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post #7021 of 14462
10/15/07 at 9:00pm
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Originally Posted by Andym22 View Post

That's because everyone that settles on this TV hopes they get one without the prism. All TV's have one issue or another that the buyer has to deal with. For me it wasn't even very close between this and the Sony 55A3000 as the LED technology trumped all else but the HLT's also had a superb picture and feature set. Without the stupid prism this would be the perfect TV which is why it is so frustrating to everyone.


Well said Andym22.
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post #7022 of 14462
10/15/07 at 10:09pm
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Originally Posted by fraddi View Post

Does anyone here know what are or might be the specs for the new DLPs for 2008?? New darkchip4?? hopefully they will have worked out some of the kinks from this years 1st led dlp models

fraddi We won't know until January 2008 when they make their annoucement what they may or may not change for the new models coming out. However this current model tv is not their 1st generation. This is actually their 2nd year with this technolgy. In 2008 models it will be the 3rd generation.

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post #7023 of 14462
10/15/07 at 11:43pm
Those of you with the prism issues; is this something that was there from the very beginning or did it develop over time?

Just asking because I am considering this set.

Also, can David Abrams or any other ISF calibrator chime in on how well they calibrate? I hear they do very well after ISF'd.
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post #7024 of 14462
10/16/07 at 6:43am
It would seem the theory of later models having worse prism problems might hold some water as the reports seem to be increasing... Either that or the thread is simply getting more traffic. Whichever it is, the issue sure seems VERY widespread.
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post #7025 of 14462
10/16/07 at 7:24am
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Originally Posted by BluesK1d View Post

It would seem the theory of later models having worse prism problems might hold some water as the reports seem to be increasing... Either that or the thread is simply getting more traffic. Whichever it is, the issue sure seems VERY widespread.

Maybe it is physcosomatic?
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post #7026 of 14462
10/16/07 at 7:47am
Just got my HLT-6187S, looks great. HDMI input said "not supported mode", assuming it's just an issue with my cable box outputting 480i and need to always force 1080i? But I already noticed some smudges in between the screens, have to call Samsung on that one, anyone gotten that fixed ok without replacement TV? Or is it a gamble since could effect the geometry?

Haven't had time to calibrate but I watched discovery HD for a little bit and think I saw the halo/prism problem, have to check more tonight. My question is, what build date are people getting from in stores, where there doesn't seem to be many issues. I got mine from Amazon today, it had a build date of July 2007. Wondering if theres so much inventory in warehouses from online that the issue has been corrected on in-store models where they've been refreshing inventory more? Anyway, just a thought.
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post #7027 of 14462
10/16/07 at 8:30am
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Originally Posted by Sabaron View Post

Just got my HLT-6187S, looks great. HDMI input said "not supported mode", assuming it's just an issue with my cable box outputting 480i and need to always force 1080i? But I already noticed some smudges in between the screens, have to call Samsung on that one, anyone gotten that fixed ok without replacement TV? Or is it a gamble since could effect the geometry?

Haven't had time to calibrate but I watched discovery HD for a little bit and think I saw the halo/prism problem, have to check more tonight. My question is, what build date are people getting from in stores, where there doesn't seem to be many issues. I got mine from Amazon today, it had a build date of July 2007. Wondering if theres so much inventory in warehouses from online that the issue has been corrected on in-store models where they've been refreshing inventory more? Anyway, just a thought.

I have same issue. My build date is July 07 also RE01. HL-T5087S
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post #7028 of 14462
10/16/07 at 8:36am
I watched a display 6187 TV at The Brick (Canadian retail chain) for about 30 minutes. It was flawless, and in scenes with simultaneous light and dark areas where, I would expect the halo/prisms, there were none. And it was a very cheap price too! About $500 less than I paid for it 2 months ago.
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post #7029 of 14462
10/16/07 at 8:52am
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

Those of you with the prism issues; is this something that was there from the very beginning or did it develop over time?

Just asking because I am considering this set.

Also, can David Abrams or any other ISF calibrator chime in on how well they calibrate? I hear they do very well after ISF'd.

I noticed my prism/halo right out of the box and then even more so as I watched the set for a few weeks.

After the Samsung tech came and gave my TV it's brain transplant I was thrilled that the halo was completely gone.
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post #7030 of 14462
10/16/07 at 9:03am
I finally received by 5689S last week (it had been on backorder for a month from the place I ordered it from). I was expecting it to have a very recent manufacture date, but the set I received had a date of May 97. So far I have had no problems, no blue prism that I have seen, no bowing,etc. I hope it stays that way! It seems that a lot of the people on this forum who have had the issue had sets manufacutured in August. I wonder if something went wrong around that time.
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post #7031 of 14462
10/16/07 at 9:48am
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Originally Posted by David Abrams View Post

Greetings,

As many of your know, Eliab and I have been traveling the country calibrating many of these displays. During our procedure we have been updating the firmware, when necessary, in order to achieve the increased functionality/stability that comes with an update. That said, I had my first 'software update' failure occur yesterday. The set recognized the firmware, asked if I wanted to update it, and we continued. At about 45% through the update process, the display had an error message stating that the USB device could not be found, it then went black for approximately three minutes and turned itself off. This was unrecoverable.

