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post #7681 of 14848
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Originally Posted by quacktastic View Post

So, I started reading through this thread as I recently purchased a hl-t6189s. I read through about 30 pages of thread and decided to check what page the last was on (which is somewhere in the 250's or so), and decided I'd just ask instead of trying to read through 250+ pages. I have noticed a twinkle effect on the TV, and I'm curious if anybody else knows anything about this. It's starting to drive me crazy, as I now notice it in everything I see. Essentially, it looks as each individual pixel has a multicolored twinkle to it. Is this a known problem with the LEDs? Would I be better off just getting a standard bulb display?

I haven't noticed anything else other people talk about (RBE, etc), but this is possibly a deal breaker for me. Any help would be much appreciated.

The twinkle effect when watching a DLP is normal. Its not related to the light source (LED versus bulb) but its either a bit of video noise or how the light hits the screen and sparkles slightly. Other RPD''s also show this sparkling.
post #7682 of 14848
Just asking since the 6187 has really come down in price ($1928 shipped from plasmabay.com), while it seems the 6189 is still holding strong on price. Home renovations are complete, I am now ready to purchase (the drywall dust has finally settled).

Mike
post #7683 of 14848
Hi everyone,

I'm a new member and this is my first post to the AVS forums. I've just finished reading this entire thread (whew! ).

I bought an HL-T5687S on Oct. 17 from a large chain store with the same initials as Big Box. I bought it to upgrade from my 3 year old HL-P4663W.

I'm having some problems which I'll describe later. For now I'll just say hello, so I can get my post count up in order to be able to post URLs.

Hello

Regards,
Scott
post #7684 of 14848
Continued from post #7693

I bought an HL-T5687S on Oct. 17 from a large chain store with the same initials as Big Box. When the set was delivered it had the buzzing sound, with volume relative to the brightness of the LEDs, that has been mentioned a few times in this thread.

The buzzing was very loud. It could be heard from virtually anywhere on the 1st floor of my 1600 sq. ft. house. I had this set exchanged without doing any more testing on it.

The second set also has the buzz. It's much quieter than the first set but louder than the cooling fan. When things are quiet, I can hear it from my seat nine feet away. I've read that this buzz comes from the LED power supply, which makes sense.

I decided to use the set for a while to make a decision on whether the level of noise was tolerable. I then noticed a second problem, which I'll talk about in my next post. (Still getting my post count up in order to post URLs).

Regards,
Scott
post #7685 of 14848
Continued from post #7694

More on my Samsung HL-T5687S.

In addition to the buzz described in my previous post, I also noticed the purple distortions that are being referred to as the "halo/prism" problem in this thread. I'll give details in my next post where, hopefully, I'll be able to post URLs.

Regards,
Scott
post #7686 of 14848
Continued from post #7695

I have the "halo/prism" problem with my HL-T5687S. Based on what I read here, it's pretty bad on my set. Here's an example using a test image that I created:
blueblob

Here's an example using an all black picture and bringing up the WiseLink menu for the picture:
menu

The problem is frequently noticeable during regular viewing as well. I could probably come up with a more obvious example, but I had to laugh at the coincidence of this one. (They're speaking Japanese. The caption is part of the original broadcast. I didn't add it.) You can see the halos below Hiro's ear. Also, purple smudges under the letters "is every" and to the left of the point between the girl's finger and thumb. This image is overexposed by 1 stop to highlight the problem but they appear at least this bad when viewed. Eyes can pick out these things better than a camera can.
heroes

Using the WiseLink viewer with JPEG images that I created, I also found another reflection that appears as a reddish beam of light when there is bright light in the upper corners. This is very faint and probably not noticeable during regular viewing. Here's an example:
redline

If you want to test your set for the halo/prism problem, you can use my test images, in addition to the tests already made available in other postings in this thread. Grab the following tv_tests.zip file. Unzip and load the images onto a flash drive, or something else that you can read from the "Wiselink" USB port, and view them. The images are of size 1920x1080 and each consists of a single white circle on an all black background. The circles are each on a point of a 16 by 9 grid. In the "a" series, the circles are 120 pixels in diameter. The "b" series are 240 pixels in diameter. The file names indicate the row_column position of the circle in the grid. I get the most noticeable effects from row 5 downwards and around columns 4-6 or 11-13. Dont worry about the roughness around the edges of the circles. These are just artifacts due to heavy JPEG compression.
tv_test

Another thing you can do is display image a_05_08.jpg. Press "info" to bring up the menu and then zoom the image to 2X. You can then use the arrow keys to move the circle to anywhere on the screen.

