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post #121 of 6043
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Originally Posted by steviec View Post

This player reminds me alot like others(panasonic & sammy 1000) in the fact that it has 444 color space,wont pass blacker than black and whiter than white picture info right out of the gate so needs a firmware update.
However, running it thru my dvdo vp50 and using rgb color space output i can get btb and wtw and the picture is fantastic and better than what i was getting from my panny dmp-bd10.Much more detailed.
Must be the hqv conversion from 1080p to 1080i is better than the panny.Im keeping it!

Steve,

Does this player clip over component?
post #122 of 6043
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Originally Posted by Murilo View Post

According to a post in the HDDVD forum someone posted said there neighbor brought theres over and compared it to the xa2 and sony ps3. I wont start an argument over what he said about it compared to xa2 upconversion but he did say they compared it to the ps3 for blue ray and noticed no difference.

Someone claimed his post was a lie but I believe he posted where his neighbor purchased it, and someone else called and the store did indeed have it.

It just seems conflicting we get one report like this saying its night and day difference even for BR titles, and another saying no difference.


I started the post. The PQ between the PS3 and Sammy were equal. The upconversion of the XA2 was slightly better. The Sammy exhibited more grain. The SQ of SD DVD were also equal.
post #123 of 6043
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Originally Posted by hv9200 View Post

Why would you do that? I dont see any benefit of this player over the PS3 at this point

I have a PS3 and have considered buying this player just to have full IR support with my Color (TSU 7000) Pronto. I hate having to use two remotes. The PS3 would be a perfect Bluray player if sony would have incorporated IR into the unit.
post #124 of 6043
blackssr,

Did you calibrate each player with Avia or DVE when testing the upscaling abilities for SD DVD?
post #125 of 6043
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Originally Posted by DavidHir View Post

blackssr,

Did you calibrate each player with Avia or DVE when testing the upscaling abilities for SD DVD?

Yes, we used DVE for contrast, color, brightness, etc.(SD version only).Both units were run through a Denon 4806CI to a Sammy 57" LCD via HDMI. The TV has 4 settings for memory when dealing with calibration. For the XA2 we left the settings where I had them on Custom. I had calibrated the XA2 about 8 weeks ago when I purchased the player. The PS3 was calibrated on the Vivid setting.The Sammy was calibrated on the Movie setting which we customized when calibrating. So in effect each "setting" was calibrated to the respective player, even though all three were switched through the Denon. The Denon only switches HDMI with no post processing at all.I am no expert here I just know what I saw and heard. The XA2 has a better SD DVD upscaled picture with all things kept as equal as possible based on what I had to work with !
post #126 of 6043
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Originally Posted by patrick99 View Post

I just got an e-mail from CC that mine has shipped. Supposed to arrive tomorrow.

Arrived this morning.
post #127 of 6043
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Originally Posted by muellerfilm View Post

On a side note we produced a disk with DVDIt PRO authoring software on a different blu ray burner and the results were the same. That DVDit PRO software gives you alot bang for the buck.
So there you go real people looking at what they saw and drawing real unbiased opinions.

Well that's all for now (going on holiday) and see all of you at NAB later this month

I have been unable to play a BDMV disc made in DVDit Pro HD on the Samsung 1200 - did you do anything special to be able play the disc? I have played the same disc on the Sony BDPS-1 (with firmware 1.55), Pioneer, Panasonic and Power DVD Ultra on my computer with no problems.
post #128 of 6043
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Originally Posted by muellerfilm View Post

Hello there, give me a break I was not doing another comparison with this Second Samsung player I was just relating my experience when watching a Blu Ray disk at home.

