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post #331 of 14847
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Originally Posted by Kagaden View Post

Checking the manual for the HL-T6187S page 60 states the following:

"When this TV is used as a PC display, 32-bit color is supported."

Can this be taken literally and mean the device can display up to 32-bit color? Wouldn't going down to 10 or 12 bit color be simple at that point? Hell maybe I should just pick up the blue ray player for the PC.

On a side note. I picked up in store the new 2007 TR500X3B stand at CC with yesterdays easter sale discount they were doing. Pics when it's all put together tomorrow.

Putting a blue-ray player on you PC won't help you. Part of the specs is the HDMI connection encryption that will not connect to a PC. The s-video is only capable of 720p output.
post #332 of 14847
I had a chance to measure my 6189S with a colorimeter over the weekend. I've attached the CIE diagram generated by the results that were collected.

I'm running in movie mode, warm1, sRGB. I have also already done basic contrast/bightness/tint/color/sharpness Avia/DVE adjustments.

It seems to me that my set is fairly accurate. The green primary is off a little, as is the yellow and cyan to a lesser extent. The white point is a little bit on the blue side, but not by much (about 6800K between 30 and 100 IRE).
LL
post #333 of 14847
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Originally Posted by heavyobjects View Post

Would it work to keep it on all the time if all of your component sources (cable/satellite, DVD, etc.) upscaled to 1080 prior to sending the signal to the TV?

Good question.

I see no reason why not, but unfortunately I have no way to confirm it for you. I assume that as long as the input ultimately receives a 1080 signal, regardless of where along the line it became 1080, the "just scan" option will probably work for you.
post #334 of 14847
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Originally Posted by Andyisc00l View Post

any direct comparison from a HL-T6189S to a 60" XBR2?

I am also interested in someone providing a comparison between the 6189S and 60XBR2. Mostly the PQ. Right now it looks like it's down to these two TV's for me.
post #335 of 14847
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Originally Posted by Oxide View Post

I've just seen the hl-t5689s at Vann's for what I think is a good price. It comes with a nice bundle too. What do you guys think? Free shipping too!

I ordered the 5689S from Crutchfield yesterday since they are only about an hour and half from me. It took a while to get past the $200 difference but in the end I went with the more local shop. However, I am now kicking myself because I didn't realize that the bundles at Vanns were free. I figured like most places they would be trying to move more merchandise by packaging them together. I called Crutchfield this morning to see if they could do anything for me and they left me very disappointed. If I had to do it all over again, I would go with Vanns even if they are in Montana. Oh well, you live and learn right. Now I just hope this TV is the bee's knees like I hear it is.
post #336 of 14847
Can anyone post pics of the set(s) with the lights on?

Thanks!
post #337 of 14847
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Originally Posted by dulsin View Post

Putting a blue-ray player on you PC won't help you. Part of the specs is the HDMI connection encryption that will not connect to a PC. The s-video is only capable of 720p output.

I assume you are kidding, right? Even then, these 2 jokes are too much for one post.
The other option is you are not very familiar with the subject. In that case, I suggest you visit the HTPC forum here and read through the PowerDVD Ultra thread.
post #338 of 14847
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

How do you tell when the banding is caused by the source, the transfer, the provider, or the calibration of the TV?

I can't really. All I can say is that when the same SD material from the same DVD player has no banding on my old trusty CRT TV, and banding on my Samsung HLN (passed through component, DVI and even VGA), as well as hi-def from a satellite PVR, that the reason is not in the source. I haven't been able to test a properly calibrated DLP display to see if it improves anything (in fact, the only displays that I've seen and were supposedly calibrated were some high end plasmas and demo front projectors) , but my bitter share of tweaking my own TV, PC, and whatnot, never as much as even removed one wrinkle from the banding on certain blue skies and deep waters.
Everyone here seems to be fixated on one particular digital artifact, and banding seems to be my poison now.
post #339 of 14847
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Originally Posted by Morseth View Post

I had a chance to measure my 6189S with a colorimeter over the weekend. I've attached the CIE diagram generated by the results that were collected.

I'm running in movie mode, warm1, sRGB. I have also already done basic contrast/bightness/tint/color/sharpness Avia/DVE adjustments.

It seems to me that my set is fairly accurate. The green primary is off a little, as is the yellow and cyan to a lesser extent. The white point is a little bit on the blue side, but not by much (about 6800K between 30 and 100 IRE).

I doubt that those very small deviations would be perceptible. This is VERY good performance, much better than the Sony SXRDs.
post #340 of 14847
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Originally Posted by StuckeyBoss View Post

Im beginning to think Im the only one who bought the hl-t5089..

