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post #3031 of 14462
6/3/07 at 7:46pm
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Originally Posted by bcvp View Post

Gtunney, I follow you, I just wanted to point that stuff out. I find people throw everything out the window when one set catches their eye in a store. lol. I think plasma is sharper/clearer/brighter especially the high end ones. It goes back to knowing the differences between them and what is important to you.


Yeah the 60 " Panny 1080p Plasma was 9999.99 at BB (CDN) lol thatsa pretty big difference from 2699.99 lol.

I dont thikn the "cost to ratio" is very good on that one

But I guess some people have the money !! Lucky them
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post #3032 of 14462
6/3/07 at 8:58pm
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Originally Posted by SeeSaw View Post

fish1050

This is very interesting. I had tried researching "Gamma" but as per your suggestion I had much better luck Googling "Gamma Correction". Originally I tried adjusting the Gamma during calibration but from your explanation and from what I've read on the Web I think a better method would be to set the Gamma and then do a DVE Calibration. Then move Gamma again and repeat the calibration. The one part of DVE calibration I have not quite been able to nail is the Tint adjustment using the red and green filters. Looks like I'm going to spend some more quality time staring at Reverse Gray Ramps, DVD Pluge and Color Bars .

Seesaw,

Yes you are right it would be best to set gamma first and then calibrate. I took it from the point of view that if you had calibrated the color and tint and then afterward wanted to experiment with the gamma setting then recalibration of color and tint would be needed. SEE MY COMMENTS FURTHER DOWN ABOUT RECALIBRATION WITH CCA TURNED OFF AND TINT ADJUSTMENT.
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post #3033 of 14462
6/4/07 at 3:39am
Hello,

My viewing distance is 11-12 feet. Which size model would you guys recommend, the 55" or the 61"?
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post #3034 of 14462
6/4/07 at 5:13am
Third one's a charm!
I exchanged my set for the second time on Saturday. Here's my summary:

Geometry has NO VISIBLE IMPERFECTIONS!!! This is on that I can't hardly believe, since I've always noticed at least some kind of pincushioning on RPTV's. This one just doesn't seem to have any, period.

NO GREEN PUSH!!! This is the big one for me. The TV doesn't have the green push that prompted me to return the second one.

In short, it's fantastic. The picture "POPS" and is 3d-like; everything looks great. Assuming it holds up a few months, I'll have it calibrated professionally.

I don't know if they've got some strange SM settings coming from the factory, or what the source of the green push is. But I didn't have it on the first one, and I don't have it on this one. If you have it, it's unmistakable; at least if you watch various programming materials.

So, I'm now a very happy customer. If the third one was bad, I was going to give up and just get the lamp version, or wait to check out the SONY A3000. Not any more!!!!
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post #3035 of 14462
6/4/07 at 5:55am
Your new set is like mine. No green push, no crooked lines and very good color. GJN
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post #3036 of 14462
6/4/07 at 7:27am
someguyinhb, at 11 to 12 feet, I would get the 72"! At that distance, the bigger the better.
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post #3037 of 14462
6/4/07 at 9:12am
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Originally Posted by Gurn Blanston View Post

someguyinhb, at 11 to 12 feet, I would get the 72"! At that distance, the bigger the better.

Its actually going in my bedroom. I'm sure 72" would be great for movies & sports, but it might be too much to look at before going to bed.
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post #3038 of 14462
6/4/07 at 12:01pm
Unfortunately, my hlt-5087s is going to have to be returned. The RBE is too much for me to bear... it does detract from the viewing experience quite a bit.


Such a shame too, what a wonderful set of displays Samsung has created here.... Other than the RBE, it's gorgeous.

I am guessing I'll have to go to SXRD, etc.


Farewell, HLT... if you hadn't have been so prismatic, i'd have loved you. :P
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post #3039 of 14462
6/4/07 at 12:21pm
I went to BB during the weekend and found the HLT6187S.

I asked to plug my "kill-o-watt" device into the TV to see how much wattage the LED set takes. They said no because of liability issues.

I have found out that a lamp based 50in Sammy takes 160 watts when fully on. So you have to figure that an LED based set would be much less in energy consumption.

Is there anyone out there that can verify the wattage of the HLT6187S or any of the HLT series?
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post #3040 of 14462
6/4/07 at 1:06pm
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Originally Posted by someguyinhb View Post

Hello,

My viewing distance is 11-12 feet. Which size model would you guys recommend, the 55" or the 61"?