I did other comparison this morning at my office with The Tailor in Panama Blu Ray disk In the BDP1200 and the BDPS1 This movie has soft look to it. Looks like they transferred it off the internegative instead of the interpositive so I wanted to see how it compared to the Sony BDPS1. Many seem to point out that there is no benefit from having the 24P setting turned on so for this side-by-side comparison it was turned off. The sharpness setting on the Samsung was also turned off. Both units using HDMI and both set to 1080P. The test was conducted 14x14 room that has no windows and the lights in the room were turned off. Two Samsung 5296 Panels were put side by side and both panels have been calibrated the same. I started the Tailor in Panama Disks in both players and let them run. Because I did my own comparison on I what I thought. This time I let my employee's rate, which one they liked better. These people make for good testers as we are post production facility and many work with color correcting timing ECT. I covered up the players so no one knew which one was Sony or Samsung. Out of the fifteen people that came through to look at the players twelve of the fifteen liked the Samsung BDP1200 better. I did the same test with Into the Blue Blu Ray disk and out of fifteen people fourteen preferred the Samsung BDP1200. I did one last test with ten people looking at BD-R BDMV. This disk was Hi Def 24P footage shot on a Sony F900. This disk was made on Sonys BLU Print software at the highest quality settings. All ten people peferred the Samsung. This what I wrote about a few days ago as the night and day difference. Comments on the BD-R fototage ranged from pixelation and noise very noticable on the Sony BDPS1 to not looking as sharp as the camera would pan or the actors moved around. You just would not see any of this with the Samsung BDP1200 the images looked great no noise or pixelation, ect. On a side note we produced a disk with DVDIt PRO authoring software on a different blu ray burner and the results were the same. That DVDit PRO software gives you alot bang for the buck.
So there you go real people looking at what they saw and drawing real unbiased opinions.

Well that's all for now (going on holiday) and see all of you at NAB later this month

WoW! Thanks for going to all that trouble and reporting - we don't need to take sides but such a comparison and to that extent is pretty rare on this forum. You certainly went the extra mile to objectively prove your point. Mine is on order to cross compare with my HD DVD and expand my library choices. However, I'm not actually looking to see either lose - my HD Cup is more than half full owning both. Thanks again!
post #129 of 6043
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Originally Posted by troutpond View Post

I bought the Samsung BD-P1200 for $633.00 from Dell direct. My confirmation e-mail said delivery before 4/18/07


Looks like they took it off the Dell Site
post #130 of 6043
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Originally Posted by johnnyd1 View Post

Looks like they took it off the Dell Site


I called Dell this morning. They've sold out of the BD-P1200, but expect to get more by May 4.
post #131 of 6043
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Originally Posted by LRS3 View Post

I called Dell this morning. They've sold out of the BD-P1200, but expect to get more by May 4.

Wonder how many they had to sell ?
I'll post when mine arrives and I check it out.
post #132 of 6043
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Originally Posted by patrick99 View Post

Arrived this morning.

Set it up last night and watched parts of Flyboys and The Prestige. It's too early to report on results. I want to try to do a comparison with the prior model, which is what I have been using.
post #133 of 6043
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Originally Posted by johnnyd1 View Post

Wonder how many they had to sell ?
I'll post when mine arrives and I check it out.


I was told they had 290 units available yesterday and sold them all by 10 a.m. Don't know if this is true, but that's what I was told.
post #134 of 6043
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Originally Posted by johnnyd1 View Post

Wonder how many they had to sell ?
I'll post when mine arrives and I check it out.

Please, let us know how the PQ and AQ are regarding Bluray movies, but also, about the PQ of upconverted SD-DVD's.

I may buy this along with the Toshiba XA2 and be format neutral, if the upconversion is as good as the Toshiba.
post #135 of 6043
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Originally Posted by patrick99 View Post

Set it up last night and watched parts of Flyboys and The Prestige. It's too early to report on results. I want to try to do a comparison with the prior model, which is what I have been using.


Also, if, and when you get a chance, please let us know how the upconversion is on this player with SD-DVD's.

Thanks!
post #136 of 6043
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Originally Posted by elove View Post

Also, if, and when you get a chance, please let us know how the upconversion is on this player with SD-DVD's.

Thanks!

I will do that. I didn't think to play any SD dvds last night.
post #137 of 6043
I was one of those who ordered from Dell yesterday and got order confirmation. However, it said it is expected to be shipped by April 19th. Wonder why the delay if in fact they had units on hand and in stock. This will be my first foray into high def dvd and I bought this unit based on the user reports in this thread. I've been lurking on the Blu ray forum for a while trying to decide which way to go. For a while I thought the LG might be the way to go but not after all of the user glitches that have been reported. I finally decided that I would start with Blu ray (and the Samsung 1200) and decide in the future if I need to add HD DVD.

I'm not a big movie collector so most of my viewing will be rentals. I don't do Netflix or Blockbuster via mail so I checked the two closest Blockbuster stores near me and neither carry Blu Ray titles. Anyone out there successfully renting BD titles from a B&M store?
Mark
post #138 of 6043
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Originally Posted by elove View Post

Also, if, and when you get a chance, please let us know how the upconversion is on this player with SD-DVD's.
Thanks!