There are some additional 1920x1080 image files in the package. black.jpg is all black. white.jpg, red.jpg, green.jpg and blue.jpg are white and colours at full intensity. grey.jpg is all colours at 50%. Note that these images may not be perfect, again due to JPEG compression artifacts.

grid.jpg is a white grid on black that you can use to check the linearity, alignment, and maybe focus and chromatic aberrations, of your set. The lines are two pixels wide and 40 pixels apart. The centre vertical and horizontal lines are 4 pixels wide. The borders (which you probably won't see due to overscan) are one pixel wide.

If you want to see what people call the "rainbow effect" (RBE) and don't normally see it (I don't), you can probably see it using grid.jpg. Rotate your head quickly back and forth, causing your eyes to scan the screen. The vertical lines should break up into multiple colours.

Now, as for the situation with my set. A technician from a Samsung authorised company came to look at my set. He said he'd never seen these models before and didn't have any information on them. He didn't even know that Samsung made LED illuminated DLP sets. He made notes on my problems and said he would contact Samsung about them. On Mon. Nov. 5 I got a phone message from him saying that Samsung was sending parts to fix the problems and he would contact me when they were in. I haven't yet called to see what parts they are or when they should arrive. Hopefully it's a complete new light engine, or this new black coloured lens assembly that's been mentioned. I'll keep you posted.

Regards,
Scott
post #7687 of 14848
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Originally Posted by JohnAV View Post

The twinkle effect when watching a DLP is normal. Its not related to the light source (LED versus bulb) but its either a bit of video noise or how the light hits the screen and sparkles slightly. Other RPD''s also show this sparkling.

I've read some people theorize that the LED driven Samsung's have a high gain screen, as LEDs are inherently dimmer. In essence, the screen design is different to be able to look just as bright as bulb driven units, even though the light source is not. This could also contribute to an elevated level of SSE with the LED units.

Just a theory though.
post #7688 of 14848
Scott (aka. MLXXXp),

excellent post, but a bit too long to quote

Seems like you spent a lot of time testing your unit and creating a nifty selection of useful test images. I downloaded your zip file, as my 6187 will be delivered tomorrow.

As for your tech, I wouldn't allow someone who never dealt with your particular model to work on it. Perhaps you are better off calling a different service center and asking for someone with a little more experience?

All Samsung authorized techs have to take Samsung training once a year, as far as i understand, therefore this persion should have been subjected to LED technology already. The current model line is already the second generation of LED based sets.

-J
post #7689 of 14848
Scott,
It looks like you've done some very good testing. I haven't bought my HLT6187s yet, but have been following this thread since the beginning. Congrats on reading the entire thing. Keep us posted on your outcome, and make sure to try to get a part number if it is just the "lens cap". I hope your tech will be able to fix your problems, these sammy's seem to be just about the best out there, with the exemption of halo issue.
post #7690 of 14848
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Originally Posted by cannondale0815 View Post

As for your tech, I wouldn't allow someone who never dealt with your particular model to work on it. Perhaps you are better off calling a different service center and asking for someone with a little more experience?

Yes I'm quite wary of this myself. Dealings with this company were described by "I am Sam" in this post:
post10994171

With me, Samsung said they sent a fax to them describing my problems and to send a tech. When I phoned them a few days later, they said they never received anything from Samsung. And, like "I am Sam", after I gave the model number I was asked for the lamp code. And even though "I am Sam" dealt with them for problems with the same model back in June, they claimed that they'd never heard of this model before.

To be fair, the guy came out the next morning to look at the set and I got the message about the parts a few days later. I think I'll give them a shot at fixing it, unless I have problems getting them out to fix it shortly.

I'll watch them like a hawk, though, and assist as much as possible. I'm pretty handy with electronics (I built a microcomputer from a kit of components back in 1977 and have been in the industry ever since).

Wish me luck,
Scott
post #7691 of 14848
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Originally Posted by cannondale0815 View Post

I've read some people theorize that the LED driven Samsung's have a high gain screen, as LEDs are inherently dimmer. In essence, the screen design is different to be able to look just as bright as bulb driven units, even though the light source is not. This could also contribute to an elevated level of SSE with the LED units.

Just a theory though.