Go BIG!
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post #3041 of 14462
6/4/07 at 1:12pm
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Originally Posted by someguyinhb View Post

Hello,

My viewing distance is 11-12 feet. Which size model would you guys recommend, the 55" or the 61"?

That is my viewing distance as well. Go with the 61". I did and I couldn't be happier. The 55" would of been to small.
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post #3042 of 14462
6/4/07 at 1:12pm
Eskimo My neighbor sees RBE on his 2006 SXRD but not on my hlt5687. Sony told him it must be his glasses. GJN
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post #3043 of 14462
6/4/07 at 1:47pm
Thanks guys...Order has been placed through Amazon for the HLT6187. I will let you know what I think of it when it arrives.

I've recently returned the Samsung LNT5265 LCD because of motion blur and graininess. It's a nice LCD, but watching sports on it is not very good.

xythander, does it look pretty big from that distance? I am hoping for a cinema-like experience.
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post #3044 of 14462
6/4/07 at 1:49pm
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Originally Posted by jnowak View Post

Eskimo My neighbor sees RBE on his 2006 SXRD but not on my hlt5687. Sony told him it must be his glasses. GJN

What your neighbor is calling rainbows can't be what people see on single chip RPTV sets. The SXRD sets are three chip technology.
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post #3045 of 14462
6/4/07 at 1:49pm
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Originally Posted by Seesaw View Post


The one part of DVE calibration I have not quite been able to nail is the Tint adjustment using the red and green filters. Looks like I'm going to spend some more quality time staring at Reverse Gray Ramps, DVD Pluge and Color Bars .

Seesaw,

Regarding the tint adjustment with green and red filters, I took David Abrams suggestion and turned off CCA in the service menu. Then I recalibrated all settings including the color and tint using DVE DVD and I was able to get the red, green and blue almost perfect using the filters. I only had to make a minor adjustment for tint 51 to green, color was the major adjustment (57). Like you I could not get color and tint properly set on my original calibration. Turning off CCA in the service menu I was able to get them very close with the filters. You have to write down your settings after calibration because once you go back into the service menu to turn on CCA all your settings will go back to the default. After turning CCA back on, exiting the service menu and changing settings back to new calibration values the picture looks awesome and I have no more green push at all.
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post #3046 of 14462
6/4/07 at 2:10pm
HTWAITS. How can an LED tv have Rainbows. I used to install tvs when I was in college. And keep up on the latest trends. The LED sets also use 3 color leds. How can you see rainbows on them? GJN
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post #3047 of 14462
6/4/07 at 2:19pm
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Originally Posted by DanielScott View Post

Hello everyone, I've been reading this thread for a few days and this is my first post. I just recieved my HL-T5689S and would like to ask David/Eliab (or anyone else) what/sharpness the optimal picture quality settings should be. I've adjusted the contrast/brightness etc. myself, but there are so many options and combinations that I am can't help thinking there will always be a better choice I know Eliab said he would post his findings for the best settings, but I think he might have forgot, or is really busy. I would love to have my new set professionally calibrated, but it just isn't an option right now (I shouldn't have even bought the TV ), anyways, your advice would be greatly appreciated David/Eliab/anyone.

DanielScott,

We did not forget about posting some starter settings, but the display Eliab was working on is also in need of some repair. I believe he is waiting until the repair is complete to finalize the settings.

As for the sharpness... There are edge enhancement circuits working even when you turn sharpness all the way down. In order to reduce all of the various image enhancement parameters there are several settings in the factory that need to be adjusted. That said, I would recommend turning DNIe off in the user menu and then turning sharpness down until you no longer see any edge enhancement, such as halos around objects.

Let us know how you make out.

Best,

Dave
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post #3048 of 14462
6/4/07 at 2:27pm
jnowak,

Rainbows are still visible on these single chip, 3-LED based, displays because the chip is time shared for each LED. Each LED is sequenced with the DMD in order to create the image. In a three chip system each LED would remain constant and light up each imager separately; however, in a single chip system this does not happen.

The 'rainbow effect' that people are still experiencing is the effect caused by the sequencing of the LEDs.

Best,

Dave
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post #3049 of 14462
6/4/07 at 2:28pm
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Originally Posted by someguyinhb View Post

Its actually going in my bedroom. I'm sure 72" would be great for movies & sports, but it might be too much to look at before going to bed.