The other night I watched parts of The Fifth Element (ultimate edition DVD) upconverted to 1080i and displayed via the Sony VPL-HS20 LCD projector. I was very pleased with the video quality. Extremely watchable. Nice, saturated colors, and very little softness with the image. If only all DVDs looked this good.

In other news, I got the Monoprice component video switcher hooked up last night. But I'm using it to switch 5.1 analog audio sources. I now have two 5.1 analog audio sources (Denon DVD-3910, Samsung BD-P1200) and they go thru the switcher and then into the single 5.1 input on my Pioneer VSX-49TX receiver. This all works well - but the switcher does have 2 problems: First, it does inject a little bit of noise into the audio path. If I pause the DVD or Blu-Ray player - and turn the volume way up - I can hear a bit of hiss - and a very low-level 60 Hz hum. The other problem is that there is a bit of crosstalk across the 4 inputs of the Monoprice switcher. I can be playing an SACD on my Denon player, and switch to different input on the Monoprice switcher - and still hear, very faintly, the program material coming from the other input. This will not be a problem if I do not play material thru the DVD player and Blu-Ray player at the same time.

After a little more evaluation, I may decide just to go back to using only the Denon 5.1 analog audio out - and just use optical out on the Samsung for all Blu-Ray audio. I just couldn't justify buying the much more expensive Zektor CVS4 to do this switching - which uses relays for all switching and is totally passive - for a receiver that I'm going to replace in about a year. After I replace the receiver, the switcher will be obsolete because I will pass all Blu-Ray audio via HDMI.
post #139 of 6043
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Anyone out there successfully renting BD titles from a B&M store?

Yes, I'm Southern California (O.C.), and I've been renting from a local Blockbuster. However, their selection is very limited. But they do try to carry all the newest titles as they are released.
post #140 of 6043
I just noticed that the 1200 is now on Ebay for a buy-it-now price of $1,099.00. Hell of a deal, plus the added security of buying from an Ebay seller with 5 transactions. Sweet!
post #141 of 6043
Perhaps I missed it, but has anyone yet confirmed whether the Samsung BD-P1200 will output DVDs in 1080p24 mode?

I would guess not, since the 1080p24 output on Blu-ray disks is apparently straight from the decoder (and not obtained with IVTC on 1080i60 output), but I just want to be sure.
post #142 of 6043
This is from post #117 in this thread by Kris Deering:

"Just talked with my contact at Silicon Optix. The 1200 outputs 24p natively. The Reon is still there for NR and sharpness, but it does not touch the 24p signal. So if you set this player to 1080p24, you are getting it right off the disc.

I will look into picking one up for testing when I get back home. I am on travel right now on the east coast until the 14th.

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post #143 of 6043
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Originally Posted by bfdtv View Post

Perhaps I missed it, but has anyone yet confirmed whether the Samsung BD-P1200 will output DVDs in 1080p24 mode?

I would guess not, since the 1080p24 output on Blu-ray disks is apparently straight from the decoder (and not obtained with IVTC on 1080i60 output), but I just want to be sure.

The manual clearly says so, but I have not tried to confirm that on mine yet.
post #144 of 6043
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Originally Posted by bfdtv View Post

Perhaps I missed it, but has anyone yet confirmed whether the Samsung BD-P1200 will output DVDs in 1080p24 mode?

I would guess not, since the 1080p24 output on Blu-ray disks is apparently straight from the decoder (and not obtained with IVTC on 1080i60 output), but I just want to be sure.

From muellerfilm, I took this to mean the 1200 outputs DVDs in 1080p60, despite having 1080p24 output selected in the menu:

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Originally Posted by muellerfilm View Post

When playing back a dvd the info button says 1920x1080P@60HZ. Johnny I think the 5296 is really showing 1920x1080P @ 24Hz.

It shouldn't be difficult for someone else to verify if their display has an option to show the input format.
post #145 of 6043
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Originally Posted by muellerfilm View Post

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Well, it's tough to see once you have already made your purchase. The person he says is "very wrong" is one of the world's authorities. One would do well to read his website, then read it again.


