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Originally Posted by markm75 View Post

I have the hlt-6187S in my case, decided to try a friends glasses he got off ebay.. they were the ones that are similar to the eagle 510's, $40 per pair, dlp-link type..

I have TMT 5, loaded up Captain america 3d.. set tv to 3d.. (DLP/dual view std glasses).. then in tmt (media center version of the player), under info.. 3d... i see 3d is checked off..

I see the typical red tint to the screen as many reported with my set.. i see the 3d shift on the image.. put glasses on, press button, get an initial flash like its trying to sync but never does..

My HTPC is an motherboard for the i3-540 series cpu (built in graphics onboard cpu etc) (Intel HD graphics).. it only supports checkerboard, not side by side.. (motherboard P7H55** series)

Not sure what i'm missing here.. maybe something with TMT and the media center version or maybe intel? My avr is the denon AVR-1912. I dont have an emitter, as with dlp-link it was my understanding this isnt needed, nor a 3d driver.

Update to this post:

So i tried everything, tried plugging the hdmi from the htpc directly into the hlt-6187s.. no change..

I get the blurry double image.. like tron 3d.. the menu, is blurry with overlapping letters where the 3d effect would be.. put glasses on, tried both modes on tv etc.. no sync.. dlp link fail.. verified intel hd graphics set to 60hz..

Only thing it could be now i guess, is the TMT 5 software or the glasses themselves...

**So my question is.. is anyone using TMT, or what software player?
mine is 5.0.1.114

**And secondly, if its the glasses maybe moving on to another pair, anyone tried these optoma bg-zd101 and know if it works with the hlt6187s? http://www.amazon.com/Optoma-BG-ZD10...ref=pd_sim_e_1

Or is there a "golden" pair of another brand, such as maybe the xpand 103s? that everyone agrees work the best for dlp-link with this set.
post #14012 of 14846
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Originally Posted by markm75 View Post

And secondly, if its the glasses maybe moving on to another pair, [...]

Have you looked at this thread?
Glasses Buyers Guide - (Samsung DLP LED Legacy Sets)
post #14013 of 14846
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Originally Posted by MLXXXp View Post

Have you looked at this thread?
Glasses Buyers Guide - (Samsung DLP LED Legacy Sets)

Thanks for the link.. i'm now playing with scaling options in my htpc to see if that was the issue for dlp-link and also considering just getting a pair of ir emitter type (in addition, if i get dlp-link working).. It appears it comes down to ultra clear dlp link from 3d heaven (plus the emitter) = $70 or the nxg-3dg glasses ($50 amazon).. though with the nxg's, i dont see a combo kit that is avail that includes the emitter.. does anyone know which emitter will work with the nxgs? (nxgs seemed to have better quality from what everyone said). Also, i see a nxg-3dgr (rechargeable for samsung c series on amazon), not sure if that will work as well.
post #14014 of 14846
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Originally Posted by markm75 View Post

Thanks for the link.. i'm now playing with scaling options in my htpc to see if that was the issue for dlp-link and also considering just getting a pair of ir emitter type (in addition, if i get dlp-link working).. It appears it comes down to ultra clear dlp link from 3d heaven (plus the emitter) = $70 or the nxg-3dg glasses ($50 amazon).. though with the nxg's, i dont see a combo kit that is avail that includes the emitter.. does anyone know which emitter will work with the nxgs? (nxgs seemed to have better quality from what everyone said). Also, i see a nxg-3dgr (rechargeable for samsung c series on amazon), not sure if that will work as well.

I managed to get things partially working.. I definitely had to set underscan/overscan to a 1:1 ratio, 0% etc, then youtube 3d checkerboard was working.. I could not get TMT or PDVD 11 to work though, however i just discovered a manual display type setting in each and will try that later and see how it goes.

Thanks to a tip, i found out about an xbox 360 demo that worked in checkerboard.. "Invisible Tiger".. the effect was stunning even with the borrowed Eagle 510 glasses i currently have (particularly the blades of grass that seem to protrude from the screen).

*My question is if anyone has found some magic trick to avoid setting overscan/underscan to 0%, so the edges of the screen dont extend beyond the physical tv.. for those with a HTPC 3d setup?
post #14015 of 14846
Just an update on my 3d experience so far (HTPC, XBOX)


The key for PDVD and TMT was to go into settings on the dedicated TMT player (if this is used) or in the media center version, or in power dvd.. set the display to 3d dlp ready etc.. and change the format from auto to checkboard..
Everything works beautifully now.

