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post #9181 of 14462
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Originally Posted by Kloc View Post

What do all you guys have your TV's sitting on. I just ordered the 5687S and I will need something to put it on. I've heard that the stand made for it is kinda cheap and not worth the price. Any suggestions?

My stand came from Best Buy, very sturdy and heavy.http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1165609791326
post #9182 of 14462
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Originally Posted by BLACKTOOTHGRIN View Post

Thanks for the test images SUPWDAT, they really made the problem all that more noticable. I'm still not sure if I should take it back to exchange it or not. I have seen some other posts on here with pictures of perfect geometry on the tv screens so I'm just not sure.

Are all of these Tv's prone to this?

Any ideas on the firmware?

Left side of my 6189 is slightly higher than the right..
I think that the only fix is to "tilt the screen".
This involves taking off the back cover and adjusting the DMD board accordingly using a Crosshatch Pattern.
I have not done this myself, I read about it in the Samsung HL-T6169S tecnichians manual.
I'm hoping that when I have the TV professionally calibrated, they can do that for me also.
post #9183 of 14462
Can someone please tell me what i'm looking for when i upload the halo test, testcard etc listed above???
post #9184 of 14462
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Originally Posted by longsnowsm View Post

We received our HL-T6189S last week. So far I haven't noticed a lot of the things others have pointed out here on this thread. I bought it from Vann's and it was a smooth transaction, and the TV arrived in great shape.

So far I am very impressed with the brightness, clarity, and image on this TV. Looks better than my LCD TV that this unit replaced. QAM has given us access to a lot of digital channels that we didn't have before. So that was a huge bonus. The colors, details, and overall image quality is very nice.

So far I can say that I can recommend this TV to anyone looking at getting one. It has surpassed my expectations after reading a lot of the posts here I was very concerned about buying this TV, but now I am glad I did.

My only issue with the TV so far has been with the video display setting called dynamic. It makes a lot of content look grainy. Not quite as noticeable on standard, and movie mode makes things appear pretty film like. I still have a lot of learning to do and playing with settings, but overall I am pretty happy. Standard def content is passable, but this set really shines with HD content. Upconverted DVD's look pretty good, and HD content looks great.

Anyone who is a power consumption nut like I am might be interested to know that the power consumption with this set using the default settings is in the 186-188 watts powered on, and less than 1 watt in standby. I used a Kill-a-Watt meter for this reading. I have not checked since I started tweaking the TV, but I am sure that those numbers are lower once you get the TV dialed in as the default settings are pretty bright. This is one of the things I like about the RPTV is the power use for the size of screen is very reasonable. You couldn't touch an LCD or Plasma in the 61" range that consumes anywhere near these numbers.

So far we are thrilled with the TV.

Longsnowsm

Dynamic mode is is not what you want to use anyway, movie mode turns off all the extra processing that makes the picture look what I consider horrible when in dynamic mode ie-grainy, shimmery, over saturated and wildly inaccurate colors. Just leave it in movie mode and then go through the video options to adjust everything to your taste.

Thanks for the info on power usage, I knew it must be pretty low since the high power light bulb is eliminated but thats actually less power than my livingroom lights suck when going full blast
post #9185 of 14462
As far as stands go, take a look at NT-C1205 at Best Buy. It has a spot for your center speaker if you need that and it is on sale right now at a great price.
post #9186 of 14462
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Originally Posted by BLACKTOOTHGRIN View Post

Hey Kloc,
In my opinion, the best stand for the 5687SAX is a Planet 3 95110 stand. The stand matches the Piano Black Samsung TV cabinet perfectly.

I bought that exact stand with my TV from Tweeter.

The only problem is, I have the stand and it is assembled - empty. They had no more TVs in stock when I bought it. I have to wait until January 2nd for it to come in.
post #9187 of 14462
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Originally Posted by Lord Vader View Post

I'll check into the firmware issue; it couldn't hurt. On that note, can either of you, or anyone else for that matter, confirm which is the most recent and up to date firmware version for the 6189S?