I was going for the hlt5089 but my wife said "let's get the 56 " .. no argument from me.
post #341 of 14847
Any more reports of how this TV has been operating for the new owners? SD, HD, DVD, etc. All the talk of Hz and diagrams doesn't say a whole lot about how good the new LED's are in terms of real-world TV watching. Thanks.
post #342 of 14847
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Originally Posted by MLWings19 View Post

I ordered the 5689S from Crutchfield yesterday since they are only about an hour and half from me. It took a while to get past the $200 difference but in the end I went with the more local shop. However, I am now kicking myself because I didn't realize that the bundles at Vanns were free. I figured like most places they would be trying to move more merchandise by packaging them together. I called Crutchfield this morning to see if they could do anything for me and they left me very disappointed. If I had to do it all over again, I would go with Vanns even if they are in Montana. Oh well, you live and learn right. Now I just hope this TV is the bee's knees like I hear it is.

Wish I had known this before!!!! I ordered my 5689S at crutcfhield on sunday and it has been shipped yesterday (ETA Thursday)!!! should've ordered at Vann's, its $200 cheaper and bit closer to my location (might have gotten one day earlier). this long wait is killing me

By the way, I'm a noobie (both here and to HD), been following this thread for few days now I should say I'm quiet impressed and learned a thing or 2 about HD from all the Hard Core HD'ers!! here . I will post my initial impression (may be with pics) once I get my hands on this puppy
post #343 of 14847
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Originally Posted by StuckeyBoss View Post

Im beginning to think Im the only one who bought the hl-t5089..

You're not alone. I ordered one from Crutchfield, though I'm kicking myself after seeing the Vann's bundles. Hopefully their service and being only a state away from Crutchfield will get it to me faster, making it worth it. They ship from VA, right?
post #344 of 14847
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Originally Posted by MLWings19 View Post

I ordered the 5689S from Crutchfield yesterday since they are only about an hour and half from me. It took a while to get past the $200 difference but in the end I went with the more local shop. However, I am now kicking myself because I didn't realize that the bundles at Vanns were free. I figured like most places they would be trying to move more merchandise by packaging them together. I called Crutchfield this morning to see if they could do anything for me and they left me very disappointed. If I had to do it all over again, I would go with Vanns even if they are in Montana. Oh well, you live and learn right. Now I just hope this TV is the bee's knees like I hear it is.

Vann's free shipping is only curbside while Crutchfield's is "white glove". Vann's does offer an upgrade to in home delivery but that is $250. I am not comfortable with the curbside delivery and didn't really need any of the bundle items so to me I still got the better deal.
post #345 of 14847
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Originally Posted by ditcho View Post

I can't really.

True. Neither can I.

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All I can say is that when the same SD material from the same DVD player has no banding on my old trusty CRT TV, and banding on my Samsung HLN (passed through component, DVI and even VGA), as well as hi-def from a satellite PVR, that the reason is not in the source.

Your old TV, being phosphor based, is subject to blooming which will cover banding or false contouring. A smaller screen size will also help cover up banding that's in the source.

I'm not saying that your HLN doesn't contribute it's share. But SD TV, by definition, will contribute to banding. So will satellite compression and PVR compression if it's being used.

If you take "Finding Nemo" around to every high end setup you can find, there will always be banding in the opening, going into the mine field, and down into the deep where the angler fish is waiting. The banding in "Nemo" is in "Nemo".

Our HLP has been calibrated, and doesn't produce banding in scenes where I'm positive there isn't any in the source. But it may still cause some banding where I'm not sure of the source. Sunday we were watching SD TV (BBC) material which had some banding in it. I don't know if it was the DVD source, my OPPO DVD player, or the TV. In this case I suspect it was the SD DVD.
post #346 of 14847
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Originally Posted by StuckeyBoss View Post

Im beginning to think Im the only one who bought the hl-t5089..

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Originally Posted by 2&2 View Post

You're not alone. I ordered one from Crutchfield, though I'm kicking myself after seeing the Vann's bundles.

I ordered the HL-T5089 from Crutchfield too, but who knows when it'll get here. I have a fairly decent 7 MP camera (and a tripod) that I plan to take some shots with when I get the HDTV.

I'm upgrading everything, the next purchase will probably be the Onkyo HT-SR800 HTIB and an OPPO 981.
post #347 of 14847
What happen with BB and CC????

I really want to buy this tv...

:-(
post #348 of 14847
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Originally Posted by nash0r View Post

... I highly doubt the Samsung passes HDMI audio directly, but I guess anything's possible. There's no real benefit in passing your audio through a TV anyway. The logical cabling is Source -> Receiver -> TV.

The manual says the HL-T series will pass 5.1 audio friom HDMI to to digital audio out. (anyone test it yet???)

Advantages of connecting device directly to TV:

1. You can use individual video settings per device.

2. Simpler cabling

3. Simpler control

4. You can use the TV without turning on the receiver. And when you do that you can take advantage of the "SRS TruSurround XT" to get better sound quality.
post #349 of 14847
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Originally Posted by Morseth View Post

I had a chance to measure my 6189S with a colorimeter over the weekend. I've attached the CIE diagram generated by the results that were collected.