You have the three LED's output going through shaping optics before it reflects off the DLP chip then through the projection lens system to the screen but you don't utilize any form of amplification that effects light output. High Output LED's are becoming increasing common in usage from automobile lighting to household lights to television display back-lighting.

LED's are not dim, believe me when you can get blinded by one of those puny 3 watt flashlights one can buy for $30.

The LED's in the xx87s/xx89s are significantly brighter and hotter then what I observed with the earlier HLS-5679W model.
post #7692 of 14848
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Originally Posted by Tanker73 View Post

Here's the best explanation I have seen...
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post12133161

Is the pattern more pronounced on any particular type of viewing condition? Also, make sure you try the Avical starter settings.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=866534

Really, I can only see it when viewing web pages that have a lot of bright white. I had never noticed it until then. So it's not really that much of a problem.
post #7693 of 14848
I've been doing my homework and reading both forums. I decided it's down to a choice of 2, either the Samsung HL-T6187s or the Sony 60A3000. I will be using it with DirecTV w/ HD and DVDs. No Blu Ray at this time and no gaming. Just thought if anyone had to choose between these 2 units you could give some feed back. Any other thoughts would be greatly appreciated. I will also post a similar question in the Sony forum.
post #7694 of 14848
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Originally Posted by quacktastic View Post

I haven't noticed anything else other people talk about (RBE, etc), but this is possibly a deal breaker for me. Any help would be much appreciated.

Well, if you've noticed RBE on old fashioned CRT sets, then it will still appear on the DLP sets, including the LED ones.

However the RBE may not show up on HDTV reception.
post #7695 of 14848
I have a HLT5089S hooked up to a Directv HR20. Can anyone tell me if I should have the HR20 set to Native on or off? I have heard it depends on how well the TV converts the signal.
post #7696 of 14848
My HR20-700 is set to native, and I haven't seen any problems.
post #7697 of 14848
called my service tech today and let him know that Samsung sent out a service bulletin yesterday regarding the fix to the halo problem, and he looked it up and ended up ordering the part. I had called after i got off work but he had already been gone but the woman told me the part was ordered and that they would have to come get my set again install the part and then clean my light engine because it is projecting a bunch of dust on the screen from the previous service they did on my set to replace the light tunnel and mirror assembly. I will call him again tomorrow and ask for the product number for everyone on here...i am here to help out all that i can because all of you have been supportive of me and all my complaining about the damn halo problem i just hope it really fixes it this time and that they can rid my set of the dust that seems to be all over the lens (it seems like it is all over the place) no need to pay me the $10 dollars for being the first one to come up with the lens cover product number...i just wanna help everyone fix their halo issue...we should never had to deal with this to begin with on a brand new set in 2007 that costed us $2K and more when the set first came out...so look for my post tomorrow, if i don't post it means i dont have the product number yet...i promise i will post it!!
post #7698 of 14848
Hi -

I was hoping someone could help me understand something.

I had a Sammy HLN 720p DLP for about 3 years and replaced it about 6 months ago with the HLT5089. I know I'm preaching to the choir when I say how thrilled I am with the display quality of this new TV, especially when compared with the HLN it replaced. I've been having a blast watching BD discs via HDMI from my PS3 and lately, have been even further amazed to watch the new group of 1080p/24 discs that have been released.

That is, until I was at a local electronics store recently. They were playing a BD demo of Pirates of the Caribbean on a Sony 1080p LCD and the best way I can describe what I saw is that the picture had a very "live" look to it. Almost as if I were watching a live sporting event in HD or as if it were shot with a digital camera as opposed to film. Then they played a few other clips from movies such as Gone in 60 Seconds with Nicholas Cage, and Underworld, and again, the actors on screen and the film in general had a "look" to it as if it were a live event instead of a film. It was startling to me because it looked so incredibly different than the "film" look I am used to.

On the HLT, I would easily tell you that Pirates (which I own) is probably one of the most gorgeous transfers I have ever seen on BD (esp. the sequel), and yet, as crystal clear and sharp as it appears on the HLT DLP, it is still missing that "live" look that the Sony had.

When I clumsily explained to the store rep what I had noticed, he answered that it's as a result of the 120hz capability of the Sony and that gives many HD transfers that "live" sort of dimensional appearance that I was seeing but I thought that was a bit of a red herring because my initial understanding of 120hz was that it just helped remove some of the motion blur on an LCD set.