Well, I do not who he is but if he is as you say is one of the world's authorities. But to come left field and disagree the the Samsung BDP1200 could not be better than the Sony BDPS1 without testing it first.Well, that just does not sound right. You can do all the scientific paper testing on paper you want. Its the real world testing that matters and that is what I did. I own a post production house here in Hollywood Ca. And while I may be no expert in the scientific paper testing of these products or do I claim to be. I do how to do real world testing. I buy the products and test them out.

Mark

I am surprised you don't know who he is. Deering's site and reviews have been quoted in the press consistently over many years now. It is probably the ulitmate authority on dvd testing. Most senior members on this forum value his reviews highly. What you saying is that with your setup, the Sammy looks better than Sony. Fine. It your subjective review and it is what it is. I'd wait for Deering's and other official reviews.
post #146 of 6043
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Originally Posted by bfdtv View Post

Perhaps I missed it, but has anyone yet confirmed whether the Samsung BD-P1200 will output DVDs in 1080p24 mode?

I would guess not, since the 1080p24 output on Blu-ray disks is apparently straight from the decoder (and not obtained with IVTC on 1080i60 output), but I just want to be sure.

1080p24 output with DVD is not supported. Kris' reference to 1080p24 was to its ability to natively display BD's 1080p24.

I had posted a link to the owner's manual here sometime back that listed the supported resolutions/frame rates.

Link to the BD-P1200's manual (see pg. 42)

I hope this helps.
post #147 of 6043
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Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post

Just talked with my contact at Silicon Optix. The 1200 outputs 24p natively. The Reon is still there for NR and sharpness, but it does not touch the 24p signal. So if you set this player to 1080p24, you are getting it right off the disc.

I will look into picking one up for testing when I get back home. I am on travel right now on the east coast until the 14th.

Thanks Kris for taking the time to verify this while on vacation. Have fun and we look forward to the results of your Benchmark testing.
post #148 of 6043
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Originally Posted by absolutic View Post

I am surprised you don't know who he is. Deering's site and reviews have been quoted in the press consistently over many years now. It is probably the ulitmate authority on dvd testing. Most senior members on this forum value his reviews highly. What you saying is that with your setup, the Sammy looks better than Sony. Fine. It your subjective review and it is what it is. I'd wait for Deering's and other official reviews.

For years I have based my DVD player purchases on how well they've performed on the Benchmark testing.
post #149 of 6043
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Originally Posted by Kroenen View Post

1080p24 output with DVD is not supported. Kris' reference to 1080p24 was to its ability to natively display BD's 1080p24.

Link to the BD-P1200's manual (see pg. 42)

Thanks.
post #150 of 6043
I picked up this player the other day a Circuit City and I wanted to pass on my findings on the audio side. This is the first Blu-ray player I have used and given that my display only does 1080i I'll let others do a more in depth analysis on the video. I will say that IMHO the picture qualtiy is excellent. In regards to the audio I wanted to test the 5.1 analog outputs since many have commented on problems with base reproduction when going this route.

Essentially I played the DTS 5.1 audio test tracks from Digital Video essentials first through the optical output as bitstream and then through the analog outputs as LPCM and measured the difference in level with a radio shack sound level meter. My receiver by the way is a Marantz SR7000, any signal sent through the analog inputs just gets volume adjustment. Since it doesn't have HDMI the analog outputs on the Samsung are my only way to access the lossless tracks. I use the Samsung for the base managment. What I found was that the test signal when converted to LPCM by the player and sent through the analog outputs was about 6db lower when compared to sending it as bitstream to the reciever via the optical connection. This measurement was for the 5 main speakers. The Subwoofer signal was an additional 10db lower than that (so 16db lower overall for the subwoofer channel, -6db for 5 mains). If I recall correctly the subwoofer signal should typically be 10db higher than the mains. I would guess that it is the responsibility of the receiver which boosts the signal during processing when it is received as bitstream. Since the signal recieved through the analog inputs get no processing that explains the 10db drop on the subwoofer. I can't explain why the overall volume is an additional -6db.

My solution was when listening to the lossless LPCM tracks over analog, I used my SMS-1 to boost the subwoofer level by 10db, and then I merely boosted the system volume by an additional 6db. The result is the overall volume and subwoofer balance of the lossless LPCM is pretty close to the straight Dolby Digital bitstream.

Not completely scientific but I watched both Casino Royale, and The Prestige and the lossless tracks were excellent.
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