2007 Samsung LED Owner's Thread (HLT XX87/89S) - Page 305

Originally Posted by Lord Vader

There's nothing else that can be done, because there is no way to make my 6189S accept 24p. The option is grayed out on my BD30 setup because the 6189S just isn't 24p capable. If you could somehow wave your magic want to turn an apple into an orange, great; otherwise, there's nothing that can be done.

BTW, just because some (incorrect) spec sheet says it's 24p capable doesn't make it so.

Also, this post and the following appear to confirm the inability of the 6187/9 not to handle 24p:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=4294

Originally Posted by SLYDoggie

I have heard others describe similar "reflections" and it is sometimes caused by external light sources. Have you tried viewing in total darkness to make sure you aren't having an internal reflection from a window or light?

Originally Posted by LEDme

So when the PS3 is playing a movie @24Hz (and the tv says 1920x1080 @ 24Hz), does that mean the same thing as 24p or 24fps? does the 87 or 89 actually drop the refresh rate down to 24Hz or is it actually going into 120Hz and just not "saying" so (on the display)? On computer screens I can see refresh rates below 72Hz and 24Hz seems awfully slow. But I don't see it when I'm watching DVDs or Bluray movies on my 5089. Motion is smooth (except that movies shot at 24fps inherently strobe/judder anyway). What's the deal?

Originally Posted by taichi4

I'm HDTV-less and considered the Sony 60A3000 (in showroom blacks looked a bit gray), the Mitsubishi 73 inch (big immersive screen but color wheel!), and the Samsung 61 inch LED. I'm leaning towards the Samsung, but am concerned about screen bowing, and that buzzing noise. But here's something from a review on Amazon that's interesting re: the buzz.

Anyone think that there will be a larger Samsung LED screen soon?

"4 of 4 people found the following review helpful:
4.0 out of 5 stars Stunning HD Picture, November 6, 2007
By Bluesdude (Columbus, OH) - See all my reviews
The quality of the picture in High Def is outstanding. Delivery was quick. There was a problem with the cooling fan rubbing against the back of the set, which made a horrible buzzing noise, but I called Samsung and placed a warranty call and within 4 days I had a technician out to fix the problem. According to him this has been a common problem on this set and just requires a simple adjustment to the placement of the fan. Problem fixed and everything is good."


Merry Christmas

Originally Posted by rashid11

Methinks Sams drop refresh down to 24Hz, as opposed to doing 5:5 @ 120Hz.
If they were to 5:50 120, they'd advertise it as a major feature

Judder limitations of 24p are well known to people that make movies and they
actively counter that with assorted techniques when shooting them.

Panning across highly-detailed backgrounds is a definite no-no.

With DLP technology in our sets, it takes a minute fraction of time, compared to old
film-projector technology, to redraw the screen with content of a new frame, so the
problem of flicker per-se is not there.

Originally Posted by buzzfish43

sorry basic rook here --- i have the 87s dont see halo issue ---- but have firmware 1018 as last update ---- do i need/want the newest firmware or is there something I should be aware of or scared of ----also whats best way to get the firmware update and how do you do it ----again rook but I willask the dumb questions ---thanks

Originally Posted by talbain

lol and what about the cnet review and the screen shots and the a/b comparison testimony and the comments in that last link you yourself provided indicating that some will accept 24hz?

at this point all i can ask is that current and prospective 87 and 89 series owners please disregard lord vader's comments. he is incorrect

Originally Posted by new teq joe

well here is a new i think .. i have bean noteicing that my 61s goes dim and than goes bright again .. but it is almost like it is lagging .. if you get what i am saying ..


it is almost like it is not keeping up with the speed of the picture ... , i wonder if there is a problem with the led engine

Originally Posted by talbain

lol and what about the cnet review and the screen shots and the a/b comparison testimony and the comments in that last link you yourself provided indicating that some will accept 24hz?

at this point all i can ask is that current and prospective 87 and 89 series owners please disregard lord vader's comments. he is incorrect

Originally Posted by LEDme

Is it possible you have Dynamic Contrast ON? I haven't tried turning mine on but in my mind the thing you're describing sounds like what this would do.
Picure -->Detailed Settings -->Dynamic Contrast.

Originally Posted by Lord Vader

I had hoped, albeit futilely, that today's firmware upgrade for the Panasonic BD30 player might, just might, address the 24p issue on my 6189S. Alas, it did not. My 24p setting is still grayed out with the explanation that my TV isn't compatible for 24p output. So much for me being "wrong."