I have the 56 "

11-12 you could get either 56 or 61, I would never do 72 at that feet....

Reason being a) vertical viewing angle is one of the cons in this TV.

Im at 10 Feet from my eye to the TV- from the start of the couch its about 9.5 feet.

If you do 12-12.5 im sure 61 will be fine.
I can honestly say i think 56 is big for my room and some of my friends say the same but you gotta go big!

It also depends on you, alot of people like sitting closer to the TV cuz it makes it seem bigger obv. Some people sit 7 feet from a 56 " and itll seem like a theatre hall because you have to scan your eyes on the screen, but that gets me headache playing games hours at a time lol. But the main reason for me is because I can see all the pixelating in games and graininess in channels and movies. But from 9.5-10 feet i dont.
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post #3050 of 14462
6/4/07 at 2:53pm
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Originally Posted by David Abrams View Post

jnowak,

Rainbows are still visible on these single chip, 3-LED based, displays because the chip is time shared for each LED. Each LED is sequenced with the DMD in order to create the image. In a three chip system each LED would remain constant and light up each imager separately; however, in a single chip system this does not happen.

The 'rainbow effect' that people are still experiencing is the effect caused by the sequencing of the LEDs.

Best,

Dave

I watched 'Letters from Iwo Jima' DVD last night via my HTPC and saw some pretty massive RBE in fast scenes or if I moved my eyes ever so slightly across the scene. The interesting note is that I have never seen this effect on other, suitably dark PC, HD, or SD material... or even other DVD's without signifcant effort. I can see how it can be highly distracting, even to the point of giving people headaches.

Taking off my glasses to watch (I have a very light prescription) helped to remove most of the RBE but not all.

I'm wondering what it was about this DVD that made the rainbow effect hit so strongly. Slower framerate? Though that doesn't make much sense since I was running the DVD through an HTPC with PowerDVD so the framerate should be stable at 60fps, no?
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post #3051 of 14462
6/4/07 at 2:57pm
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Originally Posted by Avio View Post

This is exactly what I need. I will use this procedure soon and let you know if any additions or corrections are necessary.

I've connected my laptop using the Monoprice "Super VGA HD15 M/M 25ft cable w/ Stereo Audio and Tripple shielded" and it's working fine.

I'm looking forward to getting rid of that pesky Overscan.

Thanks. Avio

My pleasure Avio! I'm glad it helps Looking forward to your comments and findings as you go through setting your PC picture.
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post #3052 of 14462
6/4/07 at 3:55pm
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Originally Posted by jnowak View Post

HTWAITS. How can an LED tv have Rainbows. I used to install tvs when I was in college. And keep up on the latest trends. The LED sets also use 3 color leds. How can you see rainbows on them? GJN

In addition to what David Abrams said, the LED light source is faster than the color wheel set, so it's possible that a different set of people will see rainbows on a LED set than those that see them on a color wheel set.

I don't see rainbows on color wheel sets, but it's possible that I might see them on a LED set. It's also possible that fewer people might see rainbows on LED sets.
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post #3053 of 14462
6/4/07 at 4:33pm
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Originally Posted by btdvox View Post

I have the 56 "

11-12 you could get either 56 or 61, I would never do 72 at that feet....

Reason being a) vertical viewing angle is one of the cons in this TV.

Im at 10 Feet from my eye to the TV- from the start of the couch its about 9.5 feet.

If you do 12-12.5 im sure 61 will be fine.
I can honestly say i think 56 is big for my room and some of my friends say the same but you gotta go big!

It also depends on you, alot of people like sitting closer to the TV cuz it makes it seem bigger obv. Some people sit 7 feet from a 56 " and itll seem like a theatre hall because you have to scan your eyes on the screen, but that gets me headache playing games hours at a time lol. But the main reason for me is because I can see all the pixelating in games and graininess in channels and movies. But from 9.5-10 feet i dont.

I've heard of people prefering to sit 7-8 feet from a 73" DLP...now thats BIG! I might be able to do that from my distance, but it is my bedroom. I don't want be stairing up at the ceiling before I hit the hay.
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post #3054 of 14462
6/4/07 at 4:36pm
I understand that these sets are built to last about 20,000 hours. At my rate, that'll last 8 years or so. Could the bulb be changed in these particular DLPs? If so, would it be as easy as previous DLPs without the LED Engine?
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post #3055 of 14462
6/4/07 at 4:49pm
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Originally Posted by someguyinhb View Post

Could the bulb be changed in these particular DLPs?

