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post #8731 of 14848
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Originally Posted by SLYDoggie View Post

The 6187s will not pass audio received through HDMI out their audio output ports. Supposedly it has to do with some copyright "stuff" with the HDMI specification, although there are those who say that the spec doesn't really demand this. Anyway, if your issue is with signal you are receiving through the TV and trying to pass through the "Audio Out" ports, that is probably the problem. Apparently it can't be done.

As I understand it there are three options:

1) Use component connections to your TV and then pass audio from your TV to the receiver.

2) Run video from your device to the TV with HDMI but run audio directly from the device to your receiver.

3) Get a new Receiver with HDMI capabilties and let it do the video & audio switching.

If you have been looking for an excuse to upgrade that ageing receiver... you have now found it.

Here is an interesting product that I came across today. Octava 4 x 1 HDMI Switch with Optical Toslink Routing -V1.3 Full 1080P with Deep Color Support http://octavainc.com/HDMI%20switch%204port_toslink.htm. I have added this option to my "Surround sound 5.1 from an HDMI source" post at http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=6801. Note that this solution is easily combined with an lip-sync error correction product, if your receiver doesn't provide lip-sync correction.
post #8732 of 14848
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Originally Posted by CraziFuzzy View Post

It's not so much the 'conversion' of DVI to VGA, it's just that the VGA signal is analog, and is much more restricted by timings. A newer video card should be able to get the porper timings from the TV via the EDID information, and use that, but a lot of video cards (laptop's especially) don't like working at anything but 'standard' computer resolutions. This is where programs like PowerStrip come in, as they can force these stubborn cards to use the 'custom' resolutions. (most older cards consider 1920x1080 a custom resolution).

Just FYI, there is no real 'conversion' going on in those DVI to VGA adapters for the back of the video cards. The DVI-I connector actually has a normal VGA signal in it, the adapter you have is simply connecting the DB15 plug to those analog pins of the DVI-I.

Ah thank you very much for your input. I wasn't sure what the problem was. I appreciate the information you provided
post #8733 of 14848
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Originally Posted by Kagaden View Post

Here we go, it was pretty buried.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...7#post10697327



Let me know if you have any questions. I wish I had the first post on this thread so I could keep it updated with relevant information like this to help people. -.- oh well...

Thank you very much for digging that up. and for your help =)
post #8734 of 14848
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Originally Posted by tommyla View Post

I had to run to work after the tech was done today so tonight I'll do a bit more detective work. I have to say that I was a little bit nervous when he took apart the lens and it was sitting there on the carpet!

Yeah, my guy did the same thing putting the lens on the carpet. I figured out why my picture didn't look right. He went into the service menu, which reset my picture settings, so I just had to change those back to where I had them before. All fixed.
post #8735 of 14848
I keep flip flopping between this set and Sony A3000.Do the new sets out have the lens (halo)problem fixed from the factory? Talk me into this over the Sony so I dont have to worry about bulb issues.
post #8736 of 14848
^
It appears so, from reports here. But, even if you get it, further reports say that it's a 10 min fix with a service visit.

DON'T let the halo deter you from this TV. It is amazing!
post #8737 of 14848
Just wanted to post some info on my set after reading more of the posts in this massive thread:

I bought my HLT5687S in early November 2007 from Amazon for $1674.99. The model code for my set is HLT5687SX/XAA and the sticker on the back says it was manufactured in Mexico in September 2007.

My TV does have the halo effect, but I am not sure if it bothers me enough to go through the effort of having it fixed. I guess I about a year to decide before it costs $$$. The halo shows up slightly below center on the screen. I'm scared if I get this fixed, the tech is going to mess up something else on the set.

I have used Avical's starter settings and these are much easier on the eyes.

I have noticed that if I move my eyes around while watching the TV, I will notice green and red flashes of light as my eyes move. However, they are just that - flashes. I notice this especially when I am using outputting my laptop to the TV via the VGA input. Is this normal?

Also, sometimes when I am watching the TV, the TV will physically make a noise, like a crackling noise. I notice this happens when the color changes suddenly on the screen. Do any of you hear this? It's almost like the plastic casing is expanding or contracting or something.