I'm using the VXP/Future Cinema (Eagle 510) ebay glasses.. i'm not seeing any rainbows or red tint (failure to block dlp flash) on my hlt-6187S.. the quality seems very solid on the glasses and they work from 15 feet in my case.. rechargeable of course too.

*What is a bummer is that so far i cant figure out how to scale (underscan/overscan) the image from the intel hd graphics on the htpc, so that the edges of the screen arent lost (maybe 3/4" or less on all sides). For now i guess i may just program a hot key using a macro program to make the switch for 3d + harmony macro (intel doesnt have a hotkey for the profile unfortunately).

*I'm not sure, if i bought a different pair of dlp-link glasses down the road for comparison, if they would work at the same time or have issues (like say the ultra clear rechargeable from 3d heaven).

*Being able to test (Invisible Tiger demo) on 360 with a checkerboard option was nice as well.. but i guess this Tru3d $300 adapter is still needed for all games that are not checkerboard compatible correct? (I could have sworn the price to do this was much less as of today)

Here is a grand list of all 360 3D games i found as well: http://www.3dtested.com/3d-xbox-360-games-list/
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Curious, does anyone on here use the ceton cable card tuner and can you get 3D via windows media center? Is it as simple as selecting the 3d station, then setting the samsung to 3d mode and it just works? Info on this seems sketchy, other than i see that the card supports 3d, as it sends a raw signal.
post #14017 of 14846
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Originally Posted by markm75 View Post

Curious, does anyone on here use the ceton cable card tuner and can you get 3D via windows media center? Is it as simple as selecting the 3d station, then setting the samsung to 3d mode and it just works? Info on this seems sketchy, other than i see that the card supports 3d, as it sends a raw signal.

I can guess the answer is NO. This TV only natively supports checkerboard format. On my cable the 3D channels (all two of them) are not in this format. One channel is top-bottom format, and the other is side-by-side. In order to get my cable to work in 3D it needs to go through the Mitts 3DA-1 adapter to convert to checkerboard format. If that card is sending the raw signal than something needs to convert it to checkerboard for this set to display it in 3D.
post #14018 of 14846
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Originally Posted by nickels55 View Post

I can guess the answer is NO. This TV only natively supports checkerboard format. On my cable the 3D channels (all two of them) are not in this format. One channel is top-bottom format, and the other is side-by-side. In order to get my cable to work in 3D it needs to go through the Mitts 3DA-1 adapter to convert to checkerboard format. If that card is sending the raw signal than something needs to convert it to checkerboard for this set to display it in 3D.

If so, then yeah i guess having the mitts 3da-1 on the final link between receiver and tv should do the trick.
post #14019 of 14846
has one service repair manual for HL-T5687S thank
pls replay soke_doke2005@yahoo.com
post #14020 of 14846
http://www.samsung.com/us/capacitorsettlement/

A proposed Settlement has been reached in a class action lawsuit involving certain Samsung televisions. In cooperation with the District Court of Oklahoma County, Samsung Electronics America, Inc. is offering a settlement for certain Samsung-branded televisions manufactured prior to December 31, 2008. You may be entitled to receive the benefits of this proposed Class Action Settlement if you purchased, acquired or otherwise owned any of the following Samsung-branded televisions, and the television is experiencing or has experienced the "Covered TV Symptom(s)" as described in the proposed Settlement. The class action lawsuit alleges a defect that may cause the television to experience symptoms such as not turning on, experiencing a delay in turning on, making a clicking sound, cycling on and off, or other similar problems. Samsung denies the allegations in the lawsuit, but has agreed to settle the lawsuit to avoid the costs and uncertainty of continued litigation.


Model Number Serial Numbers
LCD TV ----- LN-T******/XAA; LN**A******XZA; LNS4041DX/XAA; LNS4051DX/XAA; LNS4052DX/XAA; LNS5296DX/XAA

Plasma TV ----- HPT5034X/XAA; HPT5044X/XAA; HPT5054X/XAA; HPT5064X/XAA; PN42A410C1DXZA; PN42A450P1DXZA; PN50A410C1DXZA; PN50A450P1DXZA; PN50A460S4DXZA

DLP TV ----- HLT5087SAX/XAA; HLT5087SX/XAA; HLT5089SAX/XAA; HLT5089SX/XAA; HLT5687SAX/XAA; HLT5687SX/XAA; HLT5689SAX/XAA; HLT5689SX/XAA; HLT6187SAX/XAA; HLT6187SX/XAA; HLT6189SAX/XAA; HLT6189SX/XAA


This class action lawsuit (the "Lawsuit") alleges a defect that may cause the Televisions to experience symptoms such as not turning on, experiencing a significant delay in turning on, making a clicking sound, cycling on and off, or other similar problems (the "Covered TV Symptom(s)").