Actually, I was personally thinking this may be the anti-judder technology at work that I've been hearing about and perhaps, if so, this is a matter of taste as to whether or not you like the look of the film being displayed this way but I was absolutely amazed by it.

Whether or not that is really the case, can someone explain what this digicam look comes from, whether or not it really is a product of a 120hz display or anti-judder tech, or both, (or none of the above), and whether the HLT's are capable of such a look with the proper calibration?

I'm not positive I'm explaining this correctly but hopefully, this makes sense to someone...

Thanks!!!

RobbW
post #7699 of 14848
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Originally Posted by wopino View Post

called my service tech today and let him know that Samsung sent out a service bulletin yesterday regarding the fix to the halo problem, and he looked it up and ended up ordering the part. I had called after i got off work but he had already been gone but the woman told me the part was ordered and that they would have to come get my set again install the part and then clean my light engine because it is projecting a bunch of dust on the screen from the previous service they did on my set to replace the light tunnel and mirror assembly. I will call him again tomorrow and ask for the product number for everyone on here...i am here to help out all that i can because all of you have been supportive of me and all my complaining about the damn halo problem i just hope it really fixes it this time and that they can rid my set of the dust that seems to be all over the lens (it seems like it is all over the place) no need to pay me the $10 dollars for being the first one to come up with the lens cover product number...i just wanna help everyone fix their halo issue...we should never had to deal with this to begin with on a brand new set in 2007 that costed us $2K and more when the set first came out...so look for my post tomorrow, if i don't post it means i dont have the product number yet...i promise i will post it!!

I thought they were going to give you a new TV since they did such a poor job with service last time. I think they should have. Anyway, good luck if you have to send it back to the shop again. I know how nervous you were last time (with good reason). Hopefully it will come back in perfect shape this time. I would also like to thank you for being so supportive of the rest of us with the halo. Maybe we can all put this creature to bed for good. I get my replacement tv on Monday and if it has the halo it goes back unless we have finally got a fix that works.
post #7700 of 14848
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Originally Posted by wopino View Post

...so look for my post tomorrow, if i don't post it means i dont have the product number yet...i promise i will post it!!

Looking forward to hearing the details. I have a very slight blue halo on my 6189 that I can only see with the test pattern. I don't think it would be worth having a tech open up the system for such a slight problem unless it is a part that can be easily replaced without having to dig deep into the system and potentially messing something else up. What do you think?
post #7701 of 14848
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Originally Posted by RobbW View Post

When I clumsily explained to the store rep what I had noticed, he answered that it's as a result of the 120hz capability of the Sony and that gives many HD transfers that "live" sort of dimensional appearance that I was seeing but I thought that was a bit of a red herring because my initial understanding of 120hz was that it just helped remove some of the motion blur on an LCD set.

I can't explain, but can relate a similar experience... I have a 2006 Sony 52" XBR3 LCD flat panel in the family room and just got the Samsung HL-T6187S LED DLP for the game room. I don't have BD, but do have the HD add on drive for my Xbox 360. Watching Transformers on the Sony I get that Digicam look, but not so much on the Samsung. The Sony is last years model and is not 120hz. I do have very different settings on the Sony vs the Samsung, which might explain some of the differences in the look.

I know we're talking apples to oranges here, but I've yet to get that same "digicam" look on the Samsung. I still think the Samsung is an awesome TV for the 2K I paid for it, especially considering it is for the game room where my kids mostly are watching and playing video games.

For those that would start the rants on LCD vs DLP, I'm not trying to start anything, only relating my experience with that "digicam" look.
post #7702 of 14848
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Originally Posted by RobbW View Post

Whether or not that is really the case, can someone explain what this digicam look comes from, whether or not it really is a product of a 120hz display or anti-judder tech, or both, (or none of the above), and whether the HLT's are capable of such a look with the proper calibration?


I recently returned the Samsung 4671 which had the 120hz display tech.

I found it horrible.

If you use the 120hz it STEALS the movie quality from movies IMO. Makes them look plastic, flat, and like a tv show. It also is a filter on top of other filters. Meaning it can enhance a bad look, making it worse.

For example. That LCD had had a bit of blur to it during movement. Now add that maybe a cable/sat signal already has blur on it. You're getting a double blur that then is also being filtered in a strange way taking frames and making fake frames in-between.