The USB drive has been checked and verified to be ok. This particular drive has been used on other HL-T displays to update the firmware as is. Please be aware that even if you have used the drive before to update the firmware on a display, it could still fail - updating firmware is at your own risk.

Anyhow, I just wanted to give you all a heads up.

Good Pictures!

Dave

This happened to me. I was within the 30 day return window.
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post #7032 of 14462
10/16/07 at 9:53am
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Originally Posted by hiyman View Post

Sony dropped the price of the A3000 by about $400 which actually makes them a lot cheaper than the Samsung. I have a Samsung with the Halo/prism and am getting a new DMD module soon. If that doesn't fix it I am getting a replacement and if that doesn't work I will have the Sony. Gosh I hope it works because I really like this Tv.

Well, I was comparing the 89S to the XBR5's that Sony has. 60" XBR5 is $2,000 more than the 61" 89S. Looking at the specs, the 89S compares to Sony's XBR5 series, which is Sony's top of the line stuff. I'm still going to wait until 2008 and see if Samsung fixes the issue or comes out with the next series in line.

Plus I heard Sony was deciding whether to use LEDs for the XBR5's, but they didn't. They stuck with a lamp, so Samsung would really have to tick me off to go in that direction.
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post #7033 of 14462
10/16/07 at 10:02am
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Originally Posted by Andym22 View Post

... Without the stupid prism this would be the perfect TV which is why it is so frustrating to everyone.

Exactly.

Even if the prism problem exists, it is fixable, and I would want Samsung to cooperate with me on it. If I call them up and I tell them it's a prism issue, they need to say "Ok, we will fix it", and not tell me it's the DMD or the main board or something like that (Like some of the people on here had to go thru). If they don't want to take my word for it, then fine, but when the tech comes out and he knows it's the prism problem, then they should let him fix.
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post #7034 of 14462
10/16/07 at 10:26am
I've had my HL-T6187S since September 1, and still no problems - beautiful image.
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post #7035 of 14462
10/16/07 at 10:37am
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Originally Posted by surma884 View Post

Exactly.

Even if the prism problem exists, it is fixable, and I would want Samsung to cooperate with me on it. If I call them up and I tell them it's a prism issue, they need to say "Ok, we will fix it", and not tell me it's the DMD or the main board or something like that (Like some of the people on here had to go thru). If they don't want to take my word for it, then fine, but when the tech comes out and he knows it's the prism problem, then they should let him fix.

From what I could gather they WERE doing just that but ran out of Light Engines so they really had no choice but to try some different repairs like the DMD board which you mentioned. Problem with that is that it does not fix the problem. Local repair company said it likely would but I doubt it. Also they have to disassemble the optics to replace a DMD board which means it could introduce new problems.
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post #7036 of 14462
10/16/07 at 10:44am
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

Those of you with the prism issues; is this something that was there from the very beginning or did it develop over time?

had it from the beginning, doesn't seem to be getting better or worse, build date August 2007: I didn't exchange the set or call for repairs yet because I'd rather put up with a bit of prism than maybe get a set with geometry problems etc. once the situation with the light engines is stable again (i.e. they are available again) I will call in the repair.

Also, anybody in Canada (esp. Vancouver area) tried to get their prism fixed? what did they say up here? did they try to gloss over things or were they responsive?
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post #7037 of 14462
10/16/07 at 11:03am
Im up in Calgary Alberta (Canada) and am going thru the motions with Samsung on replacing the light engine. The tech took one look at it, and ordered a new light engine without hesitation. My light engine has been ordered, and it is backordered by a two week period. The tech had seen a few halo problemed machines here in Calgary - all August builds. I have a HLT6189s.
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post #7038 of 14462
10/16/07 at 12:21pm
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Originally Posted by surma884 View Post

Well, I was comparing the 89S to the XBR5's that Sony has. 60" XBR5 is $2,000 more than the 61" 89S. Looking at the specs, the 89S compares to Sony's XBR5 series, which is Sony's top of the line stuff. I'm still going to wait until 2008 and see if Samsung fixes the issue or comes out with the next series in line.

Over in the XBR5 thread, they said Sony has cancelled all but the 70" XBR5 model anyway. So you either do the XBR2 or A3000 for a 60" Sony RPTV.
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post #7039 of 14462
10/16/07 at 12:25pm
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Originally Posted by hiyman View Post

Sony dropped the price of the A3000 by about $400 which actually makes them a lot cheaper than the Samsung.

That's only $250 cheaper than what Tweeter is carrying the 6189 for right now.
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post #7040 of 14462
10/16/07 at 12:38pm
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Originally Posted by Hank View Post

I've had my HL-T6187S since September 1, and still no problems - beautiful image.