The LED unit is part of the light engine so it probably involves changing the light engine. They are definitely not user changeable.
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post #3056 of 14462
6/4/07 at 6:18pm
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Originally Posted by Cygnus311 View Post

I connected my MacBook to the HL-T6187S with a DVI to HDMI cable. I have the MacBook set to 1920 x 1080 resolution, overscan is unchecked, and the TV is set to Just Scan. There are about 2 inches of black on the sides and 1 inch on the top and bottom. How do I fill the screen?

Uncheck overscan. You check this for displays that overscan. I think the logic goes that if your TV overscans then the computer will underscan. So checking overscan causes the computer to underscan to cancel the TV overscan.

Let me know how much of the menu bar you see. I've heard people mention that just scan still results in a couple of % of missing pixels. I was hoping it was like LCD or plasma though.

Edit: I just noticed that you said overscan is unchecked. I don't have the tv.... yet to comment further. So now I'm puzzled.
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post #3057 of 14462
6/4/07 at 6:21pm
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Originally Posted by btdvox View Post

Yeah the 60 " Panny 1080p Plasma was 9999.99 at BB (CDN) lol thatsa pretty big difference from 2699.99 lol.

I dont thikn the "cost to ratio" is very good on that one

But I guess some people have the money !! Lucky them

ROTFL I ain't spending that kind of money!! The HL-T6189 lists for $3199 (US) and the new Panny 58" 1080p Plasma will list for $4799. At list it is still on the outer edge, but who knows what the discount prices will look like. For now, though, I'm still leaning to the HLT as I haven't seen the new Panny yet and the cost might just not be worth the PQ improvement in the end.
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post #3058 of 14462
6/4/07 at 6:34pm
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Originally Posted by Snuffy101 View Post

My present Sony LED RP set has had to have its light engine replaced twice in 3 years due to degradation of the image (green and pink clouds). The $200 UHP lamp has been replaced twice. ...


I think you have mistaken LED for LCD. The TVs in this thread don't have a lamp.
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post #3059 of 14462
6/4/07 at 7:13pm
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Originally Posted by Kagaden View Post

PC 0% Overscan Tutorial

Read Me: By default, when you connect your PC input there will be several inches of underscan. Following these simple steps should fill the picture on your HLTxxxx from a PC input with minimal picture loss. This method has only been tested by me with VGA input, feel free to give feedback on how this works with DVI/HDMI input.

Note: This does NOT fix bowing or pincushion only over/underscan of the picture.

Do these steps in order:

1) Go to Menu > Setup > PC.
2) Highlight "Auto Adjustment" and press "Enter". This will scan your signal and set your 'Image Lock': 'Coarse' and 'Fine' adjustments automatically. To put it bluntly, it will make sure that all of your PC image is showing.
3) Press the "P-Size" button on your remote.
4) Increase the size of the image several times, attempting to get the vertical length of the display perfectly set.
5) Move the image around and left align & vertically center it.
6) Repeat 4 and 5 until you have the vertical width (top to bottom) of the screen near perfect, and the left side aligned perfectly with the chassis.
7) Go to Menu > Setup > PC again.
8) Go to Image Lock > Coarse. The Coarse setting widens the right side of the picture by 1 pixel increments. This will allow you to adjust only the horizontal length of the screen so that it's perfectly set with the chassis. Adjust the "Coarse" setting until it is satisfactory and you should be done.

Feedback, comments, and questions welcome. I did this about a month ago and I'm explaining it from memory so I hope I didn't skip anything.

That is what I actually did for my Xbox 360 through VGA but when you are using DVI for your PC, "PC" is grayed out in the setup menu and I don't see an HDMI/DVI option in there. When you hit the P-Size button while utilizing VGA, it actually lets you change the screen size right there. In HDMI/DVI, the P-Size button just cycles through the various aspect ratios without the option of expanding the image on any of them.

I'll try to post some pics soon of it all.
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post #3060 of 14462
6/4/07 at 7:36pm
Finally got my 2nd HLT6187 last week and this one seems to be working quite well. I have no smudges, no green push, and maybe only a slight hum from the power supply and it only seems to be when i'm tuned into digital channles. Overall i'm very happy with this set and I'm glad I went ahead and got another on insted of jumping to a different brand.

I'm looking forward to trying some settings out.
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