Some movies would actually give trails. If someone moved their head against a white background you would see the trails. That was the worst of it. Also motion felt a bit 'sped-up' and unnatural when 120hz was set to high. I also noticed aliasing and strange image effect during lots of movement.

During little to no movement the picture was great. But any other movement resulted in a loss of detail. To me it defeated the best part of HD. Locking on to details at all times.

I just got the HLT6187. I am happy with it so far. The speakers are not as good as the 4671, and the picture is not as rich. But I'm not CONSTANTLY trying to adjust the set to kill the plastic/blur effect.
post #7703 of 14848
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Originally Posted by bobbd2000 View Post

Avia II is also available now. Many people prefer Avia as being easier to navigate. I used the original with good results on my old Toshiba 56H80. I now have Avia II for my 5687 but haven't had time to do much. As has been said before, the Avical starter settings will get you 90% there but you need something other than just your eyes to get you further.

Bob


I have the old Avia and Video Essentials DVDs.

Is there ANY problem using those to calibrate instead of the HDdvd version on this 1080p set?

-6187
post #7704 of 14848
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Originally Posted by SnakeDoctor View Post

Looking forward to hearing the details. I have a very slight blue halo on my 6189 that I can only see with the test pattern. I don't think it would be worth having a tech open up the system for such a slight problem unless it is a part that can be easily replaced without having to dig deep into the system and potentially messing something else up. What do you think?

i would get it fixed if its there...mine shows up all the time and is both blue and prismatic...im gonna call the tech today and ask him what is going on because as of yesterday my request for a replacement with samsung was still open, now i hear from his secretary that they are going to replace the part on my set and "clean" my light engine, is it even possible to clean such an involved piece of equipment and not make even more problems? The guy knows how frustrated i am already am because there is dust all over the place on the screen now because of the previous work they did. So i am going to be extremely upset if i let them take it again and it gets worse or even stays the same.
post #7705 of 14848
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Originally Posted by SnakeDoctor View Post

Looking forward to hearing the details. I have a very slight blue halo on my 6189 that I can only see with the test pattern. I don't think it would be worth having a tech open up the system for such a slight problem unless it is a part that can be easily replaced without having to dig deep into the system and potentially messing something else up. What do you think?

I'm in the exact same boat on my 5689. I can ONLY see it with the test pattern, or on a completely black screen with bright white print. But, if it IS a simple, low-risk fix, it might be worth putting in a service call.

Keep us posted, those of you getting the black ring fix!
post #7706 of 14848
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Originally Posted by CloudKind View Post

I recently returned the Samsung 4671 which had the 120hz display tech.

I found it horrible.

If you use the 120hz it STEALS the movie quality from movies IMO. Makes them look plastic, flat, and like a tv show. It also is a filter on top of other filters. Meaning it can enhance a bad look, making it worse.

For example. That LCD had had a bit of blur to it during movement. Now add that maybe a cable/sat signal already has blur on it. You're getting a double blur that then is also being filtered in a strange way taking frames and making fake frames in-between.

Some movies would actually give trails. If someone moved their head against a white background you would see the trails. That was the worst of it. Also motion felt a bit 'sped-up' and unnatural when 120hz was set to high. I also noticed aliasing and strange image effect during lots of movement.

During little to no movement the picture was great. But any other movement resulted in a loss of detail. To me it defeated the best part of HD. Locking on to details at all times.

I just got the HLT6187. I am happy with it so far. The speakers are not as good as the 4671, and the picture is not as rich. But I'm not CONSTANTLY trying to adjust the set to kill the plastic/blur effect.

I think what you and FIOS describe are the same effect I have seen at the stores. ...and perhaps you have something there...

I watched a two minute clip of Pirates and a few bits and pieces of other movies and was mesmerized by that Digicam (heh, ok video TV Show is fair as well) look because it was so different but I'm not sure how I would feel about it if it were on every film I watched and I couldn't switch it off easily. You have to admit though, it's a startling effect. Maybe the shock of seeing a familiar movie look like this gave me the immediate perception that the digicam look was another level of "clarity" that HD DVD can offer given the right display.

Even while the 4671 didn't seem to do this without artifacting, perhaps there is a different display that has an on/off for this effect that works well in both modes?

In any event, does anyone know what is technically at play here and why some displays do this, some apparently have options to do this, and others like the HLT's do not (unless this is an unused calibration option from either the HD DVD Player or the HLT)? I don't mean to start an LCD/DLP/Plasma debate, I don't even know that this capability is solely a function of LCD, I'm just reporting the type of TV I happened to catch this on when I saw it in an effort to understand what is happening.