Vader:
Sorry, I've got an 87, so I haven't been following the 89 tech posts... Good luck.
post #9188 of 14462
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Originally Posted by BLACKTOOTHGRIN View Post

Hey Kloc,
In my opinion, the best stand for the 5687SAX is a Planet 3 95110 stand. The stand matches the Piano Black Samsung TV cabinet perfectly. There are 2 smoked glass shelves and a smoked beveld glass top. Every piece is very sturdy and very well made. It is definately does not have the cheap look & feeling of the matching Samsung stand. I dig this stand son much, I may go purchase another just to keep on hand.

I purchased mine at Fry's Electronics for $300, but the model I got was slightly different. It measured 48" instead of the 58" 95110. So my tv actually overhangs an inch on each side, which is hardly noticeable, but with the 95110 you'l have 4"'s of extra room on each side of your tv. Also mine sits 24" high instead of the 18" high 95110. Both are great, and I don't think you'd be dissapointed with either of them. I atatched a picture below.

Hope this helps,
BLACKTOOTHGRIN

Hey thanks that stand looks really nice I'll have to check it out. Thanks for your help!
post #9189 of 14462
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Originally Posted by alvindd View Post

My stand came from Best Buy, very sturdy and heavy.http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1165609791326

Yeah I looked at that stand yesterday I think it looks pretty nice but my girlfriend doesnt like it for some reason. She's the boss lol.

PS. Is that your TV? I love the speakers in the walls.
post #9190 of 14462
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Originally Posted by Kloc View Post

Yeah I looked at that stand yesterday I think it looks pretty nice but my girlfriend doesnt like it for some reason. She's the boss lol.

PS. Is that your TV? I love the speakers in the walls.

That's my TV room, with the HL-T6189s.
Still working on "hiding" the wires.
Maybe that's what she doen't like, the fact that the stand has an open back.

I have 7 Dayton Kevlar in-wall speakers and a Dayton 12" 150watt subwoofer from partsexpress.com and a Onkyo TX-SR705 receiver, for 7.1 sound.
post #9191 of 14462
Greetings,

Yesterday I hooked-up a Comcast Motorola 6412 HD DVR to my 5689 via HDMI, and noticed something I didn't expect. I get something like either judder / dropped frames when watching rapid pans on 1080i channels. [I have the DVR set to output 1080i]

I get no such problems viewing 720p stations.

[Example: "Smallville" on CW, basketball on TNT, and everything Universal HD had probems last night, but "Ice Age" on Fox didn't.]

I would have expected exactly the opposite, since 1080i should just be pass-through.

I noticed a couple of other people here have mentioned seeing similar issues from their cable boxes, but didn't see a definitive answer.

The fact that the 720 --> 1080 upconversion seems to go smoothly suggests to me that it isn't a problem with the TV or the cable connecting it to the box.

Does anyone know whether this is known to be a problem with the DVR?

Thanks for any insight you can provide. I'd really hate to give up the DVR, but it was very distracting trying to watch the 1080 stations...

[All image-mangling settings on the TV were off. Watching 1080 via direct cable is flawless.]
post #9192 of 14462
I have an HLT5087SAX and I am noticing a lot of mosquito artifacts by the scroll is that from my TV or from ESPN?
post #9193 of 14462
HI all i just bought the Samsung 50" dlp 87 series. I love the picture quality on the HD format but having trouble getting a good picture on regular tv (cable hook up). Any help? Also any help on getting the best out of this tv. Any tweeks i can do in the menu to get the best picture quality out of this thing............
post #9194 of 14462
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Originally Posted by chaddev View Post

HI all i just bought the Samsung 50" dlp 87 series. ... any help on getting the best out of this tv. Any tweeks i can do in the menu to get the best picture quality out of this thing............

Check out these links:

Avical's starter settings for Samsung HL-Txx87/89 DLP
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=866534

Avical starter settings (website):
http://www.avical.com/articles/samsu..._settings.html

Samsung HL-T6187S 61" Best Settings Poll/Survey...
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=903513

Avio
post #9195 of 14462
As for furniture - we got this from pottery barn - very heavy, by the way.

