsung's 2007 LED models. That will go on for about a month, and then trouble reports will start to increase. That's also true for all manufacturers.

Even though there are reasons to wait that change throughout the year, I personally think a two or three month wait is worth it at this point in Samsung's annual cycle.

It's really a personal choice that only you can make.

Well I thought I would have the first HLT5087S but alas, they called two days ago to tell me that UPS can't ship it, so it will be here via freight on Wednesday.

I eagerly await more pictures and information!

I was hoping to watch the Sopranos second half season premiere on this thing, but I get to suffer on a 20" Widescreen LCD... ugh.

Thanks for the info guys! Its much appreciated!

Until you said something about the styles I had no clue about them

To say something on topic.......

I will be ordering the 5087S very very soon. I just hope they still have them in stock when I go to order. They seem to be selling quite well. I wish I could get the 6189S like most everyone else is but 50 is plenty enough for me. Still wondering what the 5089S is looking like in price......

For those of you interested. I've been researching the 3D Sync Out port and 3d HD. I came up with a demonstration that will be presented on 3d HD within the month for the NBA. I have no idea if this is the same technology that's present in our televisions but I guess we'll know in a couple days. It was the most promising thing I could find on 3D HD and there is even less out there on the 3D Sync Out port.

Here's a couple snippets of a sneak peek at the technology:

http://www.tvpredictions.com/nbahd021207.htm

...NBA officials say they will use 3D HD cameras from Pace, a company that has worked with director James Cameron on several 3D HDTV projects, including his Titanic documentary which played in IMAX theaters.

Pace requires theater goers to wear special goggles which enables you to experience the 3D effects as well as view the high-def content.

It's ocular convergence and a layering of images, Steve Hellmuth, senior VP of operations and technology for NBA Entertainment, told Broadcasting & Cable magazine. It changes the ocular experience by having the cameras change position on the sled, and the viewer is drawn into a unique experience that you're not even aware of having.

B&C says the league will use five of the Pace cameras for the 3D HDTV coverage of the All-Star game, which will be played on February 18. (TNT will broadcast the game in high-def, starting at 8 p.m. ET)...

And here's the event:

http://www.nab.org/AM/Template.cfm?S...entDisplay.cfm

Who: National Basketball Association

What: Steve Hellmuth, Senior Vice President of Operations and Technology for NBA Entertainment, will demonstrate 3D HD technology at the 2007 NAB Sports Technology Forum.

During the recent 2007 NBA All-Star in February, the NBA teamed up with PACE to deliver the first-ever live sports event in 3D HD with special viewing parties for NBA All-Star Saturday Night and the NBA All-Star Game.

The demonstration will include 3D HD footage from NBA All-Star to provide attendees with the opportunity to see this groundbreaking technology that the NBA has utilized.

When: April 16, 2007, 4:30 p.m.

Where: The Las Vegas Convention Center, room N249

**The demonstration is only open to registered attendees of the Sports Video Group 2007 NAB Sports Technology Forum. For additional information please visit www.nab.org. **

Contacts:
NBA: John Acunto, 212-407-8255, jacunto@nba.com
Sports Video Group: Ken Kerschbaumer, 212-481-8140, kenkersch@sportsvideo.org

Again, I have no idea if this is the same technology but it seemed the most promising for use of that port that I could find. I realize that all previous attempts to pull off something like this has resulted in a horrible death for the technology in the past

The presentation sounds more like a theater experience but could potentially be moved into the consumer sector in the future using the same PACE shudder technology.

Haven't been able to calibrate it just yet...difficult with 2 kids (ages 3 and 1)...but I'll try...


Joe

how is the fan noise on the 6189

When I was trying to find out when the HLT models would hit my local stores last month a sales rep had mentioned this feature to me however he explained it a little different. He told me that the function was going to be used in gaming. He said that he had heard that the function would be utilized when you played multiplayer games and everyone would wear special glasses and instead of the normal split screen for multiplayer each player would be able to see his or her player full screen. That would be really cool anyway I just wanted to share my thoughts about this.

Now that would be way cool. That would make my son and me very happy.

this tech has been around for a while. not sure how feasible it is though

(can't post link because not 5 posts yet)

http://www.itworld.com/Comp/3952/050714sharplcd/

Thanks for the information.

Pictures look great! This is the first RP HDTV that has really caught my attention. The long life of the LED's and the lack of a color wheel really pushes this model above the rest in my eyes. Can't wait to get a look at it in person!

You're welcome.

By the way, the $159/meter HDMI 1.3 cable isn't an indicator of what 1.3 certified cables will cost when they are needed. The cable is a new technology for extremely long HDMI 1.3 runs with electronics built into each end of the cable.