After almost a month of owning this TV, I still can't get enough of it!
post #8738 of 14848
I said I would update any interested parties on the bowing on my 5687 after the tech came out. I`m not sure if this really clarifies anything but here goes. The bowing was relatively slight and more accentuated at the top of the screen towards the center. He said he would "try" to correct it but wasn`t sure he could. He removed the back after setting a horizontal line pattern on the screen..and proceeded to adjust something with a screwdriver as I sat in front viewing the result. After a good 45 minutes and many adjustments with said screwdriver...and many trips from behind the set back to the front to assess his progress..nothing much changed! I could see the lines moving up and down the screen and very little effect on the bowing..but I thought I`d let him do his thing...Finally I offered an opinion. To wit ..that it must have something to do with the geometry of the frame and the body (rear) of the set. Why? Because the only thing that would correct the bowing was literally pulling the set from behind on the upper part of the frame/bezel...to the point of lifting the front of the set off the table. That worked (no screwdriver required)! I suggested a work around involving a cable and pulley system affixed to the top of the bezel and the wall behind the set to create some torque and leverage..but it may void the warranty...

But seriously folks..it seems his adjustments involved loosening the screws on the dmd board and trying to adjust its` seat/alignment relative to the case. It was having an effect..but it needed some kind of twist or torque adjustment he was unable to do. One assumes that this bowing/geometry thing would be checked at the factory before it`s sent to the warehouse..His opinion (in a heavily accented Romanian English) was that the dmd board has to be aligned properly to the case to avoid the bowing issue. If it`s not..the only alternative is to replace the set. Because if one were to only replace the case, you would surely have the same issue appearing all over again.

To summarize..it seems that the alignment of the dmd board relative to the case has to be perfect when it leaves the factory. Replacing the whole set is the only alternatve..and that seems like overkill as the bowing effect really isn`t noticeable while viewing normal programming content.

I also recently saw what I believe to be "judder" on this set. I played a portion of the movie Primeval for him..and he thought it was the Comcast signal. I am skeptical about that opinion. However I`ll expound more on that (uh oh) in a later post.
post #8739 of 14848
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Originally Posted by Avio View Post

Try this post and attachment download:

HLT-XX87/89S Discrete Input IR Codes
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&#post10459698

Please let us know if the HDMI3 code works. I haven't programmed this input yet because I have nothing plugged into it.

Avio

I just tried the discrete code for the HDMI 3 input from the link above. Unfortunately, it didn't work. If anyone ever finds one that does work, please let me know. Thanks for trying to help Avio.
post #8740 of 14848
Does anyone know where we can buy/download a Samsung HLTxx87 service manual?

Thanks

Bob
post #8741 of 14848
On bowing issue - methinks it is related to the simple fact of the giant mirror that is attached to the inside of the back of the set, not being a perfectly straight surface.

As any thin glass plate would, it has some flex to it and thus, by pushing/lifting/tilting assorted areas of the TV enclosure we can see that a fix is possible, but it is tough
to come up with an elegant, non-warranty-voiding way of doing it.

One of my friends followed advice posted here a while back: remove all the screws along top line of the screen and 2 upper ones on ea side. Using a thin instrument (he had one of those rounded and pretty dull kitchen knifes) gentry pry the front and back of the TV apart, going at it at the middle, top point, till you get a small gap to show (2mm or so).

Now, he used some black electrical tape, folded into 3 layers and stuck it into the gap. The goal is to provide a way for larger separation between the screen and back of the set in THE MIDDLE - that's where it bows the most. Samsung was partly right, advising to play with the screws to fix the bowing problem. The reason it never works, is that nothing compels the front (the screen) and the back to part and stay parted, when screws are adjusted for some slack.

With a piece of that tape stuck in the gap, it _will_ provide that separating force. Now put the screws back. In my friends case, all but the 2 screws atop, in the middle, were screwed in tight, the 2 atop were left with some slack. The bowing was gone.

No damage of any sort is done to the TV. No pressure of any sort is ever applied to the mirror. The piece of tape can be removed in seconds, should there be a need for a service visit, so that the whole voiding-of-wty issue is avoided. The whole procedure should take 5 mins. Of course, one needs to display some lines along the top portion of the screen during the procedure, for visual feedback.
post #8742 of 14848
Hey guys, I recorded the HDNet test patterns this morning, and on the one where you can check overscan (Sample Here) I could see the 4 on the left, but only the 6 on the right, also I could 2 on the top, but only 4 on the bottom. Is there any way to move the screen position so that I get it right in the middle? On shows, I don't notice as bad on the vertical, but you can tell the horizontal is off.
post #8743 of 14848
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Originally Posted by PerfnRestore View Post

Does anyone know where we can buy/download a Samsung HLTxx87 service manual?