My wife looked at the back, looked at me and said, "You'll need more ventilation." and took a phillips head screwdriver to the back and removed it.

Defective 6187S TV was returned yesterday, delivery of new unit is supposedly Sunday. Here's hoping.
post #9196 of 14462
I got this TV stand for the 6187S from circuit city.
http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Techc...oductDetail.do

At first my wife didn't like the looks of it, but once we got it home and got the TV on it...WOW, it looks really nice! I highly recommend it.
post #9197 of 14462
Our stand for our 6187S was rather pricey compared to other stands but it works great in our living room and it just about fits the TV perfectly. We got it at Fingers with 3-yrs no interest for around $700-$800. We wanted something a little more like a piece of furniture to match what we already have rather than just a basic glass/metal stand for the TV. But we did not want something TOO big. Pictures are not that great but you get the idea.
LL
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post #9198 of 14462
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Originally Posted by chaddev View Post

HI all i just bought the Samsung 50" dlp 87 series. I love the picture quality on the HD format but having trouble getting a good picture on regular tv (cable hook up). Any help? Also any help on getting the best out of this tv. Any tweeks i can do in the menu to get the best picture quality out of this thing............

Two assumptions. 1) You are coming from a standard-def TV and 2) the cable you are referring to is analog straight into the 5087s.

Regular, analog cable will look "crappy" on a big screen HDTV. Your cable provider is sending out channels in 480i and your nice, big TV is showing you all the imperfections. Try running the QAM search and see what channels your cable provider sends un-encrypted. Those should look a bit better (even if they're not HD).

Time to buck up and pay for all those nice HD channels now.
post #9199 of 14462
Long story short -

My first 6187S was scratched so bad on delivery it had to be a previous return, even though it was sold to me as new...The second 6187S had bad geometry which I felt was unacceptable. The delivery date was missed on a third replacement (which I was never called about) so I wasted an afternoon because of the no-show. That retailer was "fired!" and I decided to try a different route.

I then decided to go through a higher-end retailer for the 6189S. It was just delivered a few hours ago. Geometry is the worst I have seen, both vertical (bowing on SD content) and horizontal (example: HD ESPN lower ticker). The grid jpeg image is the worst I have seen out of 3 sets. The new retailer, knowing my previous issues, is telling me this is as good as it gets.

I just sold my HLN 56" (which I had for 4 wonderful years) to a friend, so it is quite the bummer on the whole HLT saga to date...

My wife thinks I am being too picky...

post #9200 of 14462
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Originally Posted by Sir Lagzalot View Post

Now my HL-T5087S has the buzzing and the Halo just haven't noticed it until today. I purchased it on November 4th so to late to return it; but don't really want a repaired set I want a new one, is it to much to ask to have it replaced as opposed to repaired, or am I SOL.

Don't think you'll be able to get a replacement. On the buzzing, though, after having been through 3 (!) -87S TVs, I've concluded it's not so much the TV that's buzzing, it's just that it's picking up the noise from another component though the powerline. Try unplugging everything else from the outlet/powerstrip and seeing if you still get the noise.
post #9201 of 14462
Is there a way I can clean the mirrors on a 5087SAX set, I get noise on dark scenes that flicker.
post #9202 of 14462
LordBreetai, the problem is with the Motorola box, not the TV. I have the same box and the same problem with some channels.
post #9203 of 14462
First of all, let me thank all of you for putting such detailed information on this thread. Special thanks to MLXXXp for posting the test images and his repair experience.

Unfortunately things have not gone smoothly for our TV which has the halo problem (but nothing else). My experience with Samsung service has been terrible. Now I have to decide whether to exchange this set for another one (from crutchfield.com, excellent customer service).

The manufacture date of my set is 9/30. Does anyone know if the problem was fixed for sets manufactured after a certain date?