Thanks all,

RobbW
post #7707 of 14848
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Originally Posted by SnakeDoctor and bahill View Post

Originally Posted by SnakeDoctor
Looking forward to hearing the details. I have a very slight blue halo on my 6189 that I can only see with the test pattern. I don't think it would be worth having a tech open up the system for such a slight problem unless it is a part that can be easily replaced without having to dig deep into the system and potentially messing something else up. What do you think?
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Originally Posted by bahill
I'm in the exact same boat on my 5689. I can ONLY see it with the test pattern, or on a completely black screen with bright white print. But, if it IS a simple, low-risk fix, it might be worth putting in a service call.

Keep us posted, those of you getting the black ring fix!

I am in the same boat as well (getting crowded). My 6189 has a dim upside down crecent moon like shape dead center of screen. Only visible when screen/picture is black. Any previous time a tech got into my TV, other things happened.... so I hesitate as well..

Ted
post #7708 of 14848
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Originally Posted by RobbW View Post

I think what you and FIOS describe are the same effect I have seen at the stores. ...and perhaps you have something there...

I watched a two minute clip of Pirates and a few bits and pieces of other movies and was mesmerized by that Digicam (heh, ok video TV Show is fair as well) look because it was so different but I'm not sure how I would feel about it if it were on every film I watched and I couldn't switch it off easily. You have to admit though, it's a startling effect. Maybe the shock of seeing a familiar movie look like this gave me the immediate perception that the digicam look was another level of "clarity" that HD DVD can offer given the right display.

Even while the 4671 didn't seem to do this without artifacting, perhaps there is a different display that has an on/off for this effect that works well in both modes?

In any event, does anyone know what is technically at play here and why some displays do this, some apparently have options to do this, and others like the HLT's do not (unless this is an unused calibration option from either the HD DVD Player or the HLT)? I don't mean to start an LCD/DLP/Plasma debate, I don't even know that this capability is solely a function of LCD, I'm just reporting the type of TV I happened to catch this on when I saw it in an effort to understand what is happening.



Thanks all,

RobbW


OOOOh thats great!!! Im saying this becuz when i visited the SONYstore i noticed the same image quality and was blown away. BUT after reading a few posts, i guess this high 120hz display/refresh rate isnt for all viewing (Sports, TV-DVD's,etc.),further more....I dont think this is what the director had intentioned for the movie to look like; other wise they would have used the same Panavision Digital Camera used in Superman Returns!! (even though it wasnt available at the time of Gone in 60 seconds). Its not the 'Movie Look'!!

Any comments??
post #7709 of 14848
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Originally Posted by fraddi View Post

OOOOh thats great!!! Im saying this becuz when i visited the SONYstore i noticed the same image quality and was blown away. BUT after reading a few posts, i guess this high 120hz display/refresh rate isnt for all viewing and further more....I dont think this is what the director had intentioned for the movie to look; other wise they would have used the same Panavision Digital Camera used in Superman Returns!!

Any comments??

Yep, it sold me after a similar side by side comparison. Not to mention getting two 87S Sammy's in a row with the green push issue. The swap out occurs tomorrow, a new Sony 60A3000 for the Sammy LED 61.

I describe the "look" as what you see on either a live broadcast or a soap opera; those always did look a little different. Better? It is all opinion I guess, but in mine, yes. As far as I can tell it is the clearest picture I've ever seen, after all isn't that why we went HD to begin with? There are many setting in the Sony so I'm sure it will be easy enough to soften up if I want to, so I think I made the right choice. Tomorrow will be the acid test.

Good luck all with the Sammy ring fix. Although I did not have this issue, I sure can relate.
post #7710 of 14848
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Originally Posted by CloudKind View Post

I have the old Avia and Video Essentials DVDs.

Is there ANY problem using those to calibrate instead of the HDdvd version on this 1080p set?

-6187

Not being an expert, I can't answer definitively. I also don't know about Video Essentials. However, some of the tests on Avia II have been modified to apply to modern LCD, Plasma, and DLP technology. Note that I have the NTSC version of Avia II, not the HD or BD version. My DVD player is standard not high def.

If I find some time, maybe I'll calibrate using Avia II and then see how that matches up with the original.

Bob
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