2007 Samsung LED Owner's Thread (HLT XX87/89S) - Page 11

That's right, and there doesn't seem to be an incentive to do so any time soon.

Correct, nothing yet.

well the question wasnt whether there is any source material yet or not cause i know there isnt and thats fine with me. If im spending $4000 on something i want it to work for future things and not just whats out right now.

So the question was whether or not the 89s can do deep color or not?

No one at AVS knows the answer to that, but my guess is that it's unlikely.

oh ok, but someone said there is a xycc color gaumet setting under the color gaumet options. So is that color space not the same as deep color? I guess its kidna confusing cause xycc widens the color space by alot and deep color has to do with color bit, ( raising it to 10 or 12 bit ) so isnt that basically the same thing?

Someone asked this earlier, but it was never answered...

If I utilized the three HDMI inputs on the HL-T5087S will the optical out jack provide audio from those devices to my reciever? I ask because Denon 4802 just doesn't do HDMI.

Will the Optical Audio out passthru audio from HDMI?

Thanks!

Okay this threat is getting long so ere let me post a couple of questions oter might be wondering also.
Will the LED set accept a 1080/24p signal?
How is PQ?
Any issues?
How is overscan?

Check out the AVS spell checker when you create a post, edit a post, or quote someone's post in a reply. My "typing/spelling" is so bad that I use the "Preview Post" option to read my posts before I do a "Submit Reply".


Yes. That was posted today by a friend of Eliab.

A post from Studio Dweller earliier today.


So far, if you use the right settings, it sounds like PQ is going to be very good.


Not so far, but it's early days right now.


It can be controlled better and/or easier than in previous years.

my onkyo 989 doesn't have hdmi either but i don't run the video through it anyway. is there a benefit to running your video through the receiver, seems like just another processor to possibly degrade the signal.

Only thing I can think of would be to allow for HDMI uncompressed audio from a device like the PS3. In Bluray movies, or games alike. So it seems the benefit is more audio centric, rather than video centric.
The only other thing would be to connect all your component through your video receiver if it upscales well, so essentially you only have 1 cable going to TV, a HDMI cable, and everything else is connected to the receiver.

You can't degrade a digital signal. Assuming the receiver does no scaling/deinterlacing on HDMI (which it wouldn't if the output matched the input), then there's no harm in switching digital video.

I've just seen the hl-t5689s at Vann's for what I think is a good price. It comes with a nice bundle too. What do you guys think? Free shipping too!

How come toslink never became the audio preference for everything? I mean its an easy hookup, most receivers have an input, and bandwidth is plenty for uncompressed signals. I know its off topic but Im just confused as to why they limit it so much.

Chris

One of the features of the T-xx89s is My Color Control.

"With My Color Control, you can customize pink, green, and blue colors to your taste without affecting the other colors on the screen."

This appears to be a color management system. I have one on my front projector and it also was on last year's Toshiba MX196. It is invaluable to get correct skin tones and to increase/decrease the levels of sky blue and grass green.

Would one of the owners of the T--xx89s please offer some insight on how it works, where it is located in the User Menu and the range of adjustments. Also does it adjust all source inputs universally at the same time or preferably, just individual source inputs.

Thanks.

Shelly

This is a feature available in the 87s as well, see page 29 of the user manual.

Not pointing this out to be a ninny, but there is debate about the "present/future utility" of features only found in the 89s, so it is a point worth noting, IMO.

To make things simpler, they are trying to eliminate as many connections as possible to make it easier for the user. Toslink, while still used widely, is just another connection that can be easily replaced by HDMI. To my knowledge also.....It was the connection itself, and not the actual fibre cable that limited it's bandwidth. Toslink apparently cannot handle DD TrueHD signals, as well as other lossless signals.

Correct me if i'm wrong Pro's!

Funny, when I read the Samsung spec sheets for the HL-TXX89S, I had the same impression; the sinking feeling that this 120Hz number refers to the wobulation rate and not a frame rate (however, I am a mere grasshoppa in the midst of many AVS Shaolin Priests , and didn't know whether to give any credence to my gut instincts).

I know that there were some large screen LCD HDTVs with 120Hz refresh rates (and the ability to input and display a 24fps signal by 5Xing the individual frames) announced/displayed at the 2007 CES, but I'm not sure if there are even many of these presently available retail; although I guess the new Sharp AQUOS LC-46/52D82/92Us are out now. I believe this is a feature that has been available on some front projectors (cathode raygun?) for quite some time (although, maybe not at 120Hz?).