Thanks

Bob

Why buy?

http://www.samsung.com/us/support/do...Type=D&vType=R
post #8744 of 14848
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Originally Posted by JRWalker View Post

Here is an interesting product that I came across today. Octava 4 x 1 HDMI Switch with Optical Toslink Routing -V1.3 Full 1080P with Deep Color Support http://octavainc.com/HDMI%20switch%204port_toslink.htm. I have added this option to my "Surround sound 5.1 from an HDMI source" post at http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=6801. Note that this solution is easily combined with an lip-sync error correction product, if your receiver doesn't provide lip-sync correction.

Very nice! But a little steep at $275 (US).
post #8745 of 14848
I have been lurking for a while now, but thanks to everyone for all of the information. I picked up my second 6187 last night. The first had small halo, a bit of the green push, (((()))), and extremely minor geometry problem. Would have kept it but I got a great deal on the second (Fry's price match at Se@rs plus 10% rebate = $1479 - I got the first at Se@rs for $1740 ). Anyway, I was looking for a 6187 SAX but they were not in stock. I got a 6187SX/XAA that was made in Mexico in October 2007 and it is perfect! None of the problems noted in this thread. Looks like I have a winner.

Oh, to the other lurkers thinking about buying this set. All of the problems that I noted above (except for the green push), I would not have noticed during normal viewing. I was able to get rid of the green push through adjustments. My friends were blown away by the TV. However, I am admittedly a perfectionist. I found most of the problems only because I was looking for them. Overall, this is a great set.
post #8746 of 14848
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Originally Posted by PerfnRestore View Post

Does anyone know where we can buy/download a Samsung HLTxx87 service manual?

Thanks

Bob

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Originally Posted by room112 View Post

Why buy?

http://www.samsung.com/us/support/do...Type=D&vType=R

room112: Your link seems to lead to the "Users Manual" not the "Service Manual."

PerfnRestore: The Service Manual seems to available from SamsungParts.com for $28.

http://www.samsungparts.com/part_det...model=HLT5687S

Avio
post #8747 of 14848
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Originally Posted by baileymeadows View Post

Are these sets wall mountable. Please advise as I am interested but want to be able to hang on the wall

I would not try to mount these sets. The cases do not appear to be designed for that (flimsy enclousure and air vents in the back) Even if you did mount it, the 6187 would be 15'' off the wall. You might want to look at plasma or LCD units.
post #8748 of 14848
Samsung rated #3 in Rear-Projection reliability by Consumer Reports December 2007.

 

December, 2007.pdf 152.4833984375k . file
post #8749 of 14848
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Originally Posted by explorz View Post

My picture suddenly has too much red. No matter what I do with the settings I can't get rid of it. Even when I choose Cool for color temp. It is the same for both cable and DVD.

It seemed to happen all of a sudden. Anyone else have this happen?

I seemed to have fixed my own issue here. I downgraded my firmware from 1026 to 1025. The red issue persisted. I then upgraded from 1025 to 1026 and the problem is fixed. I just hope it stays fixed!!
post #8750 of 14848
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Originally Posted by Kagaden View Post

Yep, I've used both VGA and HDMI with my computer and the picture quality, when properly set up, are damn close to identical.

Hey Kagaden, thanks for the tutorial , it helped me some but I have a question for you. I am hooked up via vga and the res is 1920x1080P. When I follow your instructions for eliminating overscan I can get the horizontal pretty much perfect however I still have a good bit (3/4 inch) of overscan in the vertical that I can't get rid of. The psize settings I have available are widepc, widetv, and 4/3. Widepc makes the screen uderscan(ie- the computer screen ends about a half inch short of the ends of the actual screen horizontaly) while widepc ends up with vertical overscan that I can't seem to get rid of. Do you know a way to fix this?

Thanks.
post #8751 of 14848
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Originally Posted by PerfnRestore View Post

Does anyone know where we can buy/download a Samsung HLTxx87 service manual?

Thanks

Bob

manualuniverse.com for $17.99.