If you have experienced a Covered TV Symptom(s), or if you experience a Covered TV Symptom(s) within eighteen months after March 2, 2012, the Settlement of this Lawsuit provides for Samsung Electronics America, Inc, ("SEA"), to offer you one or more of the following benefits, as applicable (please note that the following is only a summary of the benefits offered under this Settlement and that you must review the entire Notice to determine the conditions under which those benefits become available):
  1. a free service visit for qualifying Television (see section entitled "How Do I Qualify For A Free Evaluation" below) to determine if your Television has a problem covered by the Settlement and, if it does, to fix the problem (the "Settlement Warranty"); or
  2. the refund of expenses you incurred, prior to March 2, 2012, to evaluate or diagnose the problem covered by the Settlement; or
  3. the refund of expenses you incurred, prior to March 2, 2012, to fix the problem covered by the Settlement; or
  4. a $300 fully transferable debit card if you reported to SEA, prior to March 2, 2012, the problem covered by the Settlement, but did not get it fixed, and you now no longer possess your Television.
  5. A payment of $50 if, after March 2, 2012, you require more than one repair to fix the problem covered by the Settlement.
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removed for misinformation - oopsie
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If you have experienced a Covered TV Symptom(s), or if you experience a Covered TV Symptom(s) within eighteen months after March 2, 2012, the Settlement of this Lawsuit provides for Samsung Electronics America, Inc, ("SEA"), to offer you one or more of the following benefits, as applicable (please note that the following is only a summary of the benefits offered under this Settlement and that you must review the entire Notice to determine the conditions under which those benefits become available):

I have experienced the problem and am hoping I can fix and get reimbursed. At a suggestion previously posted, I ordered and installed the sub smp power supply. The unit now wants to turn on, but blinks the green light 14 times and then will eventually shut off. Prior to installing the new one the simptoms were similar, however it would continue to cycle and eventually just blink all three lights. I have ordered the smp power supply and am hoping this works. Has anyone had success replacing both of these and having your unit back?

PS the capacitors on the sub were definitely bad (three bulging).
post #14023 of 14846
Just called Samsung and they are going to replace all capacitors and the power supplies as needed free of charge. Glad I saw this, was about to start replacing other boards.

Thanks
post #14024 of 14846
It's been a long time since I last visited this forum, primarily because I haven't had any serious issues with my HLT5089S (which was a warranty replacement for my HLR5087W with the light tunnel issue).
I just received the capacitor class action notice, and I only experienced the issues one time. A few weeks ago, my TV just shut off, and wouldn't turn back on. After a few minutes, the TV was fine, and has been since. Do I or should I have my capacitors replaced?
Another issue that I have noticed since I received the TV is that there is a reddish-pink tint to what should be white (clouds, etc.), especially in the middle of the screen. Is this a separate issue? Does this need to be addressed?

Thanks for any answers, the AVS members have been great resources in the past.
post #14025 of 14846
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Great news for those with the Red LED issue

Why did you write that? This has nothing to do with the Red LED failing.

I have an HLT6187 and have not received the notice from Samsung. Anyone else in this situation?
post #14026 of 14846
I jumped the gun with celebrating the Red LED being covered, it is just a capacitor issue. How many problems do these sets have? Sorry for my misinformation above.
post #14027 of 14846
Hey I have a hlt6187sax/xaa and have just started to notice a few black dots on the screen. At first it was 2 now about a week later its 4. they look like stuck pixels. I read through a good bit of this thread and i'm guessing it's something wrong with dmd chip or dmd board. just needing some advice on what the culprit may be and if i can get a replacement part. also might this be covered under this lawsuit thing? thanks in advance
post #14028 of 14846
Incredibly good timing, in that mine just started this kind of behavior during the last few weeks, and now the announcement of the settlement. Mine is intermittent, frequently failing to start up properly first thing in the morning, and I sometimes have to pull power from the unit and reinsert it to get the set going. I'll be giving Samsung a call in the morning.

UPDATE: The call was pretty painless, and they are arranging with a local service Co. to arrange a service appointment for me. They are supposed to cal me in the next 48 hours.
post #14029 of 14846
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have not received the notice from Samsung. Anyone else in this situation?

bump
post #14030 of 14846
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Originally Posted by Hank View Post

I have an HLT6187 and have not received the notice from Samsung. Anyone else in this situation?