It would be remarkable if these new Samsung LED DLPs could do the same; properly convert a 1080p 24fps signal to be displayed @ 120Hz (if the TVs truly have this refresh-rate capability; if not, that would be a very clever deception in the spec sheet by the marketing people @ Samsung ). Guess there is no point in speculating, though, until some owner can correctly test for this. I have no idea what this would involve, unless it was by use of a video test disc and eye visualization alone; Anyone . . . ? I am, however, very encouraged by everything else that I have heard thus far about these sets.

-john

Checking the manual for the HL-T6187S page 60 states the following:

"When this TV is used as a PC display, 32-bit color is supported."

Can this be taken literally and mean the device can display up to 32-bit color? Wouldn't going down to 10 or 12 bit color be simple at that point? Hell maybe I should just pick up the blue ray player for the PC.

On a side note. I picked up in store the new 2007 TR500X3B stand at CC with yesterdays easter sale discount they were doing. Pics when it's all put together tomorrow.

so is there no degradation on audio either? right now my tv doesn't have a hdmi connection and neither does my receiver so i separate the audio and video right out of the source running component to my tv and audio straight to the receiver, i tried running video through the receiver and also tried running audio through the tv I wasn't impressed with either hookup.


When i get a tv with hdmi should i continue to run a separate audio directly to the receiver or pass the audio through the TV?


another question I have is about the extended warranties. i have been looking at the online retailers because no one around here had the 5679. are the people who are buying at places like crutchfield getting the extended warranties and if so who have they had good luck with.


sorry if this isn't on topic but forum is so big having trouble finding what i'm looking for and this is the only thread i'm really following.

At the moment this is a very small owner's thread. Your post was number 325.

The comparable thread for 2006 owners, now one year old, has 17,520 posts at this moment.

If you are interested in these sets then this is the best time you will ever find to start reading at post number 1 and catch up.

It depends on the TV. There is no reason why you couldn't use HDMI to the TV for video and connect your audio the way you are doing it now.

There haven't been any TVs that would pass on 5.1 audio from an external source. It's expected that the Samsung sets will do that this year, but no one has reported trying it yet.

Mr Brian, I'm in the same boat. I have a 65" Mits CRT HDTV, and I was comparing a 61" and a 65" dlp tv side by side at BB today: I must say that I preferred the size of the 65". The 61" seemed small to me.

There would be no degradation in digital audio, either. I personally wouldn't run my audio from Source -> TV -> receiver, I'd go directly from Source -> Receiver. I highly doubt the Samsung passes HDMI audio directly, but I guess anything's possible. There's no real benefit in passing your audio through a TV anyway. The logical cabling is Source -> Receiver -> TV.

As far as TOSLINK goes, one of the major reasons it's not the de facto audio standard is it doesn't support copy protection like HDMI does (among other reasons). Plenty of discussion of this on just about every forum here related to audio if you want to get into the nitty gritty

You know I figured it would be something like that. They just need to get over the fact that not everything should be copy protected and locked down in a world that should give information out freely. Fiber has so many advantages over traditional wiring it should have been the standard a long time ago for video and audio.

any direct comparison from a HL-T6189S to a 60" XBR2?

Im beginning to think Im the only one who bought the hl-t5089..

I bought the 5087 if it makes you feel any better. I just won't get it for another week.

Somehow going from PA to OH then to VA is faster then going from PA to VA.

I agree that connection is ideal. But for some, not practical.
1) Not everyone has a receiver that has HDMI ports (Or enough)
2) Not everything we watch needs to be run though the receiver. Sometimes the 2 speakers in the TV will suffice. News and weather channels for example.

Having the connections go Source -> TV -> Receiver gives us more options.

As far as answering the original question....
IIRC, using the sets internal tuners will pass 5.1 sound on the optical out. Using external devices, (STB's, PS3, TivoS3...) the set will only pass 2 channel sound.

None that I have noticed. It seems to work beautifully with my Xbox 360.

Keep in mind though, you can only set this option when you are viewing 1080 content. You can't keep it turned on all the time. It's common sense really, but I just thought I'd clarify.

Would it work to keep it on all the time if all of your component sources (cable/satellite, DVD, etc.) upscaled to 1080 prior to sending the signal to the TV?