Same here, got my HLT6189S in late August and no issues so far. Against my better judgment I actually went looking for the prism issue a couple weeks ago but do not have it. Couldn't find anything that looks like the pics I've seen here.

Picture quality is outstanding IMO.
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post #7041 of 14462
10/16/07 at 12:43pm
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Originally Posted by ckaiser View Post

I noticed my prism/halo right out of the box and then even more so as I watched the set for a few weeks.

After the Samsung tech came and gave my TV it's brain transplant I was thrilled that the halo was completely gone.

What exactly is a brain transplant? Is it the entire light engine?
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post #7042 of 14462
10/16/07 at 12:48pm
Hi all, I just wanted to report back on my HLT-5687s. Purchased around 10/1. I do love the picture quality but I am seeing the halo prism now in some scenes. It's not overly annoying at this time but it's bothersome that it's now there.

I have a slight geometry issue with the upper right corner as well, angled up, but it doesn't bother me.

I will continue to test it as I have 30 days before return... I think I'll keep it though and go through warranty for future swaps if needed. I'm not a fan of LCD since I work on them daily and see the dead pixles and refresh rate issues... not to mention my eyes tend to not like LCD after a few hours a day.

I'll post back if I run into more issues.
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post #7043 of 14462
10/16/07 at 12:59pm
I have a 6187 with a build date of July 2007 and I had the halo/prism right of the box and it hasn't changed at all. Also I seem to have a problem with blonde haircolor. It always seems to be to yellow or greenish. Doesn anyone else have this problem with hair color. I am using the settings that I have gotten off of this forum and have tried other settings but the blond hair doesn't really change.
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post #7044 of 14462
10/16/07 at 1:05pm
Just to give everyone an update on my halo/prism issue. I had a service tech come out and he replaced the entire light engine. The new light engine ALSO had the halo problem. On top of that, it must not have been properly calibrated because now everything has a green cast to it. Even better, the technician cracked the bottom plastics on the screen when putting it back up on my stand. So in my case, this was a big step backwards. I was better off not having it repaired in the first place. Im now in contact with Samsung and the store i purchased it at to try and get a (3rd) replacement set. At this point im not even sure i want another HL-T6189S
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post #7045 of 14462
10/16/07 at 1:10pm
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Originally Posted by Vise View Post

Same here, got my HLT6189S in late August and no issues so far. Against my better judgment I actually went looking for the prism issue a couple weeks ago but do not have it. Couldn't find anything that looks like the pics I've seen here.

Picture quality is outstanding IMO.


Looks like they are shipping all the good ones to Canada!

...LOL

Which is good, because I get my 6187S tomorrow!
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post #7046 of 14462
10/16/07 at 3:30pm
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Originally Posted by hiyman View Post

Sony dropped the price of the A3000 by about $400 which actually makes them a lot cheaper than the Samsung. I have a Samsung with the Halo/prism and am getting a new DMD module soon. If that doesn't fix it I am getting a replacement and if that doesn't work I will have the Sony. Gosh I hope it works because I really like this Tv.

Don't know what price you are seeing...but I was at Fry's yesterday and the HLT6187 was at 1799.
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post #7047 of 14462
10/16/07 at 3:48pm
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Originally Posted by La Costa CA View Post

Don't know what price you are seeing...but I was at Fry's yesterday and the HLT6187 was at 1799.

Fry's is $1899 today, and yes that is a really good price. But that is a sale price which is only $100 cheaper than the Sony 60A3000 at its regular price. Most places are at least $300 more for the Samsung. But if they get rid of the prism, it is well worth buying the Samsung over the Sony.
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post #7048 of 14462
10/16/07 at 4:14pm
You all are scaring the crap out of me on these xx87 models and screens going dark...

I was going to go w/ the Sammy LN-T4671 LCD, but there is a Triple Ball Effect (TBE) on these models (like 3 footballs going down the field) for say a bomb..

Also hockey shows 3 pucks instead of one.

I was told DLP does not have that TBE fault, but crap - this screen darkening sounds even worse..

What the ....


I would like a 46 to 50" HDTV capable of 1080p...


Any comments out there, I can only do about 13" deep also as I just built a wall cavity for the new TV..



Help please...
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post #7049 of 14462
10/16/07 at 8:01pm
I would like when I hit a button (say DVD or CABLE STB) on my remote the television will automatically change to the correct input. Anyway to set that up, I can't find it in the manual.
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post #7050 of 14462
10/16/07 at 10:41pm
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Originally Posted by josborne1 View Post

...For what this TV costs hearing popping noises intermittently after the TV heats up seems crazy to me especially when you can hear it over the TV audio. On top of that I have had the TV for about 6 weeks and it only started doing this a few weeks back. What would be the reason for it to start now if it didn't do it since day one?.....Samsung support has been called.....

I just got mine less than a week ago, HLT-6187S. I first noticed this popping sound on the second or third day. It didn't do it at first and as obvious as the noise is, I would have noticed if it happened then.
So is this something we just have to put up with??
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