I haven't received any notice either, but there's no reason to wait. If you have the failures indicated in the agreement. Just call the number in the settlement, and they will arrange a service call, or if you have already spent money on repairing the failure, download the claim form to submit for repayment.
post #14031 of 14846
Well techs just left and said I did not have Capacitor issue because none of caps were bulging. Now I am not sure what it is. Takes 3-4 times of restarting every morning before it starts working. After that works fine rest of day unless it is off for a little while then same routine. This really sounds like Caps not charging to me....

Just FYI
post #14032 of 14846
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Originally Posted by ljbdlp View Post

Well techs just left and said I did not have Capacitor issue because none of caps were bulging. Now I am not sure what it is. Takes 3-4 times of restarting every morning before it starts working. After that works fine rest of day unless it is off for a little while then same routine. This really sounds like Caps not charging to me....

Just FYI

Wow. That sounds lame from a technical perspective. Electrolytic caps don't have to be deformed to be defective. It would be pretty easy to get a relative measurement of the ability of the caps to charge with an analog ohmmeter. Base on the symptoms, I would think it's a pretty good bet that you have the same problem.

I may have to take a closer look at the physical appearance of mine before the tech shows up. I took a casual look at the caps on the power board when I was changing the red led recently, and it seemed that a few of them show some slight distention at the cross-cut area on top of the caps, but none appeared totally blown out.

By the way, did they say anything about possibly charging you for the visit?
post #14033 of 14846
I agree....

They only stated if I wanted them to continue to troubleshoot it would be $75...I said "No Thanks" and signed the ticket.
post #14034 of 14846
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Originally Posted by ljbdlp View Post

I agree....

They only stated if I wanted them to continue to troubleshoot it would be $75...I said "No Thanks" and signed the ticket.

Caps are pretty cheap, so maybe it's time for some DIY troubleshooting and maintenance.

I took a quick look at mine, just to see if they will pass the physical test. All but one show some distention and separation of the metal at the cross on top, but none appeared to be totally blown out physically. Hopefully, that will satisfy their criteria. I'm attaching a couple of pics (sorry for the poor quality - difficult to focus in that tight environment) that I hope will illustrate what I have.
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post #14035 of 14846
I am going to pull it apart this weekend and get some numbers off the caps. Like you say it's not that hard to do...thought I might get it done for me..LOL

Good luck on yours!!
post #14036 of 14846
This reminds me of a PC industry incident several years ago. Seems a motherboard manufacturer, in efforts to maximize profit, chose the absolute cheapest electrolytic cap to use in the cap bank at the motherboard power input. Those caps popped and leaked and ruined thousands of motherboards. Probably 10 cents higher cost caps would have not failed - don't know if the mfgr went out of business, but may have.
post #14037 of 14846
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Originally Posted by Hank View Post

Seems a motherboard manufacturer, in efforts to maximize profit, chose the absolute cheapest electrolytic cap to use in the cap bank at the motherboard power input.

That may be true for some manufacturers, but for others it wasn't their fault.
http://badcaps.net/pages.php?vid=4
post #14038 of 14846
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Originally Posted by MLXXXp View Post

That may be true for some manufacturers, but for others it wasn't their fault.
http://badcaps.net/pages.php?vid=4

Interesting twist. Elecrolytics really are the weak sister in the electronics parts mix, I think. They undergo physical stress constantly, and their electrolyte is vulnerable to aging and evaporation. It takes me back to the good old days, supporting mainframes. We had power supply banks on each system that used an array of chopper regulator power supplies - each one containing 3 large electrolytics.

It didn't take us too long to realize that they aged and lost their capacity with some predictability, so that we were able to develop a preventative maintenance replacement program to avoid system outages. They never leaked, thank God, so no damage was done to the supplies when they failed.
post #14039 of 14846
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Originally Posted by ljbdlp View Post

Well techs just left and said I did not have Capacitor issue because none of caps were bulging. Now I am not sure what it is. Takes 3-4 times of restarting every morning before it starts working. After that works fine rest of day unless it is off for a little while then same routine. This really sounds like Caps not charging to me....

Just FYI

I meant to ask you if the techs at your home appeared to be prepared to actually replace the hardware during their visit, had they deemed it eligible, or if you had the impression they would be ordering hardware and making a second call to install?
post #14040 of 14846
I wondered that myself at first. I kept asking the dispatcher if they were going to take the TV and he said they could do it in house. The techs arrived with their tool bags so I guess they could have done it in place. I did not any notice parts with them.

Jeff
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