I'm running in movie mode, warm1, sRGB. I have also already done basic contrast/bightness/tint/color/sharpness Avia/DVE adjustments.

It seems to me that my set is fairly accurate. The green primary is off a little, as is the yellow and cyan to a lesser extent. The white point is a little bit on the blue side, but not by much (about 6800K between 30 and 100 IRE).

Morseth, how are you taking that reading if I may ask? Spyder or something similar?

TIA. I'm waiting for my shipment at home right now and hoping I can achieve a similar quality. Your results look very promising!
post #350 of 14847
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Originally Posted by Gene S View Post

I agree that connection is ideal. But for some, not practical.
1) Not everyone has a receiver that has HDMI ports (Or enough)
2) Not everything we watch needs to be run though the receiver. Sometimes the 2 speakers in the TV will suffice. News and weather channels for example.

Having the connections go Source -> TV -> Receiver gives us more options.

As far as answering the original question....
IIRC, using the sets internal tuners will pass 5.1 sound on the optical out. Using external devices, (STB's, PS3, TivoS3...) the set will only pass 2 channel sound.


wait why would you go source->tv->reciever. why not source->reciever->TV?
post #351 of 14847
Well I am sitting here ready to click "submit order" from a certain site to buy the HL-T6189S. Should I or shouldn't I?.....yes/no, yes/no.....
post #352 of 14847
I'm confused. How can people find all this time to post technical information about their new tv, but can't spend 5 minutes to take a picture for people to see? I would want to show it off. We have 356 posts in an owners thread with maybe 2 pictures in the whole thread.
post #353 of 14847
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Originally Posted by MLWings19 View Post

I ordered the 5689S from Crutchfield yesterday since they are only about an hour and half from me. It took a while to get past the $200 difference but in the end I went with the more local shop. However, I am now kicking myself because I didn't realize that the bundles at Vanns were free. I figured like most places they would be trying to move more merchandise by packaging them together. I called Crutchfield this morning to see if they could do anything for me and they left me very disappointed. If I had to do it all over again, I would go with Vanns even if they are in Montana. Oh well, you live and learn right. Now I just hope this TV is the bee's knees like I hear it is.

You didn't make a mistake. The bundled items don't appear to me to be free as the discount for the TV by itself in my shopping cart is $200, from a list of $2,799 to $2,599. You end up with a discount of about $80 on the bundled items which is OK if you want them, I do not.

I am tempted to order from Crutchfield for the white glove service so that I don't have to worry about having my wife help me lug the set inside the house, unpack it, do something with the packing material plus inspect for shipping damage and have her crumble in tears if everything isn't just perfect.
post #354 of 14847
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Originally Posted by gxer View Post

Y... and have her crumble in tears if everything isn't just perfect.

Her or you?
post #355 of 14847
Anyone else have a Harmony and have issues getting input changes to work correctly with their HL-Txx87S? Of course there is nothing in their database yet, so I made a quick attempt at using another units settings... but so far its not ideal.

Besides that and some odd blue flaring I have seen on bright lights with an odd BDROM on the PS3, I am liking my unit so far.
post #356 of 14847
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

In this case it's the firmware of the STB that's causing a problem.

Pardon my ignorance, but what the heck is the STB?
post #357 of 14847
So has anyone figured out yet if the dsiplay rate is actually 120hz and isnt 60hz x 2 and beign wobbulated to 120hz?
post #358 of 14847
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Originally Posted by Kagaden View Post

Morseth, how are you taking that reading if I may ask? Spyder or something similar?

Yes, I was using a Spyder2.
post #359 of 14847
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Originally Posted by 92westshady View Post

Pardon my ignorance, but what the heck is the STB?

Set Top Box; a cable or satellite tuner and/or Digital Video Recorder (DVR).

It's interesting that at Google you have to select from a list to get this link for "STB".

Google searching for STB

Searching at Wikipedia requires selecting from a list too.

Wikipedia searching for STB

STB seems to be a popular acronym, but between Google and Wikipedia it's usually possible to find a translation that fits. I hate acronyms, but they are hard to get along without.
post #360 of 14847
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Originally Posted by gxer View Post

You didn't make a mistake. The bundled items don't appear to me to be free as the discount for the TV by itself in my shopping cart is $200, from a list of $2,799 to $2,599. You end up with a discount of about $80 on the bundled items which is OK if you want them, I do not.

I am tempted to order from Crutchfield for the white glove service so that I don't have to worry about having my wife help me lug the set inside the house, unpack it, do something with the packing material plus inspect for shipping damage and have her crumble in tears if everything isn't just perfect.

When you select the bundle it should say $0 for the XM player and the Harmony remote. I have heard nothing but good things about those remotes. I am tempted to get one for my parents so as to stop the almost constant phone calls when they want to watch a DVD or play music.
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