Read about my experience at this amazon review

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I bought this TV on 11/30. It has a severe case of the halo effect described in the "Consumer Alert" above. Although I wanted to like the TV and keep it, I have to give it the lowest rating because of the halo problem and the terrible service to fix the problem. The TV is fine, but the halo completely ruins it for me -- it shows up as a blue/purple circular haze in the lower middle screen in a good number of high contrast scenes (extreme example: Harry Potter 5, chapter 2 - when Nymphadora makes her entry holding a point source light into Harry's dark room).

My experience with 3 Samsung service companies in the DC area has been horrible. The first two companies Samsung customer service scheduled for me never showed up and never returned calls. People from the 3rd one did show up but appeared completely clueless about the problem. By now I have this quite well researched -- I showed them various movie frames where the halo crops up, and I also showed them test images from avsforum (search for posts by MLXXXp on Samsung LED rear projector owners thread). But they wanted to take the TV away for tests and then decide what to do about it. When I showed them the consumer alert on this site they said they know nothing about that problem.

I also talked to a supervisor at Samsung customer service. She refused to assign another service company or have them perform the service at my home even when I suggested that I may have to return the TV. I pointed the alert to her as well, to which she said that Samsung can not be responsible for any alert that amazon puts on it's site.

Be prepared to potentially go through all this if you are buying it. Mine is going back.
post #9204 of 14462
I hope the Motorola 3416 doesn't have that problem. I just got it and my TV is on the way so I'll just have to wait and see.
post #9205 of 14462
I have a playstation 3 that has an hdmi 1.3 output. Now that I am thinking of returning my 6187, should I go for a TV with hdmi 1.3? What difference does it make in picture quality, and do you think it is worth the extra cost?
post #9206 of 14462
Doesn't your 6187 have HDMI 1.3 capability? I have a 6189S and that one does.
post #9207 of 14462
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Originally Posted by Lord Vader View Post

Doesn't your 6187 have HDMI 1.3 capability? I have a 6189S and that one does.

The 6187S offers HDMI 1.2a.
post #9208 of 14462
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Originally Posted by mi2k View Post

I have a playstation 3 that has an hdmi 1.3 output. Now that I am thinking of returning my 6187, should I go for a TV with hdmi 1.3? What difference does it make in picture quality, and do you think it is worth the extra cost?

Going to HDMI 1.3a will support xxYCC (deep color) and lossless audio formats Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio. Really the only benefit you would observe is slightly better color range and contast when going from millions (24 bit) to billions (30 bit) of colors from a suitable DVD player. Up to you.
post #9209 of 14462
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Originally Posted by alvindd View Post

Left side of my 6189 is slightly higher than the right..
I think that the only fix is to "tilt the screen".
This involves taking off the back cover and adjusting the DMD board accordingly using a Crosshatch Pattern.
I have not done this myself, I read about it in the Samsung HL-T6169S tecnichians manual.
I'm hoping that when I have the TV professionally calibrated, they can do that for me also.

I think that might be the best way to go. I just returned my second set today, and am now on the third. Every single one has a geometry problem to a certain degree. Although, I HAVE seen some sets on this thread with perfect geometry. So I guess it's just going to come down to how much trouble you are willing to go through to find one that's perferct. For me, i think I'm done unless something major happens.
post #9210 of 14462
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Originally Posted by trance View Post

Long story short -

My first 6187S was scratched so bad on delivery it had to be a previous return, even though it was sold to me as new...The second 6187S had bad geometry which I felt was unacceptable. The delivery date was missed on a third replacement (which I was never called about) so I wasted an afternoon because of the no-show. That retailer was "fired!" and I decided to try a different route.

I then decided to go through a higher-end retailer for the 6189S. It was just delivered a few hours ago. Geometry is the worst I have seen, both vertical (bowing on SD content) and horizontal (example: HD ESPN lower ticker). The grid jpeg image is the worst I have seen out of 3 sets. The new retailer, knowing my previous issues, is telling me this is as good as it gets.

I just sold my HLN 56" (which I had for 4 wonderful years) to a friend, so it is quite the bummer on the whole HLT saga to date...

My wife thinks I am being too picky...


Ha ha...I hear ya. Just tell her picky lead to perfection!
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