Hi Everyone:


Sorry I couldn't post anything last night. It turns out that 2 kids + 1 wife + holiday weekend = very little time to play with my new toy.

Anyway, I attached a few pics here. I disabled the flash on the camera, but didn't have a tripod handy. The result is some pictures on the dark and grainy side that might also be a tad blurry. I apologize for the poor quality pics. I'll try to get some better pictures over the coming days. I don't have Blueray or HD-DVD, so the non XBox360 pictures are from an SD cable channel and a standard DVD at 480i (Harry Potter). The XBox 360 photo was taken with the display set to "just scan" mode.

Here are some quick pro's an cons that I have observed so far:


Pros

- Plenty of brightness, for those with lots of ambient light. I had to turn down the contrast, because it felt like my eyeballs were burning up.

- Fast display for gaming. No discernable "video lag" when playing the XBox 360 using component at 1080P. Also no motion blurring.

- I didn't see any banding in any of the video modes (dynamic, normal, movie). That doesn't mean it isn't there because I haven't done any exhaustive tests, but I have yet to see it with casual viewing.

- SD content seems to be what I expected. Not great, but tolerable for a 61" display.

- While I'm sure the set will benefit from a calibration, the out-of-the-box color seems to be decent. I'm running at Warm1 right now, since Warm2 felt a little bit too red. My old Sony 36" CRT was calibrated, so I have an idea of what a good set should look like.

- Geometry on my set seems very good. I've also got about 3% overscan on the sides, and 5% overscan on the top and bottom.

- Turn on time is very fast.

- I cannot hear the cooling fan running at my viewing distance of 11'

- The source select button on the remote lets you directly choose a source input, without having to scroll through all of the inputs one at a time.

- HD content is breathtaking.


Cons

- The screen is very sensitive to vertical viewing position. I sit about 11' from the screen, and if I stand up there is a noticable change in brightness. Even at 11' sitting down, it seems like I need to back up about 2' more for the screen to have uniform brightness. I'd say don't get this model if you sit 10' or closer.

- I have very good vision, and I can detect mosquito noise (or is it called DLP noise?) at about 10'. If I close in to about 6' I can see lots of it. I'm not worried though, since it's nearly undetectable at my 11' viewing distance.

- If you are very sensitive to rainbows, you might still see them. I can see them very easily on color wheel based DLPs. It's much harder to see on the HL-T6189S, but it's definitely there. I'm trying not to purposely see it too much, since I don't want to ruin it for myself by training my eyes to detect it.

- On about the top 1/4 potion of the screen (horizontally), the vertical convergence was off a little bit. This isn't noticable out past about 5' or so. I assume maybe that's because of a steep projection angle or something. It's only noticable when showing a diagnostic crosshatch pattern, but I thought it was worth reporting. EDIT: This might be color fringing rather than a convergence issue. Thanks to htwaits for the input on this.


That's all I can think of right now. I'll keep checking back and try to answer any questions that come up.


-Bryan

Morseth,

Thanks for your report.

You mentioned that turn on time was "very fast." Can you quantify that in seconds?

... and watch standing up.

Thanks for the detailed report.

hmmm..I am at 8.5 feet from where the screen will be.....but I want 61 incher. May have to think about the 56 instead. But I rather not. Would it make a difference if you put the tv closer to the ground? How high is your stand?

I just timed it. Between 7 and 8 seconds.


-Bryan

My stand is 21" high. My eyes are about dead center (horizontal and vertical) with the screen when I'm seated and viewing. Even at 11', I can notice a brighter horizontal band through the center of the screen. I'd say about 15% of the top/bottom of my screen seems just a tad darker than the center portion. If I were at 8.5 feet, I'd be unhappy (that's just me personally).

I don't want to blow this out of proportion and make it sound like a horrible problem. Everyone has their own personal tastes and tolerances. I'd recommend seeing one in person at 8.5 feet to see whether or not you're comfortable with the 61" at that distance.

I'm coming from a 36" direct view HD set, so I have certain biases. I'm used to seeing uniform brightness over the entire picture, at every angle. I'm not unhappy with my new 61" at all. It jut takes a little getting used to,that's all

-Bryan

Considering the manual for this set claims a 7.5 or greater viewing distance I will be unhappy if the size of the set is the problem with light uniformity on the 61". I'll be sitting anywhere from 8 - 10 feet out.

I'd like to also hear from people who purchased the 56" on this considering this is Samsung's second run of 56" LED's.

Thanks Morseth....my stand is about 24 inches high but might get a lower one.....also might have to take a look at the 58 inch panny 1080p plasma thats coming soon as well.