Originally Posted by Lord Vader

I had hoped, albeit futilely, that today's firmware upgrade for the Panasonic BD30 player might, just might, address the 24p issue on my 6189S. Alas, it did not. My 24p setting is still grayed out with the explanation that my TV isn't compatible for 24p output. So much for me being "wrong."

Originally Posted by Avio

talbain: Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought HDMI-CEC was only available on the xx89S models. I own the 5689S and it has the following features:

- 3 HDMI ports (new version 1.3) with CEC
- Anynet+: AV network system to control Samsung AV devices from TV

My impression is that the xx87S models do not have CEC.

Avio

Originally Posted by LEDme

is there a way to adjust focus in the service menu. Looks like it's all in code.

Also, how do you navigate?? It seems like the buttons for the regular menu don't do the same thing in the service menu. and what is the proper way to exit the service menu? Do you have to power off the tv?

Originally Posted by mnilan

Vader:
I certainly cannot definitively diagnose your situation. Although my experience with Samsung Customer Service may lead you to a different interpretation...

When I was first looking to get a new LED DLP, I talked to a number of techies about the Samsung HLT xx87S/xx89S sets and 24fps was one of the features that was touted as being an advantage of these sets. So, I went ahead and bought one (HLT 6187S). I also bought a Samsung BD-P1400 Blu-Ray DVD player. I enabled the 24 fps in the DVD player and had significant picture breakup on the display until I disabled the 24 fps.

So I started talking to Samsung Customer Service (they have quite a file on me now 8^). At various times I have been told by Samsung that my 6187 is not 24fps compatible as well as being told that whoever said that my HLT 6187S is not 24fps compatible doesn't know what s/he is talking about. Who can you believe?

I am currently running updated firmware version 1026 in my TV (IMPORTANT NOTE: The firmware versions for the xx87S and xx89S displays have different numbering systems) and it does display 24fps and indicates this when I hit the "Info" button on the display remote control. I get this indication (i.e., "1920 X 1080P @ 24 fps") when I am playing a film-based movie on my BD-P1400 or when I hook up a friend's Playstation 3 and force 24 fps playback. It is unclear to me why the display would even be capable of indicating it is displaying 24 fps if it did not have that ability...

My current problem (unrelated to your issue) is that there are a series of delays in playback REGARDLESS OF WHETHER I AM PLAYING BACK 24 fps OR NOT that cause the image to shudder every once in a while (this is NOT "judder" but a playback issue in the DVD player). Current consensus among Samsung Customer Service folks (regardless of whether I am talking to the display folks or the Blu-Ray DVD folks) is that there is a problem with the DVD player and they are working on it. Consensus on the boards is that Samsung (engineers AND customer service folks) are confusing 24 fps with 23.937 fps as Toshiba did for a while but I'm not enough of a techie to be able to explain that to you clearly...

So, when Samsung gets around to updating the firmware for its BD-P1400 Blu-Ray player, I will not only have 24 fps playback (as I do now) but it will be without the slight delays that I am (and MANY, MANY other BD-P1400 owners are) currently seeing.

One possible interpretation of your situation is that there is a compatibility issue between your Panasonic and your 89S that no firmware will ever resolve, so they are telling you that the 89S is not capable of displaying 24fps. If this is the case, their response is inexact and they have generated confusion as a result.

Another possibility (which I myself have experienced many times) is that the customer service people just don't have a clue what they are talking about and are parroting what they have been told to say. You, the customer, are given conflicting information and, because Samsung doesn't want to update EVERYONE's display, you get the impression that the set is not 24 fps compatible in spite of numerous reports to the contrary.

Another possibility is the your 89S is simply not 24 fps compatible even though other Samsung HLT xx87S/xx89S displays are 24fps capable. I have no clue as to how that happened.

I do wish you luck however. One consolation is that film-based sources at 1920 X 1080P @ 60 fps is still a pretty great picture...

Originally Posted by talbain

well wrong may be too harsh of a word, and for that i apologize. there is definitely something "not right" about your setup and how the components are communicating with one another. let me see what i can find out regarding your issue.

Originally Posted by Lord Vader

Well, the Panasonic DMP-BD30 is supposed to permit 24p to those TVs that support it, which the 6189S is alleged to do. So if everything with my TV is OK, why does my DVD player not allow me to select 24p? Two Panasonic techies tell me it's because my TV can't do 24p, yet some here dispute that. I feel like I'm caught in an endless loop of stupidity between Samsung and Panasonic.

Originally Posted by klasikahl

I have no problem forcing 24p with my PS3 on my HL-T5689S.