Bob
post #8752 of 14848
just got the tv, I'm watching pirates on blu ray on my ps3 over component. My HDMI doesn't seem to work, but there are black lines on top and bottom of the screen. It really pisses me off, I went through pretty much all of the available settings. Hell, it even has full screen during the previews! If anyone knows how to fix, that would be awesome.
post #8753 of 14848
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Originally Posted by nate88 View Post

just got the tv, I'm watching pirates on blu ray on my ps3 over component. My HDMI doesn't seem to work, but there are black lines on top and bottom of the screen. It really pisses me off, I went through pretty much all of the available settings. Hell, it even has full screen during the previews! If anyone knows how to fix, that would be awesome.

Maybe this thread will help in explaining different aspect ratios that you might run across, if that's your issue:

Where Did Those "Black Bars" Come From?
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hreadid=328207
post #8754 of 14848
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Originally Posted by Johnhnhn View Post

Samsung rated #3 in Rear-Projection reliability by Consumer Reports December 2007.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Sony and Panasonic, the number one and two in the CR Report, sued due to service issues with their RP tvs?
post #8755 of 14848
[quote=blazeblaze;12436350]Maybe this thread will help in explaining different aspect ratios that you might run across, if that's your issue:




thanks, but I was only able to make the lines half as small...
post #8756 of 14848
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Originally Posted by bigmoe View Post

I keep flip flopping between this set and Sony A3000.Do the new sets out have the lens (halo)problem fixed from the factory? Talk me into this over the Sony so I dont have to worry about bulb issues.

I also was trying to decide between the Sony A3000 and the 6187. I decided to go with the 6187 and have been extremely pleased with my decision. I bought my set in November and it had an October manufacture date. I have none of the issues described in the forum... no halo, near perfect geometry, and awesome pq (after changing the factory settings to those suggested in this forum).

I'm assuming that my TV already has the black ring installed from the factory but I haven't opened it up to find out.
post #8757 of 14848
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Originally Posted by Johnhnhn View Post

Samsung rated #3 in Rear-Projection reliability by Consumer Reports December 2007.

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Originally Posted by IMNuts View Post

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Sony and Panasonic, the number one and two in the CR Report, sued due to service issues with their RP tvs?

Ok, I just reviewed the Dec. 2007 CR article on page 25 on TV Reliability and Brand Repair History.

The RPTV graph is based on 2004 to 2007 owner reports of repairs or serious problems in the 2007 CR annual survey. Here's what it shows:

DLP RPTV's
Samsung 19%
Mitsubishi 21%
Toshiba 30%
RCA 34%

LCD RPTV's
Sony 12%
Panasonic 16%
Hitachi 24%

The article points out that about 25% of repairs involved replacing the bulb.

The article has a separate graph for flat-panel LCD and Plasma TV's. The repair rate for LCD FP in this graph was, Panasonic 2%, Sony, Sharp and Samsung 3%. Plasma was report as Panny 2%, Pioneer 3%, Sammy 5%, Philips 8%.

Samsung rated Number 1 in DLP RPTV Reliability (this includes bulb based Sammys which are the majority).

Avio
post #8758 of 14848
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Originally Posted by SLYDoggie View Post

I also was trying to decide between the Sony A3000 and the 6187. I decided to go with the 6187 and have been extremely pleased with my decision. I bought my set in November and it had an October manufacture date. I have none of the issues described in the forum... no halo, near perfect geometry, and awesome pq (after changing the factory settings to those suggested in this forum).

I'm assuming that my TV already has the black ring installed from the factory but I haven't opened it up to find out.

I too was deciding between the same sets. I made the same decision with the same results as SlyDoggie. It seems that the new sets have fewer problems. I was looking for an SAX when I got mine but I ended up getting an SX made in October. Great set - no problems. In addition to saving on bulb replacements you also reduce your energy consumption by about 40%. The LED can save you big time in the long run.
post #8759 of 14848
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Originally Posted by nate88 View Post

thanks, but I was only able to make the lines half as small...

If you check the dvd box it should say "2.35:1" on the back somewhere, or imdb.com under "technical specifications" of the film. As long as you don't see black on the sides, you should see black on the top and bottom as the 16:9 sets are 1.78:1. This (2.35:1) is the original aspect ratio of the film (OAR) and is a good thing. Supplemental material and menus may be 16:9 or even 4:3 (1.33:1) depending on how old the dvd is....
post #8760 of 14848
Is HDMI 1.3 and Deep Color going to really be noticable?

Oh and something I didn't see in the first post: Does the xx89s support 48-bit deep color with it's HDMI 1.3 or is it a